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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 11:21:39 GMT
Our fans don't help is to lose any more than helping us to win. The excuse is pathetic. The poor little things need to man up or ship out. Hey, boycott the game, see if we play amazing?! So why are we there then? Why do we bother? Why are fans known as the 12th man? Why are some home grounds like a fortress? Why is home advantage an advantage? It's not an excuse for losing a game as such, but if you think your own fans abusing their own team on a seemingly regular basis is conducive to improving the performance of players clearly low on confidence then maybe boycotting a game is the best option for you. Il get back to you.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 18:28:42 GMT
Our fans don't help is to lose any more than helping us to win. The excuse is pathetic. The poor little things need to man up or ship out. Hey, boycott the game, see if we play amazing?! So why are we there then? Why do we bother? Why are fans known as the 12th man? Why are some home grounds like a fortress? Why is home advantage an advantage? It's not an excuse for losing a game as such, but if you think your own fans abusing their own team on a seemingly regular basis is conducive to improving the performance of players clearly low on confidence then maybe boycotting a game is the best option for you. If you don't mind Il question your questions. Why do we bother? Habit, feeling of loyalty, mates or family go? 12th man. When have our fans ever been a 12th man? We lose most games in front of bumper crowds. Most referees side with the away side at the Mem. When away, especially this year, we outnumber and outsing the home support but our team still fail! When has the Mem ever been a fortress? Even our promotion year we were an average mid table side until a fortunate last gasp run. We are just as likely to get beat by Alfreton at home as we are to lose against Arsenal in the cup. We show teams far too much respect at home, we do t kick them..a la Newport over there...We don't dominate possession, we don't embrace the crowd. We are a million miles off making a fortress out of our home ground. As above, while there is a statistical home advantage figure, it doesn't seem to apply to us. Teams come to us for a point at least whilst we go away for a point at most.(how it seems and backed up by posters yesterday) I would go as far as to say that if we played all our games at home, we would still fall short.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 18:39:32 GMT
So why are we there then? Why do we bother? Why are fans known as the 12th man? Why are some home grounds like a fortress? Why is home advantage an advantage? It's not an excuse for losing a game as such, but if you think your own fans abusing their own team on a seemingly regular basis is conducive to improving the performance of players clearly low on confidence then maybe boycotting a game is the best option for you. If you don't mind Il question your questions. Why do we bother? Habit, feeling of loyalty, mates or family go? 12th man. When have our fans ever been a 12th man? We lose most games in front of bumper crowds. Most referees side with the away side at the Mem. When away, especially this year, we outnumber and outsing the home support but our team still fail! When has the Mem ever been a fortress? Even our promotion year we were an average mid table side until a fortunate last gasp run. We are just as likely to get beat by Alfreton at home as we are to lose against Arsenal in the cup. We show teams far too much respect at home, we do t kick them..a la Newport over there...We don't dominate possession, we don't embrace the crowd. We are a million miles off making a fortress out of our home ground. As above, while there is a statistical home advantage figure, it doesn't seem to apply to us. Teams come to us for a point at least whilst we go away for a point at most.(how it seems and backed up by posters yesterday) I would go as far as to say that if we played all our games at home, we would still fall short. So, you proved the OP right then. You acknowledge all my points apply to other teams, not ours The only difference being us. It's been a long time since our fans were the 12th man. And yet we could be, starting Tuesday. The point is, it's not the size of the crowd supporting, it's the size of the support in the crowd that matters. And we just don't. We moan, and sigh and Jeer and boo. We abuse our own players now ffs. So we are to blame in some way. And it wasn't always so. People hated coming to Twerton. Even under Ollie we were a force at home and the atmosphere at the mem wasn't like it is now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 18:49:57 GMT
If you don't mind Il question your questions. Why do we bother? Habit, feeling of loyalty, mates or family go? 12th man. When have our fans ever been a 12th man? We lose most games in front of bumper crowds. Most referees side with the away side at the Mem. When away, especially this year, we outnumber and outsing the home support but our team still fail! When has the Mem ever been a fortress? Even our promotion year we were an average mid table side until a fortunate last gasp run. We are just as likely to get beat by Alfreton at home as we are to lose against Arsenal in the cup. We show teams far too much respect at home, we do t kick them..a la Newport over there...We don't dominate possession, we don't embrace the crowd. We are a million miles off making a fortress out of our home ground. As above, while there is a statistical home advantage figure, it doesn't seem to apply to us. Teams come to us for a point at least whilst we go away for a point at most.(how it seems and backed up by posters yesterday) I would go as far as to say that if we played all our games at home, we would still fall short. So, you proved the OP right then. You acknowledge all my points apply to other teams, not ours The only difference being us. It's been a long time since our fans were the 12th man. And yet we could be, starting Tuesday. The point is, it's not the size of the crowd supporting, it's the size of the support in the crowd that matters. And we just don't. We moan, and sigh and Jeer and boo. We abuse our own players now ffs. So we are to blame in some way. And it wasn't always so. People hated coming to Twerton. Even under Ollie we were a force at home and the atmosphere at the mem wasn't like it is now. We must have crossed wires. Your questions were to my post that I find the fan thing an excuse. I believe that the points you raise don't apply to us, for some reason. We have little home advantage, no 12th man etc and it makes no odds to us in front of a vociferous crowd or a subdued one. Also this applies for a long time. It is only recently that people are speaking about fans abusing players but we have been diabolical for 5 years or more!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 18:53:25 GMT
So, you proved the OP right then. You acknowledge all my points apply to other teams, not ours The only difference being us. It's been a long time since our fans were the 12th man. And yet we could be, starting Tuesday. The point is, it's not the size of the crowd supporting, it's the size of the support in the crowd that matters. And we just don't. We moan, and sigh and Jeer and boo. We abuse our own players now ffs. So we are to blame in some way. And it wasn't always so. People hated coming to Twerton. Even under Ollie we were a force at home and the atmosphere at the mem wasn't like it is now. We must have crossed wires. Your questions were to my post that I find the fan thing an excuse. I believe that the points you raise don't apply to us, for some reason. We have little home advantage, no 12th man etc and it makes no odds to us in front of a vociferous crowd or a subdued one. Also this applies for a long time. It is only recently that people are speaking about fans abusing players but we have been diabolical for 5 years or more! No, my point is that it is more than an excuse, it's a fact. The reason the points I raise don't seem to apply to us may be an indication that we're just that a supportive bunch of fans anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 19:42:24 GMT
We must have crossed wires. Your questions were to my post that I find the fan thing an excuse. I believe that the points you raise don't apply to us, for some reason. We have little home advantage, no 12th man etc and it makes no odds to us in front of a vociferous crowd or a subdued one. Also this applies for a long time. It is only recently that people are speaking about fans abusing players but we have been diabolical for 5 years or more! No, my point is that it is more than an excuse, it's a fact. The reason the points I raise don't seem to apply to us may be an indication that we're just that a supportive bunch of fans anymore. Ok. The OP believes the fans have an influence on the team. I don't.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 20:02:36 GMT
May as well give up then.
To be honest, this could well be my last season actively supporting Rovers.
Ill end up finding something else to with my lad on a Saturday.
Bath rugby are nearer to home.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 20:07:30 GMT
May as well give up then. To be honest, this could well be my last season actively supporting Rovers. Ill end up finding something else to with my lad on a Saturday. Bath rugby are nearer to home. People need to make their own decisions based upon their own reasoning. I went to the opener and Barnet and fgr. I have decided not to return but that's my own decision and I haven't bleated about it. Justification for going is difficult.
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Post by dragonfly on Sept 7, 2014 20:53:21 GMT
Why do so many Gas travel to away games when it is almost a given that they will be let down badly and made to feel miserable. Also they swell the coffers of the home sides. It would seem that it gives no advantage whatsoever and you would be better off spending your money doing something much more enjoyable. The Players say it makes a difference but there is no evidence to support this. Perhaps we would get heavily thrashed without the Fans presence. If no one went for a few away games and we started to win would you then resume or stay away ? Even worse what if the similar happened at home games e.g. more wins than usual and by bigger margins - would supporters just give the Club their admission fee and stay away ? This could be the way to gaining promotion. Higgs would be having nocturnal emissions if any of the above were true.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 21:06:37 GMT
The football match itself is a small portion of what I get from traveling away. I enjoy the breakfast, the travel, the refreshments and meeting other fans. The match is a nuisance although it's the reason I travel. Like you said, it almost always an anti climax.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2014 21:38:31 GMT
one thing that is certain beyond all doubt is that booing and directing vile and foul mouthed abuse at our own players in no way helps the team.
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Post by 1883 on Sept 7, 2014 23:15:19 GMT
Just to answer a couple of points as OP;
I was standing on the terraces behind the Goal, but was to the left of the Goal (looking towards the pitch), most abuse from the start coming from some Blokes in the seperate bit of Terracing to the far left behind the goal towards the corner flag.
With regards to Altrincham, I didnt go but a mate posted this when he got back "noticed at altrincham that there seems to be an edge in our away support which never use to be there" so no more detail, but doesnt sound great does it.
Anyone who beleives the Crowd dont have an impact on the team is denying one of the great points about football. When a Crwod gets completely behind a team it can really raise them, and it feels good!
Up The Gas!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2014 0:29:39 GMT
Just to answer a couple of points as OP; I was standing on the terraces behind the Goal, but was to the left of the Goal (looking towards the pitch), most abuse from the start coming from some Blokes in the seperate bit of Terracing to the far left behind the goal towards the corner flag. With regards to Altrincham, I didnt go but a mate posted this when he got back "noticed at altrincham that there seems to be an edge in our away support which never use to be there" so no more detail, but doesnt sound great does it. Anyone who beleives the Crowd dont have an impact on the team is denying one of the great points about football. When a Crwod gets completely behind a team it can really raise them, and it feels good! Up The Gas!! great post and spot on
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Sept 8, 2014 6:01:08 GMT
Problem is the away following know full well that we are going to turn in a rubbish performance so they/we are already on a downer before a ball's been kicked. Look at the difference at FGR when it appears we might actually be playing for more than a point.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2014 9:46:13 GMT
I used to believe that the crowd had an influence on the team. Now I don't. It is hit or miss how we play and our crowd is reactive rather than proactive anyway. If anyone thinks our players are responsive or embrace our crowds energy I am sorry but you live in cuckoo land. Some clubs do have a relationship between fans and players, but not many.
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Post by vanaramaman on Sept 8, 2014 10:58:05 GMT
the fans have not been any different in the last 40 years I went with a coach load of fans to a mid week away match at Northampton we protested in there stand after the match we were division 3 they were 4th division in the late 70s I think, at eastville if were were winning we cheered the team if we were losing you never, but this situation is worse because every time we think we turn a corner or we see a bit of light at the end of a long hard tunnel on or off the pitch we suffer another set back people are getting sick of it you can blame the fans players and the board they only difference is we pay our hard earned money to do what we do everyone else creams off the pot and are not earning there money.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Sept 8, 2014 14:56:47 GMT
I used to believe that the crowd had an influence on the team. Now I don't. It is hit or miss how we play and our crowd is reactive rather than proactive anyway. If anyone thinks our players are responsive or embrace our crowds energy I am sorry but you live in cuckoo land. Some clubs do have a relationship between fans and players, but not many. Unfortunately that is the boards fault. There's been a them and us culture for years and it's now spilled over onto the players too.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2014 15:05:30 GMT
May as well give up then. To be honest, this could well be my last season actively supporting Rovers. Ill end up finding something else to with my lad on a Saturday. Bath rugby are nearer to home. speaks volumes for how bad things have become if you'd actually prefer to watch rugby.... I've actually been looking at Bristol manor farms fixtures so I can maybe experience watching football that doesn't make me depressed....
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Post by dmacca65 on Sept 8, 2014 15:49:19 GMT
May as well give up then. To be honest, this could well be my last season actively supporting Rovers. Ill end up finding something else to with my lad on a Saturday. Bath rugby are nearer to home. speaks volumes for how bad things have become if you'd actually prefer to watch rugby.... I've actually been looking at Bristol manor farms fixtures so I can maybe experience watching football that doesn't make me depressed.... Watched them on Saturday Gregs against Gillingham.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2014 16:09:05 GMT
Mate of mine (not a football guy) said his son wanted to go to a match. I said oh cool where you taking him? He said city. I was gonna protest but had nothing.
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