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Post by empirebaypete on Sept 11, 2014 12:29:35 GMT
IF I was this guy I would go public, ring the Evening Post and give his side of the story. I don't think a punch connected from looking at that, and I'm not sure it was intended either. It just looks like a lot of gesticulating. There are two problems here. In this day and age it is ridiculous that a. the fans are so close to the goal and b. there are no stewards in front of the fans. It just shows this league isn't ready for clubs the size of Bristol Rovers. I should think this bloke is now feeling highly embarrassed about his actions. He should offer apologies to the Braintree players, their club, the player in question and Bristol Rovers, explain he got wrapped up in the passion of the situation and promise never to do something similar again. Better still, he should ensure he stands somewhere where he cannot get involved in similar incidents again. If he doesn't do that the situation will be taken out of his hands, he WILL get identified soon enough and banned without getting to put his side of the story. I suspect there is a slight over-reaction here. Jeez, Alan Pardew headbutted another player through something much less. Didn't see him get a life ban. Bollocks, obviously you didn't hear the Rovers supporter phone Radio Bristol after the game, who said that this bloke was being a complete Dickhead as soon as he entered the ground. Shouting, swearing and carrying on. No stewards is not an excuse. What about the FA cup. Oh you can't play there, because in this day and age..... blah blah blah. If he phoned the Evening post to give his side of the story it would probably start with how he had six pints before the game and couldn't remember anything after that. f**k me, I've been to smaller grounds than that and I didn't have to go berserk just because there were no stewards. I watched a pretty crap video of it the other day, and it looked to me like there was intent. From memory he was not stood behind the goal, and only moved there after the penalty was given. The bloke is a cock. The sooner this idiot is named and banned the better. Same goes for the likes of the so called fans who attended FGR and abused a female steward. With many people now having smartphones there should be more videos taken of these dickheads and getting them banned. buckripper, you're in the media game. Why not contact Christian McClean. He was there Saturday. Apparently he moved in to quieten things down. See what he's got to say. I wish people would stop trying to defend this arsehole. Maybe those defending him should have a whip round and buy him a season ticket down the sh**.
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Post by buckrippers on Sept 11, 2014 12:42:25 GMT
IF I was this guy I would go public, ring the Evening Post and give his side of the story. I don't think a punch connected from looking at that, and I'm not sure it was intended either. It just looks like a lot of gesticulating. There are two problems here. In this day and age it is ridiculous that a. the fans are so close to the goal and b. there are no stewards in front of the fans. It just shows this league isn't ready for clubs the size of Bristol Rovers. I should think this bloke is now feeling highly embarrassed about his actions. He should offer apologies to the Braintree players, their club, the player in question and Bristol Rovers, explain he got wrapped up in the passion of the situation and promise never to do something similar again. Better still, he should ensure he stands somewhere where he cannot get involved in similar incidents again. If he doesn't do that the situation will be taken out of his hands, he WILL get identified soon enough and banned without getting to put his side of the story. I suspect there is a slight over-reaction here. Jeez, Alan Pardew headbutted another player through something much less. Didn't see him get a life ban. Bollocks, obviously you didn't hear the Rovers supporter phone Radio Bristol after the game, who said that this bloke was being a complete Dickhead as soon as he entered the ground. Shouting, swearing and carrying on. No stewards is not an excuse. What about the FA cup. Oh you can't play there, because in this day and age..... blah blah blah. If he phoned the Evening post to give his side of the story it would probably start with how he had six pints before the game and couldn't remember anything after that. f**k me, I've been to smaller grounds than that and I didn't have to go berserk just because there were no stewards. I watched a pretty crap video of it the other day, and it looked to me like there was intent. From memory he was not stood behind the goal, and only moved there after the penalty was given. The bloke is a gentlemans appendage. The sooner this idiot is named and banned the better. Same goes for the likes of the so called fans who attended FGR and abused a female steward. With many people now having smartphones there should be more videos taken of these dickheads and getting them banned. buckripper, you're in the media game. Why not contact Christian McClean. He was there Saturday. Apparently he moved in to quieten things down. See what he's got to say. I wish people would stop trying to defend this arsehole. Maybe those defending him should have a whip round and buy him a season ticket down the sh*t. Pete, I'm not trying to defend him. We all know you're right, but with a club that attracts as many supporters as ours there is bound to be the odd problem and I'm saying others should cater for it. Also, rather than put up the gallows and hang the bloke immediately... something which is creeping into the public domain more and more with social media... at least give him the chance of a fair hearing rather than taking "some bloke on the radio" as gospel. Could be a case of mistaken identity for all we know. I don't think it's fair to ask Rovers fans to dob in other Rovers fans. What I do think would be better if the bloke owns up and apologises for his own actions. After all, from all these fuzzy videos, no one is going to be able to prove anything - intent or such - anyway
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Post by buckrippers on Sept 11, 2014 12:45:53 GMT
Also, eye witness descriptions can be a matter of perception. Who among us hasn't thrown their hands around and shouted something we might later regret, in response to a diabolical refereeing decision. If the player was punched, has he complained to the police? Playing devil's advocate to a degree because if anything is proved he should be banned for life, particularly if he did punch the player
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 13:02:06 GMT
<abbr data-timestamp="1410439345000" class="time" title="Sept 11, 2014 13:42:25 GMT 1">Sept 11, 2014 13:42:25 GMT 1</abbr> buckrippers said: Pete, I'm not trying to defend him. We all know you're right, but with a club that attracts as many supporters as ours there is bound to be the odd problem and I'm saying others should cater for it. Also, rather than put up the gallows and hang the bloke immediately... something which is creeping into the public domain more and more with social media... at least give him the chance of a fair hearing rather than taking "some bloke on the radio" as gospel. Could be a case of mistaken identity for all we know. I don't think it's fair to ask Rovers fans to dob in other Rovers fans. What I do think would be better if the bloke owns up and apologises for his own actions. After all, from all these fuzzy videos, no one is going to be able to prove anything - intent or such - anyway So, we bring a problem to the Conference League, and others have to cater for it? I believe that Braintree brought stewards in from Gillingham for the match, although it seems that they were not in area the behind the goal when this happened. Maybe Rovers could start sending a few of their own stewards to away games? They are experienced with "big" crowds, and would know which groups are likely to require monitoring.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 14:08:02 GMT
IF I was this guy I would go public, ring the Evening Post and give his side of the story. I don't think a punch connected from looking at that, and I'm not sure it was intended either. It just looks like a lot of gesticulating. There are two problems here. In this day and age it is ridiculous that a. the fans are so close to the goal and b. there are no stewards in front of the fans. It just shows this league isn't ready for clubs the size of Bristol Rovers. I should think this bloke is now feeling highly embarrassed about his actions. He should offer apologies to the Braintree players, their club, the player in question and Bristol Rovers, explain he got wrapped up in the passion of the situation and promise never to do something similar again. Better still, he should ensure he stands somewhere where he cannot get involved in similar incidents again. If he doesn't do that the situation will be taken out of his hands, he WILL get identified soon enough and banned without getting to put his side of the story. I suspect there is a slight over-reaction here. Jeez, Alan Pardew headbutted another player through something much less. Didn't see him get a life ban. Bollocks, obviously you didn't hear the Rovers supporter phone Radio Bristol after the game, who said that this bloke was being a complete Dickhead as soon as he entered the ground. Shouting, swearing and carrying on. No stewards is not an excuse. What about the FA cup. Oh you can't play there, because in this day and age..... blah blah blah. If he phoned the Evening post to give his side of the story it would probably start with how he had six pints before the game and couldn't remember anything after that. f**k me, I've been to smaller grounds than that and I didn't have to go berserk just because there were no stewards. I watched a pretty crap video of it the other day, and it looked to me like there was intent. From memory he was not stood behind the goal, and only moved there after the penalty was given. The bloke is a gentlemans appendage. The sooner this idiot is named and banned the better. Same goes for the likes of the so called fans who attended FGR and abused a female steward. With many people now having smartphones there should be more videos taken of these dickheads and getting them banned. buckripper, you're in the media game. Why not contact Christian McClean. He was there Saturday. Apparently he moved in to quieten things down. See what he's got to say. I wish people would stop trying to defend this arsehole. Maybe those defending him should have a whip round and buy him a season ticket down the sh*t. The way you are carrying on, I'm suprised you have ever been to a live match! Unfortunately bad language, threatening behaviour, gesticulating, alcohol, is part of the agenda and has been for 50+ years. From time to time there are incidents. This one, to my eye, doesn't look very bad. The Leeds kiddy last year and the teds throwing all sorts into our fans were much worse and I don't recall you going off on one then?(different username perhaps)?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 15:54:17 GMT
I really don't understand any support at all for this guy. It now seems that if other teams fans act like dicks its ok for ours to
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Post by empirebaypete on Sept 11, 2014 21:06:24 GMT
Bollocks, obviously you didn't hear the Rovers supporter phone Radio Bristol after the game, who said that this bloke was being a complete Dickhead as soon as he entered the ground. Shouting, swearing and carrying on. No stewards is not an excuse. What about the FA cup. Oh you can't play there, because in this day and age..... blah blah blah. If he phoned the Evening post to give his side of the story it would probably start with how he had six pints before the game and couldn't remember anything after that. f**k me, I've been to smaller grounds than that and I didn't have to go berserk just because there were no stewards. I watched a pretty crap video of it the other day, and it looked to me like there was intent. From memory he was not stood behind the goal, and only moved there after the penalty was given. The bloke is a gentlemans appendage. The sooner this idiot is named and banned the better. Same goes for the likes of the so called fans who attended FGR and abused a female steward. With many people now having smartphones there should be more videos taken of these dickheads and getting them banned. buckripper, you're in the media game. Why not contact Christian McClean. He was there Saturday. Apparently he moved in to quieten things down. See what he's got to say. I wish people would stop trying to defend this arsehole. Maybe those defending him should have a whip round and buy him a season ticket down the sh*t. The way you are carrying on, I'm suprised you have ever been to a live match! Unfortunately bad language, threatening behaviour, gesticulating, alcohol, is part of the agenda and has been for 50+ years. From time to time there are incidents. This one, to my eye, doesn't look very bad. The Leeds kiddy last year and the teds throwing all sorts into our fans were much worse and I don't recall you going off on one then?(different username perhaps)? Firstly. Yes I go to live matches all the time. Believe me if the Central Coast are playing Newcastle or one of the Sydney teams the atmosphere can be intense. There's not too much segregation here. I've been sat right behind Newcastle fans when we've played them away. We're only a small club. At the final a couple of years ago we took 8000, to WSW's 32000. That was interesting. On the other side of the coin though the dozen or so hardy soils who fly from Perth would have a beer with you in the club before and after the game. Secondly we are allowed to drink alcohol while watching the game. If an incident had occurred like that here the bloke would have been out. The stewards and police don't mess about. I don't think this forum was going when we played the Sh!t, and they invaded the pitch. Bit difficult to post on a non existent forum. However, I'm amazed how few of them were prosecuted and what little action was taken. Someone at the teds must have used the funny handshake with the right people. I remember the New Years Day game when Gary Smart scored in the last minute. The coins were hailing down on us from the Dolman stand exit. They couldn't quite throw far enough though, and I was able to pick enough up to buy a pint on the way home. Eye Witness. I would have thought someone like Christian McClean would be idea. Ex pro and now a fireman. The leeds kiddy? I have no idea what incident you're on about. Still bloke comes to ground. Swears and carries on. Moves from his position to behind the goal at the time of the incident. Tries to hit a player. But don't worry it's nothing...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 1:13:57 GMT
a lot of these silly posts defending a 60 year old man whose invaded the field of play to attack an opposing player supported by many other middle aged loud mouths,,,some of these men went from behind the goal to stand by the linesman to verbally abuse him[how hard must they be?] maybe it would be better for the clubs future if we had a very severe punishment? i hope not but clearly lots of people are happy to defend this behaviour including a "journalist" so the next incident at the next defeat will surely be more aggressive but understandable as we have had such a tough time recently. i wish all supporters would stand up against bad behaviour but alas its not even close to that
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Post by gasincider on Sept 12, 2014 1:32:02 GMT
1973, get you're facts right. He didn't encroach onto the pitch. Never mind, just another exaggeration. I was there and I saw him waving his arms and shouting at the player. I didn't see a punch thrown.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 1:43:38 GMT
1973, get you're facts right. He didn't encroach onto the pitch. Never mind, just another exaggeration. I was there and I saw him waving his arms and shouting at the player. I didn't see a punch thrown. i was 25 yards away from barry,i was at altrincham as well,isnt pushing,punching your hands through the goal net encroaching? to be honest it dosnt matter so many people have supported his actions were in trouble anyway either this time or next
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 9:32:30 GMT
The way you are carrying on, I'm suprised you have ever been to a live match! Unfortunately bad language, threatening behaviour, gesticulating, alcohol, is part of the agenda and has been for 50+ years. From time to time there are incidents. This one, to my eye, doesn't look very bad. The Leeds kiddy last year and the teds throwing all sorts into our fans were much worse and I don't recall you going off on one then?(different username perhaps)? Firstly. Yes I go to live matches all the time. Believe me if the Central Coast are playing Newcastle or one of the Sydney teams the atmosphere can be intense. There's not too much segregation here. I've been sat right behind Newcastle fans when we've played them away. We're only a small club. At the final a couple of years ago we took 8000, to WSW's 32000. That was interesting. On the other side of the coin though the dozen or so hardy soils who fly from Perth would have a beer with you in the club before and after the game. Secondly we are allowed to drink alcohol while watching the game. If an incident had occurred like that here the bloke would have been out. The stewards and police don't mess about. I don't think this forum was going when we played the Sh!t, and they invaded the pitch. Bit difficult to post on a non existent forum. However, I'm amazed how few of them were prosecuted and what little action was taken. Someone at the teds must have used the funny handshake with the right people. I remember the New Years Day game when Gary Smart scored in the last minute. The coins were hailing down on us from the Dolman stand exit. They couldn't quite throw far enough though, and I was able to pick enough up to buy a pint on the way home. Eye Witness. I would have thought someone like Christian McClean would be idea. Ex pro and now a fireman. The leeds kiddy? I have no idea what incident you're on about. Still bloke comes to ground. Swears and carries on. Moves from his position to behind the goal at the time of the incident. Tries to hit a player. But don't worry it's nothing... The atmosphere over there seems closer to rugby. There were plenty of threads on the OF about the Ashton gate debacle, hence the question about your username. The Leeds fan(from the sw I think-Cheltenham) ran on the pitch and attacked the goalkeeper. That was an incident. There doesn't need to outrage about what people perceive. I don't think that his behaviour was that bad compared to other cases. I have seen the video, a few people have said he didn't make contact. Someone made a gun comparison? Well, if you miss, you can't get done for shooting someone can you?! Also, people attempting to name? That is sad. I would imagine the bloke has made a visit off his own steam. The case will go to court if there is one.
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Post by bs20gas on Sept 12, 2014 11:00:18 GMT
anyone would think there was reward money for weighing this bloke in, would they be so quick to tell if it was one of their family or friends ? yes probably which is about the strength of these people, i got no respect for people informing and slating this bloke online if you cant say it to someones face then you shouldnt do it from behind a keyboard, He will get his comeuppance if hes broke the law(which i dont think he has)in my view he should have been slung out at Braintree and told to come back when he was sober next time, nothing more or nothing less, to ban him for years and restrict his passport is just exploiting a law which was put through to stop serious football hooliganism what he did wasnt that it was an over the top reaction but it wasnt football hooliganism, we dont need fellow gasheads releasing videos of the incident and naming him it makes us look like a load of snidey slippery dogs and its embarassing, hes not a hooligan in my opinion ok he might not be some of your choices as a drinking partner but him and a couple of others are the ones who get us singing at games on this occasion hes over reacted, i predict before long we will be left with just a few of the cardboard cutout supporters and zero atmosphere as anyone with any passion or charactor will be banned if there not allready.. on another note we got other supporters who are in court for invading the pitch at the mansfield game who i know personally and one was was just on the pitch filming it all on his phone and did no attempt at any violence another i personally watched do little more than walk onto the pitch to voice his frustration at our relegation to the board and wasnt hostile in anyway, these are members of the supporters club who come to every home game and travel away to most of our games and have never been a problem before, obviously the ones who attacked police and stewards deserve all they get but it seems all and sundry who could be recognised are up before the court and recieving lengthy bans, i feel they were justified in making a protest at the time i mean our club had just been relegated out of the football league what more do you need to happen before you can voice your concern and outrage ? oh we could do it on here which seems to be the only way to have your say but do you think anyone on high is reading ? we all have different outlooks and opinions on life so i know some wont agree with me and thats fair enough but this is just my opinion..U.T.G.!
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Post by inee on Sept 12, 2014 13:23:45 GMT
The difficulty I see is that while he may be technically innocent of a crime none of the clips look good for us as a club. As I said before this is something for the club to decide. Some will feel a ban too harsh and some will think its appropriate. As a fan I would be sad to see someone banned over this, but if I was a club official I would ban him in an instant. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Thing is hugo even good acts can be made to look bad, depending on the angle of the camera, and stupidity can be made to look much worse than it is watch all the videos some look as if he's got the player whilst the later ones actually show he did not make contact. In response to someone else's post, I've seen all sorts in my life, I've seen people battered for looking or talking to someone, i've seen handbags at dawn, but the most repetitive thing i have seen is too many coppers getting their rocks off beating someone with a stick whether they are innocent or not, if i took out a baseball bat or metal bar and decided to beat the bejesus out of someone quite rightly i would end up in court, so why is it if the filth go over the top so many people praise them, look at the last game of last season, someone slapped a copper so two of em started beating him with their sticks , then a third one run from quite a way away to join in now tell me that's ok , i'm of the opinion if you think police violence is ok and above board, please don't cry or whine if you get into a fight down town and someone's mates gang up on you as it the same thing(except for one set of thugs get paid to beat you up).` A lot of people seem not able to grasp that the society we live in gets closer to a police state everyday, if you don't agree take a look around and think back 10 15 years, were you asked then to do the filths job for them, did you so readily pick up the phone to report your friends and neighbours for doing something you didn't agree( oh and if i saw someone touching a kid or a woman then yes i would pick up the phone) with maybe they were having a party, or their dog was barking, or even god forbid they were working on their car or bike in the garden or street, the majority of people would have said live and let live, but now an awful lot of people are on the phone for the very things they have done in the past. So many people are blinded these days to what's really going on around them, what will it take for these people to wake up, and think if the filth want that person then they should get of their arses and do their own dirty work. so so many people have bought into the scam of if the police say it's right then it must be right no matter how wrong it is. Another example of this is i could not believe the sheer amount of sheep at the mansfield game , a cop said leave the carpark and off everyone went, some complaining but never the less still doing what they were told by the cops as after all it must be the correct thing to do, why did you all leave when clearly you did not want to, why didn't you exercise your right to peacefully go about your lawful business and stay put. And remember this you could report a thousand people to the law and think you are doing right,but do you honestly think by doing that you will get a free pass if you do something a copper doesn't like. Again think long and hard about the way people are arrested or convicted of crimes,if you were down town or in the street arguing or fighting with someone odds on you would get told to move on or get a good nights lip in the cells, if you did the samething on a saturday expect an early wake up call in front of the press and at minimum a day in court where no matter how innocent you are you will be condemned before you stand in the dock. and once the filth stops making money out of football it will turn its attention elsewhere
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 21:50:14 GMT
the last 2 posters have put long carefully thought out responses to the incident and yes we are getting more like a bloody police state but what i would really like to avoid is our clubs reputation being ruined and a big fine or points deduction because as i see it from many posts our next disaster on the pitch will be followed closely by the next incursion on to the pitch or something similar
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