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Post by horseshoegas47 on Aug 12, 2017 21:52:53 GMT
Just to be clear I am not Ellis hater he is a funny guy and I will forever be greatful for some of his goals when we were in the conference but I think he has had long enough and had enough chances, IMO he is not quite up to this level and I feel we should have let him leave in the summer. Newport or Forest Green would be a better fit for Ellis. Again IMO we would have been better giving Easter one last year on reduced terms, not just for his cameo appearances on the pitch but his influence on the training ground where I understand he was the main man, kept everyone in check and set the standards on the training field!! Gaffney is for me a good honest pro and was worth another year.
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Post by horseshoegas47 on Aug 12, 2017 21:53:05 GMT
Just to be clear I am not Ellis hater he is a funny guy and I will forever be greatful for some of his goals when we were in the conference but I think he has had long enough and had enough chances, IMO he is not quite up to this level and I feel we should have let him leave in the summer. Newport or Forest Green would be a better fit for Ellis. Again IMO we would have been better giving Easter one last year on reduced terms, not just for his cameo appearances on the pitch but his influence on the training ground where I understand he was the main man, kept everyone in check and set the standards on the training field!! Gaffney is for me a good honest pro and was worth another year.
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Post by curlywurly on Aug 12, 2017 21:54:34 GMT
OK, he missed a good chance, but so did Bodin, Nicholls, Sercombe, Lines. Noone in blue and white had a good game today, yet even at the end of the game, there were plenty of people willing to boo Ellis, even though he hadn't played for the last half hour. In fairness he didn't just miss a chance, he missed THE chance. It was essentially an open goal from 5 yards out, and instead of just cooly sidefooting it into the net he tried to put a hole in it and ended up brainlessly smashing it over. But I do agree about the crowd getting on his back more so than others. The booing of him today and cheering when he was subbed wasn't called for and isn't helpful in any way, but he is a very frustrating player and IMO Ellis shouldn't be a starting striker for a L1 club. Is that his fault? No. But it is where the frustration comes from for the fans, especially when you see P'boro with Marriot and Morais tearing us apart at the other end. Or at least play Gaffney over him. I can't think of a single thing Ellis does better or more effectively than Gaffney. In fairness (to use your phrase) take another look at that missed chance. I was right in line and I can guarantee you that it was not as easy as you suggest. I would criticise him for not keeping the ball down and not hitting the target, but there were Posh bodies between Ellis and the goal. Open goal and simple side foot it was not.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2017 22:04:45 GMT
In fairness if Ellis or Rory score in a game and between them they score in two out of three or four games then that's fine.It will mean 12-15 goals each. IF the other striker position also scores at the same rate between Tom and Dom .12-15 goals each.
Then the front line have scored a minimum of 48 goals between them. More than enough.
If the midfield chip in with 4 goals each (sinc/lines/Clarke/sercs/bodin/moore) that's 24 goals.
The defence chip in with 5 or 6 between them.
That will put Rovers in the top five scorers in the season for sure.
So Rory has 11 to go
You don't have to have a prolific scorer to get promotion plenty of teams have done it. You do need to keep clean sheets though to have a chance. A clean sheet today and last weekend would see Rovers on 4 points at the moment.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Aug 12, 2017 22:24:53 GMT
In fairness he didn't just miss a chance, he missed THE chance. It was essentially an open goal from 5 yards out, and instead of just cooly sidefooting it into the net he tried to put a hole in it and ended up brainlessly smashing it over. But I do agree about the crowd getting on his back more so than others. The booing of him today and cheering when he was subbed wasn't called for and isn't helpful in any way, but he is a very frustrating player and IMO Ellis shouldn't be a starting striker for a L1 club. Is that his fault? No. But it is where the frustration comes from for the fans, especially when you see P'boro with Marriot and Morais tearing us apart at the other end. Or at least play Gaffney over him. I can't think of a single thing Ellis does better or more effectively than Gaffney. In fairness (to use your phrase) take another look at that missed chance. I was right in line and I can guarantee you that it was not as easy as you suggest. I would criticise him for not keeping the ball down and not hitting the target, but there were Posh bodies between Ellis and the goal. Open goal and simple side foot it was not. In fairness (this is fun, isn't it?) it was a shocking finish. There were no bodies between Ellis and the part of the goal he was closest to and which he could have easily side footed into.
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Post by curlywurly on Aug 12, 2017 22:35:57 GMT
In fairness (to use your phrase) take another look at that missed chance. I was right in line and I can guarantee you that it was not as easy as you suggest. I would criticise him for not keeping the ball down and not hitting the target, but there were Posh bodies between Ellis and the goal. Open goal and simple side foot it was not. In fairness (this is fun, isn't it?) it was a shocking finish. There were no bodies between Ellis and the part of the goal he was closest to and which he could have easily side footed into. Have you seen it again? I'll withdraw if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty convinced that I'm not.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Aug 12, 2017 22:43:02 GMT
In fairness (this is fun, isn't it?) it was a shocking finish. There were no bodies between Ellis and the part of the goal he was closest to and which he could have easily side footed into. Have you seen it again? I'll withdraw if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty convinced that I'm not. I haven't (are there extended highlights up?), but I was stood in the Blackthorn directly in line with where Ellis shot from and can vividly remember staring at an empty 3rd of the goal in front of me as he blazed it over. Would like to see it again though as my memory is sh**e.
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Post by curlywurly on Aug 12, 2017 22:48:51 GMT
Have you seen it again? I'll withdraw if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty convinced that I'm not. I haven't (are there extended highlights up?), but I was stood in the Blackthorn directly in line with where Ellis shot from and can vividly remember staring at an empty 3rd of the goal in front of me as he blazed it over. Would like to see it again though as my memory is sh**e. So is mine (sh**e memory that is) and my eyesight is not that brilliant either. I fear that both of us may have selective memory bias on this one.
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Post by gasheadbatesy on Aug 12, 2017 22:51:50 GMT
Gaffers gaffers gaffers all day long, Sick of Ellis. Poor excuse of a striker. Look at the strikers we have made then look at Ellis. Locks can do 1 too. This comment won't go down well but Two poor players to come out the youth system and given far too much time on the pitch. At least people stopped saying the word potential in the same sentence as harrison. Sorry if I offend but had enough of see the same sh** from the same people.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Aug 12, 2017 22:59:45 GMT
I haven't (are there extended highlights up?), but I was stood in the Blackthorn directly in line with where Ellis shot from and can vividly remember staring at an empty 3rd of the goal in front of me as he blazed it over. Would like to see it again though as my memory is sh**e. So is mine (sh**e memory that is) and my eyesight is not that brilliant either. I fear that both of us may have selective memory bias on this one. Maybe it wasn't even Ellis...
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Post by curlywurly on Aug 12, 2017 23:00:22 GMT
Gaffers gaffers gaffers all day long, Sick of Ellis. Poor excuse of a striker. Look at the strikers we have made then look at Ellis. Locks can do 1 too. This comment won't go down well but Two poor players to come out the youth system and given far too much time on the pitch. At least people stopped saying the word potential in the same sentence as harrison. Sorry if I offend but had enough of see the same sh** from the same people. Don't agree with you. Might be better to sober up a bit before posting.
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Post by gasheadbatesy on Aug 12, 2017 23:18:07 GMT
Gaffers gaffers gaffers all day long, Sick of Ellis. Poor excuse of a striker. Look at the strikers we have made then look at Ellis. Locks can do 1 too. This comment won't go down well but Two poor players to come out the youth system and given far too much time on the pitch. At least people stopped saying the word potential in the same sentence as harrison. Sorry if I offend but had enough of see the same sh** from the same people. Don't agree with you. Might be better to sober up a bit before posting. Good debate. Top reply.
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Post by socrates on Aug 12, 2017 23:57:39 GMT
Losing patience with Ellis. Gaffney should have started today. Didn't Ellis score in midweek ? Would have been harsh to drop after scoring. R.G. scored today so I assume he will probably start next game. Though D.C. may opt for Telford and Nicholls upfront in a 442
Thing is Ellis will always pop up with the odd goal but he does f**k all else. Gaf will score too as he showed today but he will also bring people from midfield in to play and now we've got both Bodin and Sercombe looking to run on to a lay off we need that more than ever, and Ellis less than ever. Ellis on the bench as an impact sub has always been our best option for him since we were back in the league cos he just ain't a good enough player to be starting as a target man in league 1. In the first half today I reckon about 80% of our forward passes in to the Peterbro half were to Ellis in the air, that's why we created f**k all.
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Post by socrates on Aug 13, 2017 0:01:11 GMT
Have you seen it again? I'll withdraw if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty convinced that I'm not. I haven't (are there extended highlights up?), but I was stood in the Blackthorn directly in line with where Ellis shot from and can vividly remember staring at an empty 3rd of the goal in front of me as he blazed it over. Would like to see it again though as my memory is sh**e. I remember it as it came to him about ten yards out on his wrong side and was rising as he hit it, this almost always ends up with the ball going up and over so I don't think it was a sitter at all. Having said that I think he's nowhere good enough to be starting games in league 1 and Rory Gafney is twice the player.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 13, 2017 5:23:09 GMT
Didn't Ellis score in midweek ? Would have been harsh to drop after scoring. R.G. scored today so I assume he will probably start next game. Though D.C. may opt for Telford and Nicholls upfront in a 442
Thing is Ellis will always pop up with the odd goal but he does f**k all else. Gaf will score too as he showed today but he will also bring people from midfield in to play and now we've got both Bodin and Sercombe looking to run on to a lay off we need that more than ever, and Ellis less than ever. Ellis on the bench as an impact sub has always been our best option for him since we were back in the league cos he just ain't a good enough player to be starting as a target man in league 1. In the first half today I reckon about 80% of our forward passes in to the Peterbro half were to Ellis in the air, that's why we created f**k all. How can you say he's not good enough then concede that 80% of the balls played to him were long high balls? He jumped and challenged every ball played up to him. What else could he have done differently?
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Post by Qatar Gas on Aug 13, 2017 6:26:41 GMT
Whilst Gaffney inst necessarily a target man, he held the ball up well yesterday, something that none of our other strikers manged to do. Against Charlton we spent the whole second half knocking long balls forward and trying to put crosses in. Gaffney should have been on earlier there as well.
If we are going to continue to play this style of direct football then he should be starting next game.
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Post by althepirate on Aug 13, 2017 9:27:22 GMT
Thing is Ellis will always pop up with the odd goal but he does f**k all else. Gaf will score too as he showed today but he will also bring people from midfield in to play and now we've got both Bodin and Sercombe looking to run on to a lay off we need that more than ever, and Ellis less than ever. Ellis on the bench as an impact sub has always been our best option for him since we were back in the league cos he just ain't a good enough player to be starting as a target man in league 1. In the first half today I reckon about 80% of our forward passes in to the Peterbro half were to Ellis in the air, that's why we created f**k all. How can you say he's not good enough then concede that 80% of the balls played to him were long high balls? He jumped and challenged every ball played up to him. What else could he have done differently? He's needs to be stronger hard to take the ball off him, he needs to stay on his feet and hold the ball up better if he can't do that he's playing in the wrong position imo. I like Rory but if we are serious about making a challenge this year for me they are both good squad players not first choices so we need to invest in a physically strong experienced striker who can hold the ball up and score goals.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 13, 2017 9:28:49 GMT
How can you say he's not good enough then concede that 80% of the balls played to him were long high balls? He jumped and challenged every ball played up to him. What else could he have done differently? He's needs to be stronger hard to take the ball off him, he needs to stay on his feet and hold the ball up better if he can't do that he's playing in the wrong position imo. I like Rory but if we are serious about making a challenge this year for me they are both good squad players not first choices so we need to invest in a physically strong experienced striker who can hold the ball up and score goals. I.e Rickie Lambert 😉
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Post by althepirate on Aug 13, 2017 10:07:28 GMT
He's needs to be stronger hard to take the ball off him, he needs to stay on his feet and hold the ball up better if he can't do that he's playing in the wrong position imo. I like Rory but if we are serious about making a challenge this year for me they are both good squad players not first choices so we need to invest in a physically strong experienced striker who can hold the ball up and score goals. I.e Rickie Lambert 😉 Yes providing attitude and fitness is up together. If he's out of contract a months rolling contract to find out?
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Post by socrates on Aug 13, 2017 10:50:03 GMT
Thing is Ellis will always pop up with the odd goal but he does f**k all else. Gaf will score too as he showed today but he will also bring people from midfield in to play and now we've got both Bodin and Sercombe looking to run on to a lay off we need that more than ever, and Ellis less than ever. Ellis on the bench as an impact sub has always been our best option for him since we were back in the league cos he just ain't a good enough player to be starting as a target man in league 1. In the first half today I reckon about 80% of our forward passes in to the Peterbro half were to Ellis in the air, that's why we created f**k all. How can you say he's not good enough then concede that 80% of the balls played to him were long high balls? He jumped and challenged every ball played up to him. What else could he have done differently? Won more. Gafney did more in his first 5 mins than Ellis did in his whole time yesterday. Two biggest mistakes yesterday were starting with Ellis and then trying to use him As some kind of target man to play off, he hasn't got the football brain to bring others in to play.
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