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Post by gashead1981 on Aug 10, 2017 11:57:00 GMT
Would it be too much to ask if this goes ahead that the Board appoint a new, young(ish), dynamic, visionary, interactive, communicative Chairnan with a business brain, who the fans can relate to - who (hopefully) won't be restrained by Confidentiality Agreements et al. You will always constrained by confidentiality agreements. Its a protection for both parties. Its standard business procedure.
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Aug 10, 2017 12:08:58 GMT
Regarding station costs. Portishead needs a new line as most of it is either overgrown or dismantled for a few miles. A lot less work required if they can do anything around the Muller rd to Lockleaze rd stretch
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 10, 2017 12:20:14 GMT
Regarding station costs. Portishead needs a new line as most of it is either overgrown or dismantled for a few miles. A lot less work required if they can do anything around the Muller rd to Lockleaze rd stretch Portishead is deseperate more than ever for a new line and train station. Overgrown it's size, Weston has too and they have public transport options!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 12:25:30 GMT
Regarding station costs. Portishead needs a new line as most of it is either overgrown or dismantled for a few miles. A lot less work required if they can do anything around the Muller rd to Lockleaze rd stretch I think they have also built over the end section of the line....is there not a lidl or similar and other units over part of the old route. That's not to say a new route could not be found....but expensive as you say. A new platform at Dovercourt rd would involve a short access road some big slabs of concrete a few seats and bus shelter affairs a timetable and a litter bin !...ok there will be technical stuff too. back in 2013 though it was definitely on BCC's agenda...however the council has changed a little from then and there is a different mayor now...so who knows if its on the agenda anymore,
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 10, 2017 12:30:49 GMT
For the life of me I can't understand if the UWE are holding us to ransom why we can't now buy a big enough plot of land on the old airport to build a stadium, as would would have thought it would be easier to get pp there than the Mem plus it's got good road transport links. Cost will probably be the issue but we're not going to redevelop the Mem cheaply if done properly. Most of that land has been sold to housing developers I could be wrong but I assume the Mem land would generate more per house plot/per acre than a similar plot of land in the middle of the runway, or at Gypsy Patch Lane, what's stopping the ALQ's still buying a plot and selling the Mem. for development? I guess the same as agreeing a deal with the UWE £££'s, if so, how are we going to find the £'s needed to rebuild the Mem. Assuming Wael's still being interviewed by GT on Saturday it would be nice to know what is intentions are now at the Mem, a complete rebuild or just a refurb, and whether finance for a rebuild is still in place.
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Post by baggins on Aug 10, 2017 12:38:37 GMT
Funny how after hearing Wael and Family walked away from the deal with UWE, incurring vitriolic posts about how they've screwed us, how they don't care and are only in it for a financial return and they'll be selling soon after no investment other than money borrowed against the land value, the news about the possible redevelopment of the Mem has incurred interest, at the cost of the Al Qadi family.
When it's done, will you all still shout Fake Sheiks? Pfft.
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Post by toddy1953 on Aug 10, 2017 12:39:00 GMT
Nice thought but gave you seen the costs to reopen portishead? Don't think anything will happen with new rail links in the area for 10 years plus Work on Henbury Station rebuild is due to start late 2018/2019, When the Filton Junction upgrade is completed Fingers crossed Henbury. Just hope there isn't the obligatory delays & hikes in costs.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Aug 10, 2017 12:39:16 GMT
Most of that land has been sold to housing developers I could be wrong but I assume the Mem land would generate more per house plot/per acre than a similar plot of land in the middle of the runway, or at Gypsy Patch Lane, what's stopping the ALQ's still buying a plot and selling the Mem. for development? I guess the same as agreeing a deal with the UWE £££'s, if so, how are we going to find the £'s needed to rebuild the Mem. Assuming Wael's still being interviewed by GT on Saturday it would be nice to know what is intentions are now at the Mem, a complete rebuild or just a refurb, and whether finance for a rebuild is still in place. Wael said they will have a 're - grouping phase'. I suspect there will be a couple of months before any clear plans are divulged.
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Post by Qatar Gas on Aug 10, 2017 12:44:53 GMT
Regarding station costs. Portishead needs a new line as most of it is either overgrown or dismantled for a few miles. A lot less work required if they can do anything around the Muller rd to Lockleaze rd stretch I think they have also built over the end section of the line....is there not a lidl or similar and other units over part of the old route. That's not to say a new route could not be found....but expensive as you say.
I think the planned Portishead station is before the newer developments by the Marina where the took part of the old track up for a road. In fact you can see the tracks when walking along that road (I used to walk it daily to work) so the station will go here. I think the bigger issues and costs are reinstating the line along the Avon Gorge.
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Post by xplosivgas on Aug 10, 2017 12:51:22 GMT
I probably fall on the sceptical side of the spectrum (especially after the past week), but I don't believe there will be any significant changes or development at the Mem. There might be some token upgrades (as we've seen already) but I'll be amazed if any of the existing stands are re-build or extended to any degree. In my opinion, after the UWE failure the owners are saying the only thing they could say to buy time. I don't think we'll see any direct investment, it'll all be funds generated from gate receipts or players out. Plenty of time can be bought drafting a few plans, the odd consultation....then ooops back to the drawing board. The thing could dragged out for years and years.
On the plus side, having no expectation for change allows me to focus on the football and visiting clubs with decent grounds will continue to be a pleasant novelty!
I appreciate there are many who have absolute faith in Wael and trust every word that he says, despite past contradictions. And I hope I'm proved to be 100% wrong and we'll be sitting in an 18.5k re-developed Mem with shiny new blue seats in a few years.
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Post by baggins on Aug 10, 2017 13:04:16 GMT
I probably fall on the sceptical side of the spectrum (especially after the past week), but I don't believe there will be any significant changes or development at the Mem. There might be some token upgrades (as we've seen already) but I'll be amazed if any of the existing stands are re-build or extended to any degree. In my opinion, after the UWE failure the owners are saying the only thing they could say to buy time. I don't think we'll see any direct investment, it'll all be funds generated from gate receipts or players out. Plenty of time can be bought drafting a few plans, the odd consultation....then ooops back to the drawing board. The thing could dragged out for years and years. On the plus side, having no expectation for change allows me to focus on the football and visiting clubs with decent grounds will continue to be a pleasant novelty! I appreciate there are many who have absolute faith in Wael and trust every word that he says, despite past contradictions. And I hope I'm proved to be 100% wrong and we'll be sitting in an 18.5k re-developed Mem with shiny new blue seats in a few years. If Wael was really in it for the money, he'd have bought us, wouldn't have spent £200 an hour for Solicitors, wouldn't have put the training ground into action, wouldn't have employed countless backroom staff, but would have approached Redrow.
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Post by trojandog on Aug 10, 2017 13:49:17 GMT
All this talk about parking at the Mem is a nonsense.
London Stadium (Olympic Park) - no parking for fans. Millwall - no parking for fans. Chelsea - no parking for fans. Arsenal - no parking for fans. Everton - no parking for fans. etc...
If they can build an Olympic Stadium without parking the Mem should be a breeze.
The answer is a well planned and operated park & ride, not a few old buses.
Some years ago I went to an Atlanta Braves baseball game. The nearest MARTA (subway) station was a mile away. Emerging from the station there were four buses parked, all loading at the same time. When they moved off, they were replaced by another four. The buses drove down a bus lane to the stadium.
At the end of the game, groups of buses were clearly marked 'MARTA', 'P&R1', 'P&R2' etc, with stewards pointing where to go. The MARTA buses were again loading in groups of four. Whilst the game was in progress, the bus lane had been coned and the direction reversed. I timed it and from game end to the MARTA station was twelve minutes. The clubs aim was to have 20,000 fans away from the stadium area in fifteen minutes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 14:15:00 GMT
All this talk about parking at the Mem is a nonsense. London Stadium (Olympic Park) - no parking for fans. Millwall - no parking for fans. Chelsea - no parking for fans. Arsenal - no parking for fans. Everton - no parking for fans. etc... If they can build an Olympic Stadium without parking the Mem should be a breeze. The answer is a well planned and operated park & ride, not a few old buses. Some years ago I went to an Atlanta Braves baseball game. The nearest MARTA (subway) station was a mile away. Emerging from the station there were four buses parked, all loading at the same time. When they moved off, they were replaced by another four. The buses drove down a bus lane to the stadium. At the end of the game, groups of buses were clearly marked 'MARTA', 'P&R1', 'P&R2' etc, with stewards pointing where to go. The MARTA buses were again loading in groups of four. Whilst the game was in progress, the bus lane had been coned and the direction reversed. I timed it and from game end to the MARTA station was twelve minutes. The clubs aim was to have 20,000 fans away from the stadium area in fifteen minutes. Whilst agreeing with your latter points ,I would say that... The Olympic stadium does have a 550 space multi-storey nearby in stratford ,4500 spaces at the westfield centre ,along with a major tube ,train and bus hub. Now if the Mem had a bus station,overground station ,tube station and a multi-storey nearby I would have no concerns about transport.
EDIT: The reason parking is an issue is because it WILL become the major complaint the locals bring up. So to raise the issues before hand and look to solutions BEFORE planning goes in surely helps everyone. Simply saying there will always be congestion and parking problems wont sound good when arguing a case for the stadium. Locals DO NOT care less what people in Liverpool ,London.Manchester etc have to put up with...they don't live there.
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Post by lulworthgas on Aug 10, 2017 14:22:20 GMT
tge parking issue does my head in. At the moment, the surrounding streets cope, they will continue to do so. If for some strange reason we start getting 18000 people at games then clearly the council will then put pressure on the club to provide bus services from places like kings wood with added busses from all the north Bristol park and rides. In theory, this will take thousands of cars off the roads however the truth is, Bristolians just don't like giving up their cars and so regardless, most people will drive and whine about congestestion and lack of parking.
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Post by faggotygas on Aug 10, 2017 14:23:23 GMT
Funny how after hearing Wael and Family walked away from the deal with UWE, incurring vitriolic posts about how they've screwed us, how they don't care and are only in it for a financial return and they'll be selling soon after no investment other than money borrowed against the land value, the news about the possible redevelopment of the Mem has incurred interest, at the cost of the Al Qadi family. When it's done, will you all still shout Fake Sheiks? Pfft. Who is 'you', exactly? You realise we aren't all the same person? You'll probably find that the people speculating positively about the Mem (T&Cs apply) aren't the same people shouting about fake sheiks. I certainly wasn't.
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Post by baggins on Aug 10, 2017 15:09:10 GMT
Funny how after hearing Wael and Family walked away from the deal with UWE, incurring vitriolic posts about how they've screwed us, how they don't care and are only in it for a financial return and they'll be selling soon after no investment other than money borrowed against the land value, the news about the possible redevelopment of the Mem has incurred interest, at the cost of the Al Qadi family. When it's done, will you all still shout Fake Sheiks? Pfft. Who is 'you', exactly? You realise we aren't all the same person? You'll probably find that the people speculating positively about the Mem (T&Cs apply) aren't the same people shouting about fake sheiks. I certainly wasn't. I know that. 'You', refers to those who followed the finger pointing within 24 hours of the UWE withdraw notice. 'You' refers to those that joined in with the disgraceful comments aimed at the Board within 48 hours of the UWE withdraw notice. 'You' refers to those that having stirred it all up have now stopped posting.
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Post by matealotblue on Aug 10, 2017 15:37:10 GMT
All this talk about parking at the Mem is a nonsense. London Stadium (Olympic Park) - no parking for fans. Millwall - no parking for fans. Chelsea - no parking for fans. Arsenal - no parking for fans. Everton - no parking for fans. etc... If they can build an Olympic Stadium without parking the Mem should be a breeze. The answer is a well planned and operated park & ride, not a few old buses. Some years ago I went to an Atlanta Braves baseball game. The nearest MARTA (subway) station was a mile away. Emerging from the station there were four buses parked, all loading at the same time. When they moved off, they were replaced by another four. The buses drove down a bus lane to the stadium. At the end of the game, groups of buses were clearly marked 'MARTA', 'P&R1', 'P&R2' etc, with stewards pointing where to go. The MARTA buses were again loading in groups of four. Whilst the game was in progress, the bus lane had been coned and the direction reversed. I timed it and from game end to the MARTA station was twelve minutes. The clubs aim was to have 20,000 fans away from the stadium area in fifteen minutes. Whilst agreeing with your latter points ,I would say that... The Olympic stadium does have a 550 space multi-storey nearby in stratford ,4500 spaces at the westfield centre ,along with a major tube ,train and bus hub. Now if the Mem had a bus station,overground station ,tube station and a multi-storey nearby I would have no concerns about transport.
EDIT: The reason parking is an issue is because it WILL become the major complaint the locals bring up. So to raise the issues before hand and look to solutions BEFORE planning goes in surely helps everyone. Simply saying there will always be congestion and parking problems wont sound good when arguing a case for the stadium. Locals DO NOT care less what people in Liverpool ,London.Manchester etc have to put up with...they don't live there.
A transport plan (and many other documents) will be part of the PP application, just as it was with the Sainsbury's one. So there ain't no way out of that one.
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Post by jareth on Aug 10, 2017 15:49:26 GMT
I've been following all this for years, as I have a house opposite the mem - albeit not a rovers fan as such. I am really glad the ground is staying put, I was a massive Sainsburys NIMBY but not so for a new developed mem. Gives the area a lot of character and soul. I agree with a previous poster - Filton Av needs to be one way at the top - would solve a lot of problems.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 10, 2017 16:02:57 GMT
I have always said with the original mem development and Sainsbury's there, and even the case as it currently stands that the section of Filton Avenue by the stadium needs to be ONE WAY traffic.. no left turn into the road. continue up Muller Road and go round the loop.
At the end of a game now it is bad enough with parked cars and buses and two directions of traffic trying to squeeze through as well as thousands of people
That won't work coz there's no left turn into Filton Ave going down Gloucester Rd (because the angle is too tight). It would have to be one way the other way.
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Post by matealotblue on Aug 10, 2017 16:14:44 GMT
I've been following all this for years, as I have a house opposite the mem - albeit not a rovers fan as such. I am really glad the ground is staying put, I was a massive Sainsburys NIMBY but not so for a new developed mem. Gives the area a lot of character and soul. I agree with a previous poster - Filton Av needs to be one way at the top - would solve a lot of problems. Your place for beer and pies before and after the match it is then!!
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