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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 1:00:04 GMT
Well name a forward we could have got instead of nicholls who is better for the money and bear in mind approx equal salary? Make sure its only a player you have seen play live in 5-10 games because any fool would know you cant judge a player otherwise. I would've rather spent an extra 100k and got Jack Marriott and I'm not just saying that because he scored a hat-trick against us today. I said I would back him to score more than Nichols when they replaced him with Marriott and stand by that. Rated Marriott since his Ipswich/Woking days. Conor McAleny would've been another option on a free and I also rate David Ball. they may have been dc"s list though? and made their choices. best player on the pitch today for me was madison. we need to give nicholls a fair chance to impress imo though i think he strained his hamstring after our subs were all on the pitch.
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Post by pirate on Aug 13, 2017 1:11:17 GMT
I would've rather spent an extra 100k and got Jack Marriott and I'm not just saying that because he scored a hat-trick against us today. I said I would back him to score more than Nichols when they replaced him with Marriott and stand by that. Rated Marriott since his Ipswich/Woking days. Conor McAleny would've been another option on a free and I also rate David Ball. they may have been dc"s list though? and made their choices. best player on the pitch today for me was madison. we need to give nicholls a fair chance to impress imo though i think he strained his hamstring after our subs were all on the pitch. If they were on his list then we should have pushed the boat out to get them in the building. It's a sad state of affairs if your missing out on players to Fleetwood Town IMHO, no disrespect to them, a team playing North West Counties League as recent as 04/05. I agree Nichols deserve a fair chance to impress and even if he struggles I'll never get on a players back in the stadium...constructive criticism on a forum is a different matter. The best player today for me was Marriott, I thought his movement was excellent and he could've had another couple of goals, missing one guilt edged chance. Maddison was also good though, I'm surprised he's still there with a rumoured 1.5mil release clause. Gwion Edwards was also impressive and I thought Steven Taylor showed his class and experience at times.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Aug 13, 2017 3:19:35 GMT
I love the fact that people are still saying give the owners time etc. Our owners have had over 40 years in total to work it out, but never mind, patience is the name of the game. The only way to justify patience is to come clean about what went wrong at UWE. It certainly doesn't take 18 months to decide Higgs plan was crap. If the freehold was the stumbling block, that could have been clarified in the first 10 minutes of the first meeting. We could then have been looking for alternatives for the last 18 months. As for the Mem, there will be a two year period of discussing options, then decide it just doesn't pay, and we will be back to square 1 with no UWE option. Wael was not party to the UWE talks, so it's Hani and Mike Turner who should be answering for what went on. Wael is only repeating bits and pieces second hand. The service in the bars is bloody awful, and perhaps Box 1 should come down and try to buy a drink or some food. If they can afford it that is. It's cheaper at some clubs in London than here. Anyway, to the football. It was bloody awful. End of. you know this as fact ? or you just guessing like every non believer on here
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 6:39:01 GMT
I've not written them off and I've already said many times I rate Sercombe, I just think some of that money could've been better spent. Just my opinion. Well name a forward we could have got instead of nicholls who is better for the money and bear in mind approx equal salary? Make sure its only a player you have seen play live in 5-10 games because any fool would know you cant judge a player otherwise. I'd be surprised if DC had seen Nichols play live in 5-10 games before signing him and so by your logic is DC a fool as well?
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Aug 13, 2017 6:44:26 GMT
Well name a forward we could have got instead of nicholls who is better for the money and bear in mind approx equal salary? Make sure its only a player you have seen play live in 5-10 games because any fool would know you cant judge a player otherwise. I'd be surprised if DC had seen Nichols play live in 5-10 games before signing him and so by your logic is DC a fool as well? Yes but Marcus Stewart had seen him for at least two seasons at Exeter.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 6:57:05 GMT
So the £500,000 pounds DC has spent so far is a complete waste ?? Sack the Manager he is clueless Thats just on nicholls and sercombe! slocombe,smith and sweeney will all be on a good wage. the owners have invested in coaching staff and development squad players as well as dc signing a longer probably higher salary deal. Looking forward to a sparkling new 15k capacity[thats enough] mem Agree with you Bluebutterfly a 15,000 capacity fine in lower divisions as Buckle told us we need to lower as aspirations. .. I had hoped for more and sooner. Even if your aspirations are met, we'll not see see a redeveloped Mem for some years yet and even that's not certain. As for investments in coaching staff and development squad then it's a case of waiting and seeing what it produces. That said if we want to avoid a bottom third finish this season then it's a winger, strong forward and defensive midfield that are needed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 7:07:27 GMT
I'd be surprised if DC had seen Nichols play live in 5-10 games before signing him and so by your logic is DC a fool as well? Yes but Marcus Stewart had seen him for at least two seasons at Exeter. True, but Marcus left Exeter over 5 years ago... I think Bluebutterfly was recommending 5 or 10 more recent games needed for scouting.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 13, 2017 7:08:37 GMT
I love the fact that people are still saying give the owners time etc. Our owners have had over 40 years in total to work it out, but never mind, patience is the name of the game. Yeah, but different owners. That's a bizarre way of looking at it. On that logic we shouldn't give Nichols' any time to bed in coz our strikers have already had 130 years to gel.
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Aug 13, 2017 9:00:40 GMT
Yes but Marcus Stewart had seen him for at least two seasons at Exeter. True, but Marcus left Exeter over 5 years ago... I think Bluebutterfly was recommending 5 or 10 more recent games needed for scouting. If you know the raw material is there it doesn't matter who messed it up in between...our coaches back themselves to polish the diamond. Take Joey Barton..several years of mediocrity but Sean Dyche had a hunch he could get the best out of him and he did. Hopefully our guys can get the best out of TN...just that they haven't had long enough with him yet.
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Post by chelts on Aug 13, 2017 9:42:32 GMT
what were the plan b's for the severnside ,mangotsfield,stoke Gifford and Higgs era UWE stadiums ? The plan B talk is rubbish, Other options only exist BEFORE you make your choice. Once you have decided what you are going for its based on that being the best option at the time. If you need as much money as possible for plan A and club running you don't waste hundreds of thousands on plan B. Plan A is always the new plan you work towards. Rovers are now focused on Plan A My thoughts exactly. The same team of highly experienced and expensive experts have other clients as well. When Wael says we need to regroup he means giving them the notice period to manage their existing work to focus around a new project. I' d rather wait for the right team and the right solution. We only know the plan inherited - we have no idea what modifications they sought. They have made a significant investment in this club and were clearly unhappy with some elements. We need to embrace a different solution - I speak as a UWE project supporter but now believe the mem offers the best way forward. What is there not to like about being close to Gloucester Rd. Every effort should be made to incentivise people to minimise car use as this is the major headache even for a capacity unchanged from now. A development that may offer community facilities, protects businesses in the area, and preserves the memo for sport has to be better than a supermarket for example.
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Post by Captain Jayho on Aug 13, 2017 9:48:01 GMT
Erm, isn't there some as yet unproven suggestion that the highly experienced and expensive stadium experts are still waiting for their invoices to be paid from the last time we hired them? Personally have no idea if there is any basis for that but if there is I doubt they'd be busting a gut to get back on board this particular pirate ship.
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Post by LJG on Aug 13, 2017 9:51:39 GMT
I love the fact that people are still saying give the owners time etc. Our owners have had over 40 years in total to work it out, but never mind, patience is the name of the game. The only way to justify patience is to come clean about what went wrong at UWE. It certainly doesn't take 18 months to decide Higgs plan was crap. If the freehold was the stumbling block, that could have been clarified in the first 10 minutes of the first meeting. We could then have been looking for alternatives for the last 18 months. As for the Mem, there will be a two year period of discussing options, then decide it just doesn't pay, and we will be back to square 1 with no UWE option. Wael was not party to the UWE talks, so it's Hani and Mike Turner who should be answering for what went on. Wael is only repeating bits and pieces second hand. The service in the bars is bloody awful, and perhaps Box 1 should come down and try to buy a drink or some food. If they can afford it that is. It's cheaper at some clubs in London than here. Anyway, to the football. It was bloody awful. End of. You don't half talk some made up sh1te. The sad thing is so many people on here are ready to lap it up and repeat it to each other on the terraces then come back on here and say "It's true! I've heard loads of people say it on the terraces".
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Post by countygroundhotel on Aug 13, 2017 10:11:28 GMT
Being the owner or chairman of Bristol Rovers most be the easiest gig in football. Just talk a load of bollocks & the fans lap it up, install a few new hand driers and call it a redevelopment. Jobs easy isn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 10:13:42 GMT
Well name a forward we could have got instead of nicholls who is better for the money and bear in mind approx equal salary? Make sure its only a player you have seen play live in 5-10 games because any fool would know you cant judge a player otherwise. I'd be surprised if DC had seen Nichols play live in 5-10 games before signing him and so by your logic is DC a fool as well? Well he saw nicholls twice last season but your point is valid. Recruitment uses stats and scouts and strangely managers watch games too. Point im making is just rattling off lots of names and saying they could do better than nicholls is a bit daft. All of our impressions of the new players are just initial impressions surely?
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Post by pirate on Aug 13, 2017 10:15:15 GMT
Being the owner or chairman of Bristol Rovers most be the easiest gig in football. Just talk a load of bollocks & the fans lap it up, install a few new hand driers and call it a redevelopment. Jobs easy isn't it? Be fair, they did also clean the curtains and install a new tent. Evolution not revolution. Up the Crazy Gang.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 10:17:33 GMT
Thats just on nicholls and sercombe! slocombe,smith and sweeney will all be on a good wage. the owners have invested in coaching staff and development squad players as well as dc signing a longer probably higher salary deal. Looking forward to a sparkling new 15k capacity[thats enough] mem Agree with you Bluebutterfly a 15,000 capacity fine in lower divisions as Buckle told us we need to lower as aspirations. .. I had hoped for more and sooner. Even if your aspirations are met, we'll not see see a redeveloped Mem for some years yet and even that's not certain. As for investments in coaching staff and development squad then it's a case of waiting and seeing what it produces. That said if we want to avoid a bottom third finish this season then it's a winger, strong forward and defensive midfield that are needed. Isnt ollie clarke our defensive midfield player after doing so well last season? Or does his performance at charlton deem him surplus?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 10:18:06 GMT
True, but Marcus left Exeter over 5 years ago... I think Bluebutterfly was recommending 5 or 10 more recent games needed for scouting. If you know the raw material is there it doesn't matter who messed it up in between...our coaches back themselves to polish the diamond. Take Joey Barton..several years of mediocrity but Sean Dyche had a hunch he could get the best out of him and he did. Hopefully our guys can get the best out of TN...just that they haven't had long enough with him yet. I think that's what they tried with James last year and there are douzens of example of youngsters who seem great in their teen who never progress as it was hoped.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Aug 13, 2017 10:21:23 GMT
I'd be surprised if DC had seen Nichols play live in 5-10 games before signing him and so by your logic is DC a fool as well? Well he saw nicholls twice last season but your point is valid. Recruitment uses stats and scouts and strangely managers watch games too. Point im making is just rattling off lots of names and saying they could do better than nicholls is a bit daft. All of our impressions of the new players are just initial impressions surely? Nichols is not the problem and like the snake will possibly need time to get going. The bigger problem is DC has also kept Ellis and Gaffney, neither score enough goals, and he has not brought in the number of "better players" he promised to bring in over the summer. That is why we are 2 and O and looking awful from back to front.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 10:22:00 GMT
Agree with you Bluebutterfly a 15,000 capacity fine in lower divisions as Buckle told us we need to lower as aspirations. .. I had hoped for more and sooner. Even if your aspirations are met, we'll not see see a redeveloped Mem for some years yet and even that's not certain. As for investments in coaching staff and development squad then it's a case of waiting and seeing what it produces. That said if we want to avoid a bottom third finish this season then it's a winger, strong forward and defensive midfield that are needed. Isnt ollie clarke our defensive midfield player after doing so well last season? Or does his performance at charlton deem him surplus? Yes, I'm surprised Ollie is out of favour, I wonder if he's fully fit after the knee injury from last year and given his past injuries I wonder if there is more rehabilitation before regularly playing 90 minutes. I think Ollie say the knee was not quite right in pre-season.
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Post by pirate on Aug 13, 2017 10:26:13 GMT
Well he saw nicholls twice last season but your point is valid. Recruitment uses stats and scouts and strangely managers watch games too. Point im making is just rattling off lots of names and saying they could do better than nicholls is a bit daft. All of our impressions of the new players are just initial impressions surely? Nichols is not the problem and like the snake will possibly need time to get going. The bigger problem is DC has also kept Ellis and Gaffney, neither score enough goals, and he has not brought in the number of "better players" he promised to bring in over the summer. That is why we are 2 and O and looking awful from back to front. The more I think about it the more I think this summers recruitment is a big disappointment, especially when you look at some of the signings other League One clubs have made. The "top 6 budget" bollocks we were fed is just that, BOLLOCKS.
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