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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 14, 2017 11:01:30 GMT
Seriously, we've had three complaints about racist language in just our first two games and posters feel it's right to defend them, given we've already had one "fan" fined for racist language we're clearly not immune from it happening at Rovers.
Will the posters still be defending them when we get a points deduction for not dealing with the problem, leading to us missing out on a Play off spot or being relegated?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 14, 2017 11:03:33 GMT
Seriously, we've had three complaints about racist language in just our first two games and posters feel it's right to defend them, given we've already had one "fan" fined for racist language we're clearly not immune from it happening at Rovers. Will the posters still be defending them when we get a points deduction for not dealing with the problem, leading to us missing out on a Play off spot or being relegated? No one is defending the racists!! Everyone has agreed they should be banned haven't they?? The discussion has just wandered into a different direction.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Aug 14, 2017 11:04:00 GMT
Seriously, we've had three complaints about racist language in just our first two games and posters feel it's right to defend them, given we've already had one "fan" fined for racist language we're clearly not immune from it happening at Rovers. Will the posters still be defending them when we get a points deduction for not dealing with the problem, leading to us missing out on a Play off spot or being relegated? I haven't seen anyone defend them?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 14, 2017 11:05:11 GMT
Classic Gas Chat. A couple of posts about incidents of racist abuse, and then ten pages whining about how it's not fair to white people. [snipped] Gosh, pirate posting white supremacist propaganda again. You're so edgy.
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Post by Okebournegas on Aug 14, 2017 11:08:15 GMT
I'm not racist my best friend is black
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Post by newmarketgas on Aug 14, 2017 11:09:00 GMT
I dislike the guy next door, I have told him so and any one that asks is told the same, not one person is really bothered about this. If the guy was " of colour " shall we say, I would be called a racist. Funny old world ain't it ? That is PC mad. Using terms like those alleged, that are derogatory to people - as you say, "of colour" is definitely a race issue. If you said you didn't like your neighbour because (for example) he was white, or German, or a Sikh, its YOU that has the problem. Sounds like you're condoning racism, which is nothing to do with PC. Are you calling me a racist ?
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Post by Baxtinho on Aug 14, 2017 11:14:18 GMT
Using terms like those alleged, that are derogatory to people - as you say, "of colour" is definitely a race issue. If you said you didn't like your neighbour because (for example) he was white, or German, or a Sikh, its YOU that has the problem. Sounds like you're condoning racism, which is nothing to do with PC. Are you calling me a racist ? Haha good one.
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Post by baggins on Aug 14, 2017 11:14:33 GMT
I'm not racist my best friend is black Are we even allowed to refer to them as black?
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Post by Baxtinho on Aug 14, 2017 11:16:05 GMT
Don't be so bloody pig-headed. You know damn well what the difference is. Whether you have crude, "yer da", 1970's views in your own home - which I guess you do, you simply CANNOT say things like that in this day and age. Exactly my point, you can't say things like that yet what have I actually said that is offensive? I don't really know what the difference is and I'm more than happy for you to explain it to me. I don't know what this "yer da" thing is that you're referring to. But I have never racially abused anyone in my life and I know that one day I will lay on my death bed and say the same thing. Genuine racism is unacceptable and I do not condone it whatsoever. But as said previously in the thread, people (including myself) are constantly treading on eggshells about what can and can't be said for fear of being labelled a "racist". If you genuinely can't see what the problem with calling someone a "Paki" is, I have no interest in continuing this line of conversation.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 11:16:43 GMT
I heard it at Charlton. Unbelievable really. And all the mealy mother excuses for this stuff is just as unbelievable. I am not walking on eggshells at all. Anyone who refers to me in foul language about my colour, race or creed is a racist, pure and simple. To me personally or anyone else.Accusing others of PC madness is just an excuse. As is the charge made at authorities for not chasing down, naming and shaming paedophiles, its not PC, its incompetence.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 14, 2017 11:17:18 GMT
I'm not racist my best friend is black I'm not sexist, I'm married.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 11:17:47 GMT
Racism is abhorant. But for me, why are certain forms of abuse put on pedestals compared to others? Shouldn't all abuse be deemed equal? It all depends on the individual on the receiving end of it. Its OK to abuse or make jokes about people being ugly, fat, ginger, even disabilities can be joked about or seem to be open to abuse. But race and sexual preference seem to be above everything else. Its a bit like the Islamo-fascism around now too, where as other religions can be criticized or talked about but Islam can not without be being deemed a racist or bigot. All abuse should be judged the same, surely? Again, I completely agree and I think it's a case of certain races or certain people almost wanting to be offended. If I were to be in a public interview and I called a Scottish man a "Scot" or an Australian an "Aussie", nobody would bat an eyelid. But if I called a Pakistani man a "Paki", I would be crucified. What's the difference? Why not Pakistani? You know the difference
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Post by William Wilson on Aug 14, 2017 11:19:51 GMT
Really? If someone's a racist, they're a racist. PC doesn't even come in to it. I think you can be unintentionally racist or at the very least use racist terms due to ignorance. It's very hard to keep up with what's acceptable these days. Black Brown Coloured Ethnic I'm not even sure myself but I think at least one if not all four of the above would be considered inappropriate. People are walking on eggshells, frightened of saying anything incase they are labelled racist/homophobic/sexist etc. The use of language itself may not be racist if there was no intent to actually discriminate despite being labelled as such. Dont think that's the issue here, but just saying PC doesn't always mean right. Agree absolutely, Hugo.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 14, 2017 11:21:37 GMT
I heard it at Charlton. Unbelievable really. And all the mealy mother excuses for this stuff is just as unbelievable. I am not walking on eggshells at all. Anyone who refers to me in foul language about my colour, race or creed is a racist, pure and simple. To me personally or anyone else.Accusing others of PC madness is just an excuse. As is the charge made at authorities for not chasing down, naming and shaming paedophiles, its not PC, its incompetence. Stamping out racism is never PC madness, the point I raised rather nievely was that sometimes people use the PC argument to go after the wrong things which detractors and racists then use to discredit the 'PC movement'. I should know better than to raise that sort of issue on here.
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Post by pirate on Aug 14, 2017 11:26:47 GMT
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Aug 14, 2017 11:28:06 GMT
Exactly my point, you can't say things like that yet what have I actually said that is offensive? I don't really know what the difference is and I'm more than happy for you to explain it to me. I don't know what this "yer da" thing is that you're referring to. But I have never racially abused anyone in my life and I know that one day I will lay on my death bed and say the same thing. Genuine racism is unacceptable and I do not condone it whatsoever. But as said previously in the thread, people (including myself) are constantly treading on eggshells about what can and can't be said for fear of being labelled a "racist". If you genuinely can't see what the problem with calling someone a "Paki" is, I have no interest in continuing this line of conversation. Well you've labelled me pig-headed (which I have taken offense to) yet you haven't really given me an argument in your favour. I've told you that I'm unsure of what the problem is and invited you to educate me. Is it because people have used it in a derogatory manner in the past as tommym9 said? You obviously think I'm trying to be funny or offensive and I'm genuinely not. Maybe I'm just young and naive. I've only ever lived in a time where this country has a lot of different ethnicities and any form of racism is deemed totally unacceptable and I completely support that. However, I also think there are a lot of double standards with this sort of thing and I hear people being labelled "racists" when I personally haven't heard them say anything that is actually offensive.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 14, 2017 11:29:22 GMT
Any dissemination of the information you are posting or just quoting other people's thoughts?
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Aug 14, 2017 11:29:54 GMT
I am genuinely shocked and actually quite appalled by some of the comments in here.
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Aug 14, 2017 11:31:50 GMT
Really? If someone's a racist, they're a racist. PC doesn't even come in to it. I think you can be unintentionally racist or at the very least use racist terms due to ignorance. It's very hard to keep up with what's acceptable these days. Black Brown Coloured Ethnic I'm not even sure myself but I think at least one if not all four of the above would be considered inappropriate. People are walking on eggshells, frightened of saying anything incase they are labelled racist/homophobic/sexist etc. The use of language itself may not be racist if there was no intent to actually discriminate despite being labelled as such. Dont think that's the issue here, but just saying PC doesn't always mean right. I find this post particularly worrying. if you seriously cannot work out which words in your list are acceptable and which are not then I think we are doomed!
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Post by newmarketgas on Aug 14, 2017 11:36:14 GMT
Are you calling me a racist ? Haha good one. Ha Ha Ha ..........Explain the YOU, then ?
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