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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 14, 2017 13:17:18 GMT
I notice his contract was undisclosed. Why is this? How long is it? Is it possible that DC only gave him year to prove himself and if he didn't deliver then he has been told he will be released next summer.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Aug 14, 2017 13:25:59 GMT
DC normally leaves contract lengths undisclosed for whatever reason. I think Ellis's contract only being one year long is more a probability than a possibility> I think most of the contracts we offer these days are only one year, and Ellis certainly needs to prove with his performances this year whether he is worthy of keeping hold of in the future or not.
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Post by peterparker on Aug 14, 2017 13:32:44 GMT
I notice his contract was undisclosed. Why is this? How long is it? Is it possible that DC only gave him year to prove himself and if he didn't deliver then he has been told he will be released next summer. the same reason everyone elses are
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 13:46:25 GMT
Needs to go out on loan till christmas to build his confidence back up, which IMO I think is the main issue with Ellis he done well when he was at Hartlepool I thinking he is lacking that little bit of confidence, we all know what he's capable off when he's at his best but its getting it on a week in week out basis and not just a handfull of games. The fans are just as much to blame for his lack of confidence in front of goal, it's surprising the knock on effect it can have on player with fans giving him grief think we need to get behind him more he wears the quarters enough said.
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Post by whoblue on Aug 14, 2017 14:04:46 GMT
I notice his contract was undisclosed. Why is this? How long is it? Is it possible that DC only gave him year to prove himself and if he didn't deliver then he has been told he will be released next summer. 'only gave him a year to prove himself...' how many years/ seasons does he need?
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Post by newmarketgas on Aug 14, 2017 14:11:58 GMT
Ellis has ability but is stuck between a super sub and starting games. I think he is far better as a sub for last 20 minutes but I am guessing he feels he should be starting games. I think a few games as sub and a few goals later he might feel a sub is a great job, same pay less running around ! Win win in my book.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 14:21:16 GMT
Why do some fans have such an obsession about Ellis? Maybe we need a new catchphrase- "In DC we trust - apart from when it concerns Ellis".
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 14, 2017 14:28:56 GMT
Why do some fans have such an obsession about Ellis? Maybe we need a new catchphrase- "In DC we trust - apart from when it concerns Ellis". Obsession? I wouldn't go that far but I think he is less proven than others. He consistently underperforms. I trust DC but don't have to agree with everything he says or does. He made a mistake starting Ellis Saturday and if he starts him again vs Bury then that will be another mistake.
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Post by knowall on Aug 14, 2017 14:30:48 GMT
Ellis has ability but is stuck between a super sub and starting games. I think he is far better as a sub for last 20 minutes but I am guessing he feels he should be starting games. I think a few games as sub and a few goals later he might feel a sub is a great job, same pay less running around ! Win win in my book someone needs to tell Ellis because he has been a success as super-sub and that has been important to our progression from Conference to league. When he comes on later in games he has the energy, speed etc to win matches
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Post by peterparker on Aug 14, 2017 14:32:56 GMT
Why do some fans have such an obsession about Ellis? Maybe we need a new catchphrase- "In DC we trust - apart from when it concerns Ellis". Obsession? I wouldn't go that far but I think he is less proven than others. He consistently underperforms. I trust DC but don't have to agree with everything he says or does. He made a mistake starting Ellis Saturday and if he starts him again vs Bury then that will be another mistake. I think Ellis gets a disproportionate amount of stick and/or anything to do with him is questioned
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Post by newmarketgas on Aug 14, 2017 14:33:52 GMT
Ellis has ability but is stuck between a super sub and starting games. I think he is far better as a sub for last 20 minutes but I am guessing he feels he should be starting games. I think a few games as sub and a few goals later he might feel a sub is a great job, same pay less running around ! Win win in my book someone needs to tell Ellis because he has been a success as super-sub and that has been important to our progression from Conference to league. When he comes on later in games he has the energy, speed etc to win matches Spot on, most clubs would kill for a super sub type player.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 14, 2017 14:39:03 GMT
Obsession? I wouldn't go that far but I think he is less proven than others. He consistently underperforms. I trust DC but don't have to agree with everything he says or does. He made a mistake starting Ellis Saturday and if he starts him again vs Bury then that will be another mistake. I think Ellis gets a disproportionate amount of stick and/or anything to do with him is questioned
The thing is. Others that play badly have played well so often before. Ellis rarely has a very good game. I don't see what he brings to the table. He doesn't win much in the air, he can't hold he ball up, he goes down too easily instead of challenging for the ball. He doesn't create chances, he rarely scores or looks like scoring, he doesn't work hard. He's not particularly quick. He's not mentally strong. His best attribute is probably defending set pieces. I think we will cut our losses with him this season. He has too much hard work to do to turn our fan base around now I feel. I hope he fulfils his potential but I highly doubt it and suspect he will be playing for a league 2 side next season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 14:50:36 GMT
If he had any sort of consistency he wouldn't generate so much discussion.
Think it's fairly obvious why he does.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 14, 2017 14:51:45 GMT
If he had any sort of consistency he wouldn't generate so much discussion. Think it's fairly obvious why he does. Spot on. Blind faith for anyone to say otherwise.
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Post by peterparker on Aug 14, 2017 14:52:06 GMT
I think Ellis gets a disproportionate amount of stick and/or anything to do with him is questioned
The thing is. Others that play badly have played well so often before. Ellis rarely has a very good game. I don't see what he brings to the table. He doesn't win much in the air, he can't hold he ball up, he goes down too easily instead of challenging for the ball. He doesn't create chances, he rarely scores or looks like scoring, he doesn't work hard. He's not particularly quick. He's not mentally strong. His best attribute is probably defending set pieces. I think we will cut our losses with him this season. He has too much hard work to do to turn our fan base around now I feel. I hope he fulfils his potential but I highly doubt it and suspect he will be playing for a league 2 side next season. personally I think people are blinkered with Ellis with some perceived lazy tag and/or so say not playing well regularly enough.
If he was that lazy, he wouldn't get in a DC team and his defensive work (often ignored by most) would counter the lazy tag
Tuesday night people were still criticising him despite being no better or worse than the rest of the team and actually scoring. People never say he had an ok game, or he was as good as anyone else. Unless the lad has a blinder, some people will say he wasn't good enough full stop.
I am not saying there aren't times he doesn't deserve criticism, but to me it seems like the bloke can't do right for doing wrong. Some people must be obsessed to end up with bollox like slagging him off, for daring to watch City with his mates for instance
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 14:56:09 GMT
I have nothing personal against Ellis, just don't think he's top 6 L1 quality.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 14, 2017 14:57:58 GMT
The thing is. Others that play badly have played well so often before. Ellis rarely has a very good game. I don't see what he brings to the table. He doesn't win much in the air, he can't hold he ball up, he goes down too easily instead of challenging for the ball. He doesn't create chances, he rarely scores or looks like scoring, he doesn't work hard. He's not particularly quick. He's not mentally strong. His best attribute is probably defending set pieces. I think we will cut our losses with him this season. He has too much hard work to do to turn our fan base around now I feel. I hope he fulfils his potential but I highly doubt it and suspect he will be playing for a league 2 side next season. personally I think people are blinkered with Ellis with some perceived lazy tag and/or so say not playing well regularly enough.
If he was that lazy, he wouldn't get in a DC team and his defensive work (often ignored by most) would counter the lazy tag
Tuesday night people were still criticising him despite being no better or worse than the rest of the team and actually scoring. People never say he had an ok game, or he was as good as anyone else. Unless the lad has a blinder, some people will say he wasn't good enough full stop.
I am not saying there aren't times he doesn't deserve criticism, but to me it seems like the bloke can't do right for doing wrong. Some people must be obsessed to end up with bollox like slagging him off, for daring to watch City with his mates for instance
I don't really care what he does in his private life and not here to debate that. What I am debating is that Ellis is not good enough to be a regular in a league one side. As for being lazy or not. I've seen lazier players but he doesn't work hard enough at times. You can get away with that if you're producing i.e Taylor, Messi etc. (Did I really just nae that comparison!) The trouble is, Ellis rarely produces. Even when you aren't playing well, if you chase hard then the oppostion will make mistakes. It was evident at Charlton when Gaffney came on. He didn't do anything special but once or twice he chased the ball down and Charlton panicked and made a mistake.
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 14, 2017 15:47:05 GMT
Needs to go out on loan till christmas to build his confidence back up, which IMO I think is the main issue with Ellis he done well when he was at Hartlepool I thinking he is lacking that little bit of confidence, we all know what he's capable off when he's at his best but its getting it on a week in week out basis and not just a handfull of games. The fans are just as much to blame for his lack of confidence in front of goal, it's surprising the knock on effect it can have on player with fans giving him grief think we need to get behind him more he wears the quarters enough said. Did he do well at Hartlepool? He only played 2 games, before getting injured and sent back to us. I agree about sending him on loan again, in new surroundings to see if he really has got the minerals to be a consistent performer. Ellis is the most frustrating player ive seen play for Rovers, on his day hes unplayable, but his day is 1 or 2 games. He's no use to us, having 1 or 2 good games a season and being poor for the majority of the others.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 17:37:25 GMT
When was Ellis last at his best for a whole game? (Before Northampton) Get rid!
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Aug 14, 2017 18:56:24 GMT
The first thread when he does go will be - Ellis Harrison WYHHB - you heard it here first
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