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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 8, 2017 6:58:07 GMT
I think it's pretty obvious that whilst Wael and Co (probably) did due diligence on the football club, they either failed to do so on the proposed UWE deal, or did a pretty crap job of doing so. I wonder if this is why two of the original consultants employed by the club have now disappeared amid rumours of legal action. The reality is, that much like the last 40 or so years, we are no nearer to a decent stadium than we were since Eastville. I like Wael, but in reality, what has he said which convinces anyone that we will end up with the stadium we all want, wherever it may be? We have had soundbite after soundbite, and the local EPost making about 20 stories from a 10 minute interview with Wael. Sorry, but I don't believe anything positive on the stadium front is going to be generated by our current owners. Why after years of the same promises being made by owner after owner, do people think Wael is the Messiah? I think he would like to be, but his family have put the block on it big time. As for blaming whoever for the debacle over a new stadium, all we have been told is that UWE kept moving the goalposts on detail we thought had been agreed. So much for secrecy then. If that is the reason, actually come out and confirm that that is the reason. Don't hide behind secrecy, as if the aforementioned is the reason, you have already breached it. If it's not, then we have been lied too. I personally don't believe that not meeting a deadline WE have imposed is the reason to throw away hundreds of thousands of pounds of effort in trying to close the deal. It is much simpler than that. The money is not there and whoever was putting up the funding has got cold feet. As for UWE, they say they don't know why we have walked away. It strikes me that after being fed bullsh*t by various owners for 40 years plus, I can't believe how easily many people on here are prepared to believe yet more dubious reasons put out by our owners, with nothing to back it up, except to say ' we can't say more as it is subject to a secrecy agreement. Being kept in the dark and fed like mushrooms comes to mind. I'm at the point where I don't believe a word NH, WAQ or UWE have said.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 7:16:08 GMT
As Nick Higgs co-directors did not know the insides and out then it is not surprising the Al-Qadi's did not know. In due course the truth will out - and that should be within six to twelve months. A major portfolio of an (International) Investment Bank is to advise clients and if required undertake due diligence on their behalf with proposed Mergers and/or Aquisitions as I'm sure you well know. I cannot believe that anyone including NH could (even if he wanted to - and I don't believe he did) try to pull the wool over the eyes of these so called professionals - particularly when the due diligence directly affects the buyer themselves. Blaming NH for everything that seems to have gone wrong with UWE is a smokescreen IMO. NH I feel, brokered the best deal he felt he could at the time for BRFC. With hindsight it may not have been the best deal - time will tell in the not too distant future I'm sure.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 8, 2017 7:42:04 GMT
I think it's pretty obvious that whilst Wael and Co (probably) did due diligence on the football club, they either failed to do so on the proposed UWE deal, or did a pretty crap job of doing so. I wonder if this is why two of the original consultants employed by the club have now disappeared amid rumours of legal action. The reality is, that much like the last 40 or so years, we are no nearer to a decent stadium than we were since Eastville. I like Wael, but in reality, what has he said which convinces anyone that we will end up with the stadium we all want, wherever it may be? We have had soundbite after soundbite, and the local EPost making about 20 stories from a 10 minute interview with Wael. Sorry, but I don't believe anything positive on the stadium front is going to be generated by our current owners. Why after years of the same promises being made by owner after owner, do people think Wael is the Messiah? I think he would like to be, but his family have put the block on it big time. As for blaming whoever for the debacle over a new stadium, all we have been told is that UWE kept moving the goalposts on detail we thought had been agreed. So much for secrecy then. If that is the reason, actually come out and confirm that that is the reason. Don't hide behind secrecy, as if the aforementioned is the reason, you have already breached it. If it's not, then we have been lied too. I personally don't believe that not meeting a deadline WE have imposed is the reason to throw away hundreds of thousands of pounds of effort in trying to close the deal. It is much simpler than that. The money is not there and whoever was putting up the funding has got cold feet. As for UWE, they say they don't know why we have walked away. It strikes me that after being fed bullsh*t by various owners for 40 years plus, I can't believe how easily many people on here are prepared to believe yet more dubious reasons put out by our owners, with nothing to back it up, except to say ' we can't say more as it is subject to a secrecy agreement. Being kept in the dark and fed like mushrooms comes to mind. I keep reading that the "family" have put a block on any future investment, but what proof, if any exists ? What i do see proof of is further investment in new players, new background staff, development squad and a nice new contract for DC oh and some sh** covers for our wheelchair supporters
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Sept 8, 2017 7:49:21 GMT
As Nick Higgs co-directors did not know the insides and out then it is not surprising the Al-Qadi's did not know. In due course the truth will out - and that should be within six to twelve months. A major portfolio of an (International) Investment Bank is to advise clients and if required undertake due diligence on their behalf with proposed Mergers and/or Aquisitions as I'm sure you well know. I cannot believe that anyone including NH could (even if he wanted to - and I don't believe he did) try to pull the wool over the eyes of these so called professionals - particularly when the due diligence directly affects the buyer themselves. Blaming NH for everything that seems to have gone wrong with UWE is a smokescreen IMO. NH I feel, brokered the best deal he felt he could at the time for BRFC. With hindsight it may not have been the best deal - time will tell in the not too distant future I'm sure. I think that's exactly it, we were in a pretty desperate situation and that deal may have been a decent one for the club that put is in a better situation than staying at the mem. Now Wael has come in and he has more ambitions and wants even more for the club than just a "decent" deal. Nick Higgs gets a bit too much stick imo. He didn't have a very successful period at the club but lets be honest, that was because he just wasn't very good, he is a gashead and never wanted anything but the best for the club. Without the deal he struck with the UWE he probably wouldn't have attracted Wael's interest. He also said that he would only sell up if it was to someone that wanted the best for the club, and I believe that he has done that successfully. For that, i think he deserves a lot of credit.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 8, 2017 8:01:03 GMT
A major portfolio of an (International) Investment Bank is to advise clients and if required undertake due diligence on their behalf with proposed Mergers and/or Aquisitions as I'm sure you well know. I cannot believe that anyone including NH could (even if he wanted to - and I don't believe he did) try to pull the wool over the eyes of these so called professionals - particularly when the due diligence directly affects the buyer themselves. Blaming NH for everything that seems to have gone wrong with UWE is a smokescreen IMO. NH I feel, brokered the best deal he felt he could at the time for BRFC. With hindsight it may not have been the best deal - time will tell in the not too distant future I'm sure. I think that's exactly it, we were in a pretty desperate situation and that deal may have been a decent one for the club that put is in a better situation than staying at the mem. Now Wael has come in and he has more ambitions and wants even more for the club than just a "decent" deal.Nick Higgs gets a bit too much stick imo. He didn't have a very successful period at the club but lets be honest, that was because he just wasn't very good, he is a gashead and never wanted anything but the best for the club. Without the deal he struck with the UWE he probably wouldn't have attracted Wael's interest. He also said that he would only sell up if it was to someone that wanted the best for the club, and I believe that he has done that successfully. For that, i think he deserves a lot of credit. When will you wake up and smell the coffee? There's not a shred of evidence Wael has any financial backing to build a new stadium, if he did surely he wouldn't leave DC trying to fill a gap in the squad where we've no decent left winger plus actually give him a top 6 budget and not let his chairman sprout nonsense about him having one this season.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 8, 2017 8:06:46 GMT
I think it's pretty obvious that whilst Wael and Co (probably) did due diligence on the football club, they either failed to do so on the proposed UWE deal, or did a pretty crap job of doing so. I wonder if this is why two of the original consultants employed by the club have now disappeared amid rumours of legal action. The reality is, that much like the last 40 or so years, we are no nearer to a decent stadium than we were since Eastville. I like Wael, but in reality, what has he said which convinces anyone that we will end up with the stadium we all want, wherever it may be? We have had soundbite after soundbite, and the local EPost making about 20 stories from a 10 minute interview with Wael. Sorry, but I don't believe anything positive on the stadium front is going to be generated by our current owners. Why after years of the same promises being made by owner after owner, do people think Wael is the Messiah? I think he would like to be, but his family have put the block on it big time. As for blaming whoever for the debacle over a new stadium, all we have been told is that UWE kept moving the goalposts on detail we thought had been agreed. So much for secrecy then. If that is the reason, actually come out and confirm that that is the reason. Don't hide behind secrecy, as if the aforementioned is the reason, you have already breached it. If it's not, then we have been lied too. I personally don't believe that not meeting a deadline WE have imposed is the reason to throw away hundreds of thousands of pounds of effort in trying to close the deal. It is much simpler than that. The money is not there and whoever was putting up the funding has got cold feet. As for UWE, they say they don't know why we have walked away. It strikes me that after being fed bullsh*t by various owners for 40 years plus, I can't believe how easily many people on here are prepared to believe yet more dubious reasons put out by our owners, with nothing to back it up, except to say ' we can't say more as it is subject to a secrecy agreement. Being kept in the dark and fed like mushrooms comes to mind. I keep reading that the "family" have put a block on any future investment, but what proof, if any exists ? What i do see proof of is further investment in new players, new background staff, development squad and a nice new contract for DC oh and some sh** covers for our wheelchair supporters But is it actual investment of Wael simply using the money the club is generating from mathc day income etc, plus adding £1m+ p.a. to the club's debts? Not really sure why we need a development squad when it seems fairly easy to pick up the likes of Taylor & Bodin unless Wael sees that as the way forward like Brentford are attempting to do.
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Post by peterparker on Sept 8, 2017 8:20:05 GMT
Nick Higgs for agreeing to such a poor deal for the club in the LONG run. Wael is looking in the LONG run for a sustainable not some short gain, long pain deal NH maybe at fault for a lot of things Henbury, but not for the ALQ's withdrawal from the UWE deal. I can't believe that they did not know the insides & out of the UWE deal before the takeover. They were promising that we needed a new stadium to progress & a long term future as a club, from day one - although only ever seemed 'warm' on the UWE build. Then spent 18 months to decide it was not worth it. What has changed? My opinion is that it wasn't right for the ALQ's & any investors, first & foremost, maybe due to change of economic climate & risk resulting from Brexit vote, or maybe just because they couldn't strike a deal with UWE over the land. Maybe they possibly underestimated UWE as an organisation & got pi**ed off? Who knows? The only thing kmown for sure is the amateurish way the news was broken. For some, myself included, who had been 'supportive' of patience, towards the ALQ's, now feel they need to see more than words from our owners - yes Backroom staff, Development Squad, Land purchased for the future plans of a Training ground has been put in place, but this can be dismantled just as quickly as it's been put in place. If we are to attract players (youngsters or otherwise) & future fans we need to provide a Stadium, suitable for the 21st Century. We need this sooner than later or there won't be any Long run for the club. I thought Nick 'watertight contract' Higgs said there was no official deal with UWE anyway. If there wasn't an official deal, hoe can you know the in's and outs? Back when the Al-Qadi's took over they insinuated about 'things in cupboards' as it were. Who knows what Nick Higgs and T.Watola told them
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Sept 8, 2017 8:23:56 GMT
I think that's exactly it, we were in a pretty desperate situation and that deal may have been a decent one for the club that put is in a better situation than staying at the mem. Now Wael has come in and he has more ambitions and wants even more for the club than just a "decent" deal.Nick Higgs gets a bit too much stick imo. He didn't have a very successful period at the club but lets be honest, that was because he just wasn't very good, he is a gashead and never wanted anything but the best for the club. Without the deal he struck with the UWE he probably wouldn't have attracted Wael's interest. He also said that he would only sell up if it was to someone that wanted the best for the club, and I believe that he has done that successfully. For that, i think he deserves a lot of credit. When will you wake up and smell the coffee? There's not a shred of evidence Wael has any financial backing to build a new stadium, if he did surely he wouldn't leave DC trying to fill a gap in the squad where we've no decent left winger plus actually give him a top 6 budget and not let his chairman sprout nonsense about him having one this season. DC said he tried a couple of players but there was nothing out there, do you not believe him?? Wael has never said once that he's going to splash money on players so where you've got the idea that he's going to break the bank to sign a left winger I don't know. I believe Wael is trying to build the club in the right way and that isn't going to happen overnight. About ten years ago QPR got bought out by the 4th richest family in the world and everyone got so excited about it. They came in and spent a fortune on players to get them straight into the Premiership and everyone thought they were going to be the next Chelsea/Man City. Where are they 10 years later?? No better off than they were before the takeover. I'm glad we are not taking that approach under our new owners.
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Post by peterparker on Sept 8, 2017 8:25:21 GMT
I think it's pretty obvious that whilst Wael and Co (probably) did due diligence on the football club, they either failed to do so on the proposed UWE deal, or did a pretty crap job of doing so. I wonder if this is why two of the original consultants employed by the club have now disappeared amid rumours of legal action. The reality is, that much like the last 40 or so years, we are no nearer to a decent stadium than we were since Eastville. I like Wael, but in reality, what has he said which convinces anyone that we will end up with the stadium we all want, wherever it may be? We have had soundbite after soundbite, and the local EPost making about 20 stories from a 10 minute interview with Wael. Sorry, but I don't believe anything positive on the stadium front is going to be generated by our current owners. Why after years of the same promises being made by owner after owner, do people think Wael is the Messiah? I think he would like to be, but his family have put the block on it big time. As for blaming whoever for the debacle over a new stadium, all we have been told is that UWE kept moving the goalposts on detail we thought had been agreed. So much for secrecy then. If that is the reason, actually come out and confirm that that is the reason. Don't hide behind secrecy, as if the aforementioned is the reason, you have already breached it. If it's not, then we have been lied too. I personally don't believe that not meeting a deadline WE have imposed is the reason to throw away hundreds of thousands of pounds of effort in trying to close the deal. It is much simpler than that. The money is not there and whoever was putting up the funding has got cold feet. As for UWE, they say they don't know why we have walked away. It strikes me that after being fed bullsh*t by various owners for 40 years plus, I can't believe how easily many people on here are prepared to believe yet more dubious reasons put out by our owners, with nothing to back it up, except to say ' we can't say more as it is subject to a secrecy agreement. Being kept in the dark and fed like mushrooms comes to mind.
Dwane have said they thought they agreed stuff and UWE changed their minds on more than one occasion. Dwane got annoyed at issued a deadline (called UWE's bluff) and it wasn't met
is that being secretive? Do they need to say more? on that statement it's pretty clear why we pulled out. It's up to anyone to decide whether they believe that official line or not?
We apparently can't trust NH, WAQ and BRFC, but are expected to take what UWE say at face value are we? UWE are hardly going to admit they fecked up if they did, or perhaps UWE don't really want it anymore and our trying to portray the victim?
I am sceptical about the whole thing
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 8, 2017 8:31:04 GMT
I think that's exactly it, we were in a pretty desperate situation and that deal may have been a decent one for the club that put is in a better situation than staying at the mem. Now Wael has come in and he has more ambitions and wants even more for the club than just a "decent" deal.Nick Higgs gets a bit too much stick imo. He didn't have a very successful period at the club but lets be honest, that was because he just wasn't very good, he is a gashead and never wanted anything but the best for the club. Without the deal he struck with the UWE he probably wouldn't have attracted Wael's interest. He also said that he would only sell up if it was to someone that wanted the best for the club, and I believe that he has done that successfully. For that, i think he deserves a lot of credit. When will you wake up and smell the coffee? There's not a shred of evidence Wael has any financial backing to build a new stadium, if he did surely he wouldn't leave DC trying to fill a gap in the squad where we've no decent left winger plus actually give him a top 6 budget and not let his chairman sprout nonsense about him having one this season. There is also not a shred of evidence they haven't got the money. There is no evidence of anything at all!! Quite an achievement.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 8, 2017 8:34:01 GMT
A major portfolio of an (International) Investment Bank is to advise clients and if required undertake due diligence on their behalf with proposed Mergers and/or Aquisitions as I'm sure you well know. I cannot believe that anyone including NH could (even if he wanted to - and I don't believe he did) try to pull the wool over the eyes of these so called professionals - particularly when the due diligence directly affects the buyer themselves. Blaming NH for everything that seems to have gone wrong with UWE is a smokescreen IMO. NH I feel, brokered the best deal he felt he could at the time for BRFC. With hindsight it may not have been the best deal - time will tell in the not too distant future I'm sure. Nick Higgs gets a bit too much stick imo. He didn't have a very successful period at the club but lets be honest, that was because he just wasn't very good You've answered your own question there.
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Post by gasincider on Sept 8, 2017 8:42:05 GMT
There is also not a shred of evidence they haven't got the money. There is no evidence of anything at all!! Quite an achievement. Probably due to that old chestnut ' lack of communication'.
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Post by peterparker on Sept 8, 2017 8:43:05 GMT
I think it's pretty obvious that whilst Wael and Co (probably) did due diligence on the football club, they either failed to do so on the proposed UWE deal, or did a pretty crap job of doing so. I wonder if this is why two of the original consultants employed by the club have now disappeared amid rumours of legal action. The reality is, that much like the last 40 or so years, we are no nearer to a decent stadium than we were since Eastville. I like Wael, but in reality, what has he said which convinces anyone that we will end up with the stadium we all want, wherever it may be? We have had soundbite after soundbite, and the local EPost making about 20 stories from a 10 minute interview with Wael. Sorry, but I don't believe anything positive on the stadium front is going to be generated by our current owners. Why after years of the same promises being made by owner after owner, do people think Wael is the Messiah? I think he would like to be, but his family have put the block on it big time. As for blaming whoever for the debacle over a new stadium, all we have been told is that UWE kept moving the goalposts on detail we thought had been agreed. So much for secrecy then. If that is the reason, actually come out and confirm that that is the reason. Don't hide behind secrecy, as if the aforementioned is the reason, you have already breached it. If it's not, then we have been lied too. I personally don't believe that not meeting a deadline WE have imposed is the reason to throw away hundreds of thousands of pounds of effort in trying to close the deal. It is much simpler than that. The money is not there and whoever was putting up the funding has got cold feet. As for UWE, they say they don't know why we have walked away. It strikes me that after being fed bullsh*t by various owners for 40 years plus, I can't believe how easily many people on here are prepared to believe yet more dubious reasons put out by our owners, with nothing to back it up, except to say ' we can't say more as it is subject to a secrecy agreement. Being kept in the dark and fed like mushrooms comes to mind. I keep reading that the "family" have put a block on any future investment, but what proof, if any exists ? What i do see proof of is further investment in new players, new background staff, development squad and a nice new contract for DC oh and some sh** covers for our wheelchair supporters Or maybe the 'corridors of power'
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Post by gasincider on Sept 8, 2017 8:59:08 GMT
If nothing else, our owners have bought time. We all know nothing will happen at the Mem for years, if only because it takes years to get plans together and then years to get planning permission.
However, we have the training ground situation. How much longer will it take to get the pre planning sorted and then an application made? And only then do we really need to start spending money to develop the site.
Dependant on what quality of development (if any) we make there, will tell us all we need to know about any proposed fanciful redevelopment of the Mem.
The thing we all need to keep in mind is that we would need to be all seater at the Mem within 3 years if we made it to the championship. That alone would probably reduce our capacity to about 8000. Does anyone seriously believe
A) We could survive there with that capacity B) we will spend millions redeveloping the Mem to a minimum of say 15,000 to 20,000 capacity, which could only be done by turning the ground around. C) Our owners will sustain losses of millions in the meantime by playing at another venue for two years during the redevelopment. D) We would happily play at the veggie stadium or Cheltenham for two years and retain our fan base? Remember how crowds dropped when we went to Bath, which is only down the road.
I just cannot fathom how our owners after agreeing it was not viable to remain at the Mem, can now try to convince us that it is a goer. If that is the case, only they can carry the can for the UWE debacle, as they must have known the Mem was viable all along.
Sadly much as I hope I am wrong, I believe it is all pie in the sky.
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Post by peterparker on Sept 8, 2017 9:11:12 GMT
If nothing else, our owners have bought time. We all know nothing will happen at the Mem for years, if only because it takes years to get plans together and then years to get planning permission. However, we have the training ground situation. How much longer will it take to get the pre planning sorted and then an application made? And only then do we really need to start spending money to develop the site. Dependant on what quality of development (if any) we make there, will tell us all we need to know about any proposed fanciful redevelopment of the Mem. The thing we all need to keep in mind is that we would need to be all seater at the Mem within 3 years if we made it to the championship. That alone would probably reduce our capacity to about 8000. Does anyone seriously believe A) We could survive there with that capacity B) we will spend millions redeveloping the Mem to a minimum of say 15,000 to 20,000 capacity, which could only be done by turning the ground around. C) Our owners will sustain losses of millions in the meantime by playing at another venue for two years during the redevelopment. D) We would happily play at the veggie stadium or Cheltenham for two years and retain our fan base? Remember how crowds dropped when we went to Bath, which is only down the road. I just cannot fathom how our owners after agreeing it was not viable to remain at the Mem, can now try to convince us that it is a goer. If that is the case, only they can carry the can for the UWE debacle, as they must have known the Mem was viable all along. Sadly much as I hope I am wrong, I believe it is all pie in the sky. Why does The Mem need to be turned around, it wasnt on the previous plans?
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Post by Colyton Gas on Sept 8, 2017 9:21:26 GMT
Big fear is losing DC with no tangible infrastructure --only talk- something he said following the takeover we desperately needed to move forward.Just supposing we got to to Prem in 2 seasons-fantasy I know- but where would we play??
Think the Chairman's comments likening us to the Crazy Gang sums the situation up perfectly.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 8, 2017 9:23:23 GMT
Big fear is losing DC with no tangible infrastructure --only talk- something he said following the takeover we desperately needed to move forward.Just supposing we got to to Prem in 2 seasons-fantasy I know- but where would we play?? Think the Chairman's comments likening us to the Crazy Gang sums the situation up perfectly. Crazy?
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 8, 2017 9:32:17 GMT
When will you wake up and smell the coffee? There's not a shred of evidence Wael has any financial backing to build a new stadium, if he did surely he wouldn't leave DC trying to fill a gap in the squad where we've no decent left winger plus actually give him a top 6 budget and not let his chairman sprout nonsense about him having one this season. There is also not a shred of evidence they haven't got the money. There is no evidence of anything at all!! Quite an achievement. That's it in a nutshell Hugo, we know very little. We don't know anything apart from the withdrawal from the UWE. We know what Wael has said about the UWE "moving the goalposts," but nothing else. All the rest is conjecture, rumour and supposed recycled informormation from those allegedly itk. No factual information has been given so fans are left to speculate and boy can BRFC fans speculate! To be fair to the owners they have done what they said they would do through evolution and the fact that there has been no information should mean that things haven't changed but the UWE was massive news that the owners have miscalculated the reaction to. But even then when I say the reaction I'm talking about 100 (?) people on the forums who have been left puzzled, perhaps most others have said "b***** it, who are we playing Saturday?" and then moved on. So perhaps not a great number. I have said that the owners need to come out and give a statement about their vision/plans for a new ground, the position of the training ground and an idea about the future and as the weeks go on the need grows. As a fan I live in hope, not expectation. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 9:43:13 GMT
There is also not a shred of evidence they haven't got the money. There is no evidence of anything at all!! Quite an achievement. That's it in a nutshell Hugo, we know very little. We don't know anything apart from the withdrawal from the UWE. We know what Wael has said about the UWE "moving the goalposts," but nothing else. All the rest is conjecture, rumour and supposed recycled informormation from those allegedly itk. No factual information has been given so fans are left to speculate and boy can BRFC fans speculate! To be fair to the owners they have done what they said they would do through evolution and the fact that there has been no information should mean that things haven't changed but the UWE was massive news that the owners have miscalculated the reaction to. But even then when I say the reaction I'm talking about 100 (?) people on the forums who have been left puzzled, perhaps most others have said "b***** it, who are we playing Saturday?" and then moved on. So perhaps not a great number. I have said that the owners need to come out and give a statement about their vision/plans for a new ground, the position of the training ground and an idea about the future and as the weeks go on the need grows. As a fan I live in hope, not expectation. UTG! and it is the hope that is killing me. We have to face up to reality. The Mem will never be rebuilt completely. The numbers just do not add-up. NH knew that, and so do the AQ's. The Mem will only ever be a sh1t football stadium. If we do really well, we may have the odd season in the Championship, but we won't be able to stay there. The Colony may well be our new training centre, but it won't match anything else that is being mentioned. Cat 2 is just not going to happen. Where is the funding? Nothings going to change.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 8, 2017 9:56:21 GMT
That's it in a nutshell Hugo, we know very little. We don't know anything apart from the withdrawal from the UWE. We know what Wael has said about the UWE "moving the goalposts," but nothing else. All the rest is conjecture, rumour and supposed recycled informormation from those allegedly itk. No factual information has been given so fans are left to speculate and boy can BRFC fans speculate! To be fair to the owners they have done what they said they would do through evolution and the fact that there has been no information should mean that things haven't changed but the UWE was massive news that the owners have miscalculated the reaction to. But even then when I say the reaction I'm talking about 100 (?) people on the forums who have been left puzzled, perhaps most others have said "b***** it, who are we playing Saturday?" and then moved on. So perhaps not a great number. I have said that the owners need to come out and give a statement about their vision/plans for a new ground, the position of the training ground and an idea about the future and as the weeks go on the need grows. As a fan I live in hope, not expectation. UTG! and it is the hope that is killing me. We have to face up to reality. The Mem will never be rebuilt completely. The numbers just do not add-up. NH knew that, and so do the AQ's. The Mem will only ever be a sh1t football stadium. If we do really well, we may have the odd season in the Championship, but we won't be able to stay there. The Colony may well be our new training centre, but it won't match anything else that is being mentioned. Cat 2 is just not going to happen. Where is the funding? Nothings going to change. Morning my Fez empowered friend Keep taking the happy pills (or Beer) they will work one day As you can guess, they have worked for me.....
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