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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 13:28:32 GMT
BRFC (along with a large % of other clubs im sure) need someone to come in who can who has serious cash to inject on and off the pitch, or else we are no better off than when we had Higgs imo.
I'd love to know the real reasons Wael took over.
So you are not prepared to accept what Wael said his reasons were for buying the club? You quite obviously don't believe what he said, perhaps you could let us all know what you think his reasons for purchasing BRFC are.
I am honestly not sure of his intentions although why would you want to water money away on a club you have no connection with?
I can only think a lot hinged on the UWE deal as that would have been the only way this club could make any sort of money. Who knows what is to come now that has gone tits-up?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 8, 2017 13:34:39 GMT
So you are not prepared to accept what Wael said his reasons were for buying the club? You quite obviously don't believe what he said, perhaps you could let us all know what you think his reasons for purchasing BRFC are.
I am honestly not sure of his intentions although why would you want to water money away on a club you have no connection with?
I can only think a lot hinged on the UWE deal as that would have been the only way this club could make any sort of money. Who knows what is to come now that has gone tits-up?
If the UWE want this deal to go through they would have bent over backwards to get it over the line. Wael wanted the UWE to work but not at any cost. BTW i'm not sure the deal is dead yet because its all gone quiet re mem development
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 14:00:41 GMT
I am honestly not sure of his intentions although why would you want to water money away on a club you have no connection with?
I can only think a lot hinged on the UWE deal as that would have been the only way this club could make any sort of money. Who knows what is to come now that has gone tits-up?
If the UWE want this deal to go through they would have bent over backwards to get it over the line. Wael wanted the UWE to work but not at any cost. BTW i'm not sure the deal is dead yet because its all gone quiet re mem development
Its gone quiet as expected; in my eyes they had to issue a rushed explanation of the UWE situation due to the online leak so softening the blow was redeveloping the mem, which they clearly hadn't/havent thought through.
This may be part of a tactical masterplan to get the deal with UWE that they want, if they do then I will give credit where its due, but I am suspicious by nature so have my doubts.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 14:03:31 GMT
I am honestly not sure of his intentions although why would you want to water money away on a club you have no connection with?
I can only think a lot hinged on the UWE deal as that would have been the only way this club could make any sort of money. Who knows what is to come now that has gone tits-up?
If the UWE want this deal to go through they would have bent over backwards to get it over the line. Wael wanted the UWE to work but not at any cost. BTW i'm not sure the deal is dead yet because its all gone quiet re mem development Who in their right mind would ever want to " water money away on a club you have no connection with"? And then put up with all the hassle from the supporters of the said club! One thing it tells me is to never do the same thing even if I could afford it! As regards Henbury comments , would not be surprised if things are not going on in the background as regards UWE No doubt if the deal is resurrected, some on here will want to know why they were not kept in the loop by our owners.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 14:11:58 GMT
If the UWE want this deal to go through they would have bent over backwards to get it over the line. Wael wanted the UWE to work but not at any cost. BTW i'm not sure the deal is dead yet because its all gone quiet re mem development Who in their right mind would ever want to " water money away on a club you have no connection with"?And then put up with all the hassle from the supporters of the said club! One thing it tells me is to never do the same thing even if I could afford it! As regards Henbury comments , would not be surprised if things are not going on in the background as regards UWE No doubt if the deal is resurrected, some on here will want to know why they were not kept in the loop by our owners.
Many owners do, but Wael doesn't have the money to do this as a plaything like the others.
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 8, 2017 14:20:13 GMT
I am honestly not sure of his intentions although why would you want to water money away on a club you have no connection with?
I can only think a lot hinged on the UWE deal as that would have been the only way this club could make any sort of money. Who knows what is to come now that has gone tits-up?
If the UWE want this deal to go through they would have bent over backwards to get it over the line. Wael wanted the UWE to work but not at any cost. BTW i'm not sure the deal is dead yet because its all gone quiet re mem development It's gone quiet over everything! UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 14:38:04 GMT
Who in their right mind would ever want to " water money away on a club you have no connection with"?And then put up with all the hassle from the supporters of the said club! One thing it tells me is to never do the same thing even if I could afford it! As regards Henbury comments , would not be surprised if things are not going on in the background as regards UWE No doubt if the deal is resurrected, some on here will want to know why they were not kept in the loop by our owners.
Many owners do, but Wael doesn't have the money to do this as a plaything like the others.
You obviously know more about Waels financial position than I do? I would suggest not everyone who is wealthy is prepared to throw their money around like confetti.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 14:43:03 GMT
If the UWE want this deal to go through they would have bent over backwards to get it over the line. Wael wanted the UWE to work but not at any cost. BTW i'm not sure the deal is dead yet because its all gone quiet re mem development
Its gone quiet as expected; in my eyes they had to issue a rushed explanation of the UWE situation due to the online leak so softening the blow was redeveloping the mem, which they clearly hadn't/havent thought through.
This may be part of a tactical masterplan to get the deal with UWE that they want, if they do then I will give credit where its due, but I am suspicious by nature so have my doubts.
What I don't understand which has made me very suspicious is - when Wael announced formally that the deal was dead with UWE he stated that the money was still in place to regenerate the MEM. What credible investor would provide £10's of millions against a far riskier programme with no business plan in place - just doesn't stack up in my mind.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 14:47:33 GMT
Evolution still involves change..just in a step by step manner not everything overnight.
If you look at the UWE stadium...what did it have that would bring in income ? Were those things so gigantic they could not happen at the Mem site ?
The funding was based on the funders getting a certain return over a certain time frame. So long as this can still happen the funding source wont change.
What project has Bristol been pimping for years unsuccessfully ? the arena. Build a stadium with a sliding roof and the arena issue is mostly solved. Bristol council breathe a sigh of relief and the club get a big income source. The arena was going to be 10-12000 I think ,which would be just about right for the New Mem. Maybe its not possible...maybe it is ?
There is no evidence that future funding is not there or that a good stadium plan can not be developed for the New Mem.
Because everyone from GD, NH and the AQ's have said in the past that staying at the Mem is unsustainable if we want the club to progress. The income streams are just not there, so getting investment for large scale improvements are also not there. How can you have a Bristol Arena at the Mem? I think the Mem is allowed to have two concerts a year because it's bang in the middle of a load of houses! Yes staying at the Mem is unsustainable......As it is. I do remember everyone saying that too .The thing is part of that statement is saying to the stubborn people "we have to move and change or your Bristol rovers will die" its also saying to councils and the public the same thing.Throwing the "You will be to blame if the club folds so get behind our plans " Its also to do with the fact it is easier and cheaper to have a new build stadium. Don't forget the original plan was to redevelop the Mem and it was to be financed by the student accommodation,hotel ,shops and bars. The reason that didn't happen wasn't because the Mem wouldn't be sustainable but because the company funding the student accommodation changed their minds and pulled out. So that plan ended. If another company had come in with funding for it or another plan then that would have gone ahead.
The question still remains...what facilities that were in the UWE stadium can NOT be put into the New Mem ?
As for arena..the key is having a roof.That will keep the sound in better. The colston hall has hundreds of housing all around it as does many of the London venues. ps: go behind the colston hall and you will see it is a narrow lane separating the music venue from homes (20ft?)
Besides why are you limiting the arena to music concerts ? plenty of top comedians tour the big venues. As do top speakers.
I guess its about the council realising that they should build their communities and facilities "around" the top destinations in the city instead of seeing them as a problem. Like it or not Bristol rovers is one of the cities biggest entertainment venues /destinations. They should really be embracing this and looking to make the most of what they have. The Mem and county ground as close in proximity should be classed as a centre to build local infrastructure from. You make your top destinations as easy to get to as possible and offer as many other facilities and entertainments around them as possible. Would involve a progressive council/mayor though...and this is Bristol so I wont hold my breathe on that one !
Its like what Wael was inferring that the regenerating of the Mem should be seen as a massive positive for the local area. If it encourages better transport links and other desired activities then people will choose to live near it ,for all it and the area offers,
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 14:54:58 GMT
Its gone quiet as expected; in my eyes they had to issue a rushed explanation of the UWE situation due to the online leak so softening the blow was redeveloping the mem, which they clearly hadn't/havent thought through.
This may be part of a tactical masterplan to get the deal with UWE that they want, if they do then I will give credit where its due, but I am suspicious by nature so have my doubts.
What I don't understand which has made me very suspicious is - when Wael announced formally that the deal was dead with UWE he stated that the money was still in place to regenerate the MEM. What credible investor would provide £10's of millions against a far riskier programme with no business plan in place - just doesn't stack up in my mind.
Exactly what I thought and I think I said something similar when it first came out. I think some as so blinded by hope that these things tend to go by unnoticed
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 15:24:49 GMT
What I don't understand which has made me very suspicious is - when Wael announced formally that the deal was dead with UWE he stated that the money was still in place to regenerate the MEM. What credible investor would provide £10's of millions against a far riskier programme with no business plan in place - just doesn't stack up in my mind.
Exactly what I thought and I think I said something similar when it first came out. I think some as so blinded by hope that these things tend to go by unnoticed
I have no idea on the arrangements for these things but...consider.
When getting a mortgage for a house .What are the things the bank are most interested in ? Im guessing it is your ability to make the repayments . The value deposit you can put in . How long the loan is for .Then whether if repossession is required can the sale of the property cover their outlay. Those things don't really change whether its the Mem or UWE do they ? If anything repossessing the UWE wouldn't work as the land is owned by UWE and so have control over whats built on it. So if Dwane sports had to bail out the payments for Rovers for whatever reason they would be happier to do so on a property they owned than on one the uwe owned the land for.After all the Mem could always be sold off to housing or another project the UWE would be a different thing altogether.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Sept 8, 2017 23:02:25 GMT
Because everyone from GD, NH and the AQ's have said in the past that staying at the Mem is unsustainable if we want the club to progress. The income streams are just not there, so getting investment for large scale improvements are also not there. How can you have a Bristol Arena at the Mem? I think the Mem is allowed to have two concerts a year because it's bang in the middle of a load of houses! Yes staying at the Mem is unsustainable......As it is. I do remember everyone saying that too .The thing is part of that statement is saying to the stubborn people "we have to move and change or your Bristol rovers will die" its also saying to councils and the public the same thing.Throwing the "You will be to blame if the club folds so get behind our plans " Its also to do with the fact it is easier and cheaper to have a new build stadium. Don't forget the original plan was to redevelop the Mem and it was to be financed by the student accommodation,hotel ,shops and bars. The reason that didn't happen wasn't because the Mem wouldn't be sustainable but because the company funding the student accommodation changed their minds and pulled out. So that plan ended. If another company had come in with funding for it or another plan then that would have gone ahead.
The question still remains...what facilities that were in the UWE stadium can NOT be put into the New Mem ?
As for arena..the key is having a roof.That will keep the sound in better. The colston hall has hundreds of housing all around it as does many of the London venues. ps: go behind the colston hall and you will see it is a narrow lane separating the music venue from homes (20ft?)
Besides why are you limiting the arena to music concerts ? plenty of top comedians tour the big venues. As do top speakers.
I guess its about the council realising that they should build their communities and facilities "around" the top destinations in the city instead of seeing them as a problem. Like it or not Bristol rovers is one of the cities biggest entertainment venues /destinations. They should really be embracing this and looking to make the most of what they have. The Mem and county ground as close in proximity should be classed as a centre to build local infrastructure from. You make your top destinations as easy to get to as possible and offer as many other facilities and entertainments around them as possible. Would involve a progressive council/mayor though...and this is Bristol so I wont hold my breathe on that one !
Its like what Wael was inferring that the regenerating of the Mem should be seen as a massive positive for the local area. If it encourages better transport links and other desired activities then people will choose to live near it ,for all it and the area offers,
A redeveloped Mem with a retractable roof? That would be epic!
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Post by gaslife on Sept 9, 2017 3:54:57 GMT
Google: "What was the cost of the retractable roof at Wimbledon Centre Court?"
"The cost of the roof has not been disclosed by the Club, but is estimated at £80–£100 million. Another retractable roof is planned for No. 1 Court and due to be completed in 2019."
Yep, seems like another quite feasible idea for the old Horfield rugby ground. Suggest to Wael?
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Sept 9, 2017 6:43:14 GMT
Google: "What was the cost of the retractable roof at Wimbledon Centre Court?" "The cost of the roof has not been disclosed by the Club, but is estimated at £80–£100 million. Another retractable roof is planned for No. 1 Court and due to be completed in 2019." Yep, seems like another quite feasible idea for the old Horfield rugby ground. Suggest to Wael? I asked Wael and he said 'the finance is already in place'.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 9, 2017 6:54:48 GMT
Google: "What was the cost of the retractable roof at Wimbledon Centre Court?" "The cost of the roof has not been disclosed by the Club, but is estimated at £80–£100 million. Another retractable roof is planned for No. 1 Court and due to be completed in 2019." Yep, seems like another quite feasible idea for the old Horfield rugby ground. Suggest to Wael? I asked Wael and he said 'the finance is already in place'. Yeah but he can't be trusted. Haven't you been reading the forum recently?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 7:04:59 GMT
Have a look at the roof on the Commerzbank Arena
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 7:27:57 GMT
Sorry all you gasheads but wael and garden path comes to mind for me.
At least with Higgs we had one foot on the path lol
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 9, 2017 7:39:39 GMT
Sorry all you gasheads but wael and garden path comes to mind for me. At least with Higgs we had one foot on the path lol i was thinking more of the "Long and Winding road" Ok Hugo I'm Banned
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 7:44:14 GMT
Sorry all you gasheads but wael and garden path comes to mind for me. At least with Higgs we had one foot on the path lol i was thinking more of the "Long and Winding road" been on that road 55 years it never ends 🏃🏽 Ok Hugo I'm Banned
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 13:05:59 GMT
Google: "What was the cost of the retractable roof at Wimbledon Centre Court?" "The cost of the roof has not been disclosed by the Club, but is estimated at £80–£100 million. Another retractable roof is planned for No. 1 Court and due to be completed in 2019." Yep, seems like another quite feasible idea for the old Horfield rugby ground. Suggest to Wael? ...and the estimated cost of the 12000 seat Bristol arena was £91 million. a New Mem stadium might cost £50million Frankfurt stadium with retractable roof and 50,000 capacity (plus has other things onsite like swimming pool etc) £137million.
I am just suggesting that the £50m + £91m = £141million.....slightly more money than the twice as big retractable roof Frankfurt stadium.
So maybe a retractable roof stadium might cost £80million for say a 22000 football stadium that offered 16000 + concert places. Council get a bigger cheaper arena ,Rovers get a multipurpose stadium.
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