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Post by mehewmagic on Sept 29, 2017 11:05:18 GMT
To further this: Portsmouth - 3 conceded - 2 crosses, 1 run at defence Blackpool - 1 conceded - 1 long ball, striker unmarked Wigan - 3 conceded - 1 set piece, 1 cross, 1 run at defence Oldham - 3 conceded - 1 long shot, 2 play from wide, Walsall - 1 conceded - 1 corner Bradford - 3 conceded - 2 corners, 1 cross Fleetwood - 1 conceded - 1 cross Bury - 2 conceded - 1 corner, 1 cross Peterborough - 4 conceded - 2 crosses, 1 corner, 1 central goal Charlton - 1 conceded - 1 cross (free kick) I think it's fair to say where the issue liesEllis Harrison??
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Post by kivorover on Sept 29, 2017 11:57:06 GMT
In my opinion the central defensive partnership should be Sweeney and Broadbent this would a paring of gentlemen both of whom have considerable substance, and well capable of sorting out ant rock and roll by the opponents. Forget that they are both left footed, in the clubs history we have on plenty of occasions had central defence partnerships where both defenders have been right footed. As Knowall said earlier in this thread, why can't we have players that can kick with both feet? Then the central defensive pairing dilemma is less complicated. Agreed!! Broadbent and Sweeney on current form. Many top clubs and National sides have had both central defenders either both left footed or both right footed. Oh yes players who can kick with both feet!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2017 12:51:29 GMT
As Knowall said earlier in this thread, why can't we have players that can kick with both feet? Then the central defensive pairing dilemma is less complicated. Agreed!! Broadbent and Sweeney on current form. Many top clubs and National sides have had both central defenders either both left footed or both right footed. Oh yes players who can kick with both feet!!! Some posts are sillier than silly. Almost every player ever in history has a stronger foot. The best players in the world like messi,ronaldo,hazard now and in history like stanley matthews had a clear stronger foot. Some players use their weaker foot better than others,that much is true like billy bodin.
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Post by bradfordmeyerbiggs on Sept 29, 2017 13:35:40 GMT
So you want to play 4-4-2 with 4 full backs! madness Can our fullbacks pass the ball ? can they run with the ball ? can they cross the ball ? can they score the occasional goal ? can they tackle ? can they shepherd players into safer areas of the pitch ?
Madness would suggest the answer to all the above is NO.
Ian Alexander was a winger turned into a fullback. David Mehew and Billy Bodin were strikers who moved to right wing. David Pritchard was a full back who moved to midfield Gary Penrice was a striker that moved to midfield Carl Saunders came to rovers as a reserve team fullback and then played upfront. Geoff Bradford played in every outfield position. Gerraint Williams was a full back who moved to midfield. Even Gary Mabbutt played games in midfield for Rovers. Im sure there are plenty more.
So suggesting players can not play in different locations on the pitch is really the madness is it not ?
Carl Saunders was a striker for Stoke. He played up front with the Ted Nicky Morgan
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2017 16:16:41 GMT
Can our fullbacks pass the ball ? can they run with the ball ? can they cross the ball ? can they score the occasional goal ? can they tackle ? can they shepherd players into safer areas of the pitch ?
Madness would suggest the answer to all the above is NO.
Ian Alexander was a winger turned into a fullback. David Mehew and Billy Bodin were strikers who moved to right wing. David Pritchard was a full back who moved to midfield Gary Penrice was a striker that moved to midfield Carl Saunders came to rovers as a reserve team fullback and then played upfront. Geoff Bradford played in every outfield position. Gerraint Williams was a full back who moved to midfield. Even Gary Mabbutt played games in midfield for Rovers. Im sure there are plenty more.
So suggesting players can not play in different locations on the pitch is really the madness is it not ?
Carl Saunders was a striker for Stoke. He played up front with the Ted Nicky Morgan He was but when Francis signed him he was playing fullback in the reserves...and not too happy I suspect
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Post by stigofthegas on Sept 30, 2017 1:23:16 GMT
There has been a lot of criticism of Tom Lockyer recently but this is the view of a fellow professional, Reuben Reid who was interviewed for the Express and Echo in Exeter.
Asked who was the hardest opponent he had faced, this was his reply.....
"Hardest opponent?
There is not one that sticks out in my brain, but I can tell you the type of player that I find hard to play against.
The lad who wants to go to battle, who is ultra-aggressive and wants to out-muscle you, I’ve never really had a problem with these type of guys. I’m up for that side of things. It’s more the lad who isn’t as big and has to use his brain. The one who sees the space well that you think you are going to run into and turn them or score, but he is already in that space because he is reading the game well.
A lot of times you identify players before the game that you will be up against. It’s an English mentality for the coach or other players to say: “You’ll bully him today.” I hate to say it but these are the guys who are reading the game well because obviously their physical attributes can’t handle yours. They are always one step ahead of you because they have to be. Those are the guys who have kept me quiet more.
The lad Tom Lockyer at Bristol Rovers has stuck in my brain. I’m probably still in his pocket now. I can’t remember having a good game against him. I don’t know whether that was down to my own fitness or maybe to playing one up front, as a lot of managers have thought I can play that role for the team. It enables the team to get another midfielder on the pitch, but if you are up against three lads at the back, it makes their job a lot easier.
But he was a clever footballer. I’ve never really had a sniff against him. When the lads talk about defenders, he’s one of the decent ones."
If any of you are still wondering why Tom is "undroppable" then read this again. He has made a couple of mistakes in the last few games but that doesn't change the fact that he is by far our best defender.
We are very lucky to still have him.
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Post by lmgas on Sept 30, 2017 10:03:49 GMT
[/quote] Can our fullbacks pass the ball ? can they run with the ball ? can they cross the ball ? can they score the occasional goal ? can they tackle ? can they shepherd players into safer areas of the pitch?
[/quote] It would be interesting to have some answers/opinions on these questions, especially given the number of goals conceded from crosses - what's the breakdown of responsibility/mistakes? In terms of the attacking part of their game then: Crosses: Partington and Brown Goals: Brown Run with ball: Leadbitter, but pretty pointless when you've no end product. Haven't seen enough of Bola, but looks promising.
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Post by Gassy on Sept 30, 2017 10:33:08 GMT
There has been a lot of criticism of Tom Lockyer recently but this is the view of a fellow professional, Reuben Reid who was interviewed for the Express and Echo in Exeter. Asked who was the hardest opponent he had faced, this was his reply..... "Hardest opponent? There is not one that sticks out in my brain, but I can tell you the type of player that I find hard to play against. The lad who wants to go to battle, who is ultra-aggressive and wants to out-muscle you, I’ve never really had a problem with these type of guys. I’m up for that side of things. It’s more the lad who isn’t as big and has to use his brain. The one who sees the space well that you think you are going to run into and turn them or score, but he is already in that space because he is reading the game well. A lot of times you identify players before the game that you will be up against. It’s an English mentality for the coach or other players to say: “You’ll bully him today.” I hate to say it but these are the guys who are reading the game well because obviously their physical attributes can’t handle yours. They are always one step ahead of you because they have to be. Those are the guys who have kept me quiet more. The lad Tom Lockyer at Bristol Rovers has stuck in my brain. I’m probably still in his pocket now. I can’t remember having a good game against him. I don’t know whether that was down to my own fitness or maybe to playing one up front, as a lot of managers have thought I can play that role for the team. It enables the team to get another midfielder on the pitch, but if you are up against three lads at the back, it makes their job a lot easier. But he was a clever footballer. I’ve never really had a sniff against him. When the lads talk about defenders, he’s one of the decent ones." If any of you are still wondering why Tom is "undroppable" then read this again. He has made a couple of mistakes in the last few games but that doesn't change the fact that he is by far our best defender. We are very lucky to still have him. Yes but this was in League 2... Tom is a good player, but this season he isn't. He isn't a god and untouchable, if he's not playing well enough all season then he should be dropped. I don't think anyone is saying to get rid of him, just give him some time on the bench.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 30, 2017 10:42:45 GMT
From what I can recall the vast majority of crosses have come from our right side or corners, I sense we're missing a fully fit Leads and Bodin doesn't help as he's a weak tackler, perhaps we need to push Bodin upfront and bring in Broom, or Moore, until Leads his fully fit. The down side is that we'll lose Bodin goals from the wing, although given that he doesn't score many away from the Mem it seems a no brainer away from home. Perhaps DC attempted this move when he played Moore on the right/Bodin on the left v Oldham(?) but then we completely lost Bodin as a goal threat!
Corners wise isn't that down to training ground practice/organisation, I've already suggested getting Steve Yates back in November to help with that issue, if we can wait another month.
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Post by Gassy on Oct 17, 2017 20:21:35 GMT
Looks like the calamity pairing is back again then.
We've had 1 clean sheet all season, the 1 game they didn't play.
I look forward to seeing them both start on Saturday against Rochdale then. Probably the first 2 names on the team sheet.
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Post by markczgas on Oct 17, 2017 23:53:25 GMT
It's a crap partnership and we've known it is about 6 games into this season. Trouble ahead. Lockyer is not worth his place in the team anymore - after what I saw tonight and on the back of many dodgy appearances this season. Best defender of a poor bunch is Broadbent - disappointed he didn't start tonight.
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Post by Qatar Gas on Oct 18, 2017 5:47:00 GMT
Sweeney was all out of sorts last night. Its amazing to think he was one of the reasons we improved our goals against for the second half of last season.
How is it possible to look like only half the player you were only a few months ago?
Maybe Lockyer would be better suited if he started playing right back again like he used to before.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 18, 2017 9:29:09 GMT
I can't understand it with the defence. I rate all of them individually. Can't put my finger on it. My thoughts earlier in the season was the lack of cover in midfield with only Ollie Clarke as DM and he is in poor form but to ship 4 goals so easily and quickly they have to be looked at.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 18, 2017 12:22:25 GMT
Any statos out there know how often a CB pairing have started a consecutive game?
I think Broadbent should now start games along side Lockyer for a run.
The argument that everyone seems to use for persisting with the ever-failing Nichols over Telford is that TN is ours. Isn't it time we said the same of TB?
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Post by Gassy on Oct 19, 2017 7:09:38 GMT
Any statos out there know how often a CB pairing have started a consecutive game? I think Broadbent should now start games along side Lockyer for a run. The argument that everyone seems to use for persisting with the ever-failing Nichols over Telford is that TN is ours. Isn't it time we said the same of TB? Couldn't agree more Hugo
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 19, 2017 7:21:37 GMT
Any statos out there know how often a CB pairing have started a consecutive game? I think Broadbent should now start games along side Lockyer for a run. The argument that everyone seems to use for persisting with the ever-failing Nichols over Telford is that TN is ours. Isn't it time we said the same of TB? Noticed his dad was criticising DC's defensive decisions the other night. Not sure that is a smart move.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 19, 2017 7:24:30 GMT
Any statos out there know how often a CB pairing have started a consecutive game? I think Broadbent should now start games along side Lockyer for a run. The argument that everyone seems to use for persisting with the ever-failing Nichols over Telford is that TN is ours. Isn't it time we said the same of TB? Noticed his dad was criticising DC's defensive decisions the other night. Not sure that is a smart move. We've let in more goals than anyone else in the football league. We have not had a settled defence all season. If TBs dad was critical a) he's right and b) so is everyone else who has watched us this season!!
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 19, 2017 7:29:05 GMT
Noticed his dad was criticising DC's defensive decisions the other night. Not sure that is a smart move. We've let in more goals than anyone else in the football league. We have not had a settled defence all season. If TBs dad was critical a) he's right and b) so is everyone else who has watched us this season!! On social media though, in a game where his son isn't picked?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 19, 2017 7:33:05 GMT
We've let in more goals than anyone else in the football league. We have not had a settled defence all season. If TBs dad was critical a) he's right and b) so is everyone else who has watched us this season!! On social media though? Honestly, it's probably not what I'd do but we are not in that position and it must be very frustrating. If the other CBs were doing well then you could say it's sour grapes but they aren't are they?
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Post by Marshy on Oct 19, 2017 7:40:58 GMT
Honestly, it's probably not what I'd do but we are not in that position and it must be very frustrating. If the other CBs were doing well then you could say it's sour grapes but they aren't are they? Mr Broadbean senior needs to man up a bit, a stint in the army would sort him out. I can't understand what the hell has happened to Sweeney, he seems like a different player to what we had last year? Strange.
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