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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 11, 2017 21:04:10 GMT
"FOMG would support a community stadium, which is really beneficial to the neighbourhood, and is fitting, given the war memorial status of the sport ground and its residential setting." This is very positive statement indeed. I dunno, "beneficial to the neighbourhood, and is fitting...its residential setting" sounds like code for don't increase the capacity. Then again it could read "we know Rovers will get pp so have to get as much out of this whilst we can" Although a community stadium used 24-7 is surely what we need to make it self funding.
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Post by mjhgas on Oct 11, 2017 21:09:53 GMT
Not much wrong with meeting with those that are likely to object the most!
Knock over the biggest hurdle first - the rest will be easy!
If we create units for rent, then the community and Dwyane Sports will both benefit.
UTG.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 11, 2017 21:45:53 GMT
Why Stadium Deal Was So Wrong By Nick Rippington Why Stadium Deal Was So Wrong By Nick Rippington What's being said in the forum now? Click to join the Vital Bristol Rovers forum! BRISTOL ROVERS dodged a bullet when they pulled out of the deal for a new stadium. The more I learn, the more I believe the club could have been fatally compromised by agreeing to the terms that University trustees were demanding for a joint venture on their land near Frenchay. Everything, I believe, was stacked in the University`s favour. And while many Rovers fans were under the impression we were getting our very own purpose-built stadium, the way I understand it the arrangement would have been little different from when we rented Eastville from the Greyhound Company. In fact, if just a few things had gone wrong there was a good possibility that we would have been dumped out on our ear with no alternative home to go to, having already offloaded the Mem. The sticking points on which the University wouldn`t budge included things like security for games and revenue from external events like Conferences, concerts and even car parking. It was imperative to the club that they would have control over these things if they were to develop from ragbag Rovers to a self-sustaining football force. If anything, rather than blame the board for another so-called 'failure`, we should be glad they were looking out for our long-term interests rather than being swayed by a short-term rise in popularity. It`s an interesting paradox, because while the previous owners had been Rovers supporters long before the Al-Qadi family had even HEARD of the club, it seems glaringly obvious to me that the old regime were prepared to gamble our entire future in a bid to regain some kudos with fans. The more I look at it, the more I think the Sainsbury`s decision to pull out of the Mem deal was a blessing in disguise. Scrutinise the decisions Nick Higgs and Co made towards the end of their reign and you have a roadmap which could only have led to catastrophe. I recall writing a blog for the Bristol Post after we dropped out of the Football League saying that I felt alienated from the club I had followed for nearly 40 years. The more our stock fell on the pitch, the more a wedge was driven between those in Box One and those spending their hard-earned cash to watch pitiful fayre on the pitch. Rather than erect a new stadium, day by day they built a wall between themselves and the fans. Life-long supporters who didn`t share their views were barred, a popular fans online forum was shut down and the deafening demand for answers was ignored. When the Sainsbury`s decision came through, they were even prepared to risk everything and take out a high-interest loan - like the type you see advertised on daytime TV - to continue a fight that many felt had already been lost. Darrell Clarke, who I admit I criticised early in his reign, helped reignite my love affair with Rovers by guiding us back into the Football League but that might have been a short-term fix had the ownership not changed. For Darrell, at least, we can thank Mr Higgs - and there is one more significant thing, too. Like other owners who have fled sinking ships, he could have sold us to the first cash-waving charlatan that came along. Instead he handed over to owners many have come to trust and respect. If anyone doubts the Al-Qadi family have given us our Rovers back, look at this weekend as a case in point. As I stood on the Northampton terraces overcome with emotion as we rattled in our sixth goal I looked a few feet to my right to see our president Wael Al-Qadi dancing a merry jig. He could have quite easily been with his chairman in the directors` box but chose instead to share the moment with fans on the terraces. Later, he caught the train back to London, not in first class but with those same supporters, happily discussing the match and his long-term plans. Anyone witnessing that would find it hard to question his commitment to the club and his desire to take it in the right direction. The new owners are pragmatists, not dreamers... and for that I am grateful. For while dreams take centre stage when we belt out Goodnight Irene, sometimes it`s nice to wake up to a healthy dose of reality. Nick Rippington is a national newspaper journalist based in London. He is also award-winning author of UK gangland fiction thrillers Crossing The Whitewash and Spark Out Read more: www.bristolrovers.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=507964#ixzz4vEYjV9wPWell done Buckrippers. Ive said it before and I will say it again, I think WAQ took a brave and correct decision. I've always felt the UWE deal was bad for Rovers, if not all connected with Rovers. Without knowing the full facts how do you know if was a correct decision, I can't imagine the UWE would want an unused 22,000 stadium stuck on their land if we ever went bankrupt. PLus if it was such a bad deal why did Wael suggest the feasibility study had come back positive and then spend 12 months trying to agreeing a deal. Back on topic if we are talking about spending millions regenerating the ground couldn't the ALQ's find a few thousand to refurb. the gates, that would seem a good bit of PR to me.
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Post by Blackbeard on Oct 11, 2017 22:01:18 GMT
Wasn't Carstairs one of the British airmen in Allo Allo ?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 12, 2017 7:07:02 GMT
PLus if it was such a bad deal why did Wael suggest the feasibility study had come back positive and then spend 12 months trying to agreeing a deal. They spent that time trying to renegotiate the deal, so quite obviously they didn't think it was a good deal.
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Post by gasincider on Oct 12, 2017 7:55:04 GMT
It's all smoke and mirrors. If all the items indicated in the article were outside our remit,why were the landing lights ever on? This is spurious crap put out either by the author or requested by some other interested party for their own reasons.
How has the Mem gone from being a non starter to a possible profitable stadium in no time at all? The answer is it hasn't. We all know it and most of all, our owners know it.
If there were to be redevelopment, you can bet your life it would be cheap skate and a patchwork quilt of a job. It would be the lowest capacity possible, with a few bits of gym equipment etc.
Sadly I believe this all to be a sop, to placate the fans who in truth have been let down badly. As Topper has said, the feasibility study would have shown what was required, and if it couldn't be enacted, that was the end of the project. So what then took so long to bring it to a head? Remember our two former partners in the project (Cunnar and the other guy- sorry about any spelling errors). Why did they disappear like they did?
The truth is that by the time we all realise that the Mem regeneration won't happen, or at the least it will be tacky, the UWE opportunity will have disappeared. Then we will have no choice but to accept whatever we get fed. It's long since time that UWE who have been painted as the bad guys in all this, gave their full version of what happened in the talks , not to mention that Rovers should as well. Remember, they were discussing heads of terms over the issue. If the article was anywhere near true, the talks would have been called off much earlier.
After 40+ years of economy with the truth, it's all happening again. How people keep falling for it defies belief.
I hope I'm wrong, but after years of bull, and a well established trail of it, I am staggered about how easily the fans have accepted yet another kick in the goolies without a murmur. Perhaps this is all we deserve if we are so easily conned.
If ever we needed a white knight, it's now.
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Post by 1883kinhswoodgas on Oct 12, 2017 8:01:02 GMT
It's all smoke and mirrors. If all the items indicated in the article were outside our remit,why were the landing lights ever on? This is spurious crap put out either by the author or requested by some other interested party for their own reasons. How has the Mem gone from being a non starter to a possible profitable stadium in no time at all? The answer is it hasn't. We all know it and most of all, our owners know it. If there were to be redevelopment, you can bet your life it would be cheap skate and a patchwork quilt of a job. It would be the lowest capacity possible, with a few bits of gym equipment etc. Sadly I believe this all to be a sop, to placate the fans who in truth have been let down badly. As Topper has said, the feasibility study would have shown what was required, and if it couldn't be enacted, that was the end of the project. So what then took so long to bring it to a head? Remember our two former partners in the project (Cunnar and the other guy- sorry about any spelling errors). Why did they disappear like they did? The truth is that by the time we all realise that the Mem regeneration won't happen, or at the least it will be tacky, the UWE opportunity will have disappeared. Then we will have no choice but to accept whatever we get fed. It's long since time that UWE who have been painted as the bad guys in all this, gave their full version of what happened in the talks , not to mention that Rovers should as well. Remember, they were discussing heads of terms over the issue. If the article was anywhere near true, the talks would have been called off much earlier. After 40+ years of economy with the truth, it's all happening again. How people keep falling for it defies belief. I hope I'm wrong, but after years of bull, and a well established trail of it, I am staggered about how easily the fans have accepted yet another kick in the goolies without a murmur. Perhaps this is all we deserve if we are so easily conned. If ever we needed a white knight, it's now. Bet you’re fun at parties
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 12, 2017 8:01:16 GMT
It's all smoke and mirrors. If all the items indicated in the article were outside our remit,why were the landing lights ever on? This is spurious crap put out either by the author or requested by some other interested party for their own reasons. How has the Mem gone from being a non starter to a possible profitable stadium in no time at all? The answer is it hasn't. We all know it and most of all, our owners know it. If there were to be redevelopment, you can bet your life it would be cheap skate and a patchwork quilt of a job. It would be the lowest capacity possible, with a few bits of gym equipment etc. Sadly I believe this all to be a sop, to placate the fans who in truth have been let down badly. As Topper has said, the feasibility study would have shown what was required, and if it couldn't be enacted, that was the end of the project. So what then took so long to bring it to a head? Remember our two former partners in the project (Cunnar and the other guy- sorry about any spelling errors). Why did they disappear like they did? The truth is that by the time we all realise that the Mem regeneration won't happen, or at the least it will be tacky, the UWE opportunity will have disappeared. Then we will have no choice but to accept whatever we get fed. It's long since time that UWE who have been painted as the bad guys in all this, gave their full version of what happened in the talks , not to mention that Rovers should as well. Remember, they were discussing heads of terms over the issue. If the article was anywhere near true, the talks would have been called off much earlier. After 40+ years of economy with the truth, it's all happening again. How people keep falling for it defies belief. I hope I'm wrong, but after years of bull, and a well established trail of it, I am staggered about how easily the fans have accepted yet another kick in the goolies without a murmur. Perhaps this is all we deserve if we are so easily conned. If ever we needed a white knight, it's now. If ever we needed a white knight, it was when we were in the conference, when you were still backing your mates who had brought us disaster. You're the one who feeds us spurious crap, and you should give it a rest, coz you just look bitter and twisted coz you're not an insider any more.
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Post by spiess1 on Oct 12, 2017 8:06:42 GMT
You didn't give the address for any white knights to apply;
Apply to: Consortium View, Corridors of Power, BRFC ex-ITK.
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Post by tommym9 on Oct 12, 2017 8:16:41 GMT
Actually chuffed at this news. Sounds like the local residents are on side early doors which is such a plus!
By the sounds of it we're building the kinds of facilities that local people want which should help with the non-match day revenue.
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Post by Captain Jayho on Oct 12, 2017 8:17:05 GMT
Sadly I believe this all to be a sop, to placate the fans who in truth have been let down badly. Surely if they were trying to placate the fans the club would be shouting about this community consultation from the rooftops to give the impression they are doing something. They're not, it got dug up by a fan on some spurious community blog with no fanfare from the club at all (as far as I can see). Each to their own but personally I think it is a pretty good sign.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 12, 2017 8:21:58 GMT
It's all smoke and mirrors. If all the items indicated in the article were outside our remit,why were the landing lights ever on? This is spurious crap put out either by the author or requested by some other interested party for their own reasons. How has the Mem gone from being a non starter to a possible profitable stadium in no time at all? The answer is it hasn't. We all know it and most of all, our owners know it. If there were to be redevelopment, you can bet your life it would be cheap skate and a patchwork quilt of a job. It would be the lowest capacity possible, with a few bits of gym equipment etc. Sadly I believe this all to be a sop, to placate the fans who in truth have been let down badly. As Topper has said, the feasibility study would have shown what was required, and if it couldn't be enacted, that was the end of the project. So what then took so long to bring it to a head? Remember our two former partners in the project (Cunnar and the other guy- sorry about any spelling errors). Why did they disappear like they did? The truth is that by the time we all realise that the Mem regeneration won't happen, or at the least it will be tacky, the UWE opportunity will have disappeared. Then we will have no choice but to accept whatever we get fed. It's long since time that UWE who have been painted as the bad guys in all this, gave their full version of what happened in the talks , not to mention that Rovers should as well. Remember, they were discussing heads of terms over the issue. If the article was anywhere near true, the talks would have been called off much earlier. After 40+ years of economy with the truth, it's all happening again. How people keep falling for it defies belief. I hope I'm wrong, but after years of bull, and a well established trail of it, I am staggered about how easily the fans have accepted yet another kick in the goolies without a murmur. Perhaps this is all we deserve if we are so easily conned. If ever we needed a white knight, it's now. The saviours of our club from the clutches of the evil WAQ are conspicuous by their absence. One could be forgiven for thinking they don't exist.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Oct 12, 2017 8:23:19 GMT
It's all smoke and mirrors. If all the items indicated in the article were outside our remit,why were the landing lights ever on? This is spurious crap put out either by the author or requested by some other interested party for their own reasons. How has the Mem gone from being a non starter to a possible profitable stadium in no time at all? The answer is it hasn't. We all know it and most of all, our owners know it. If there were to be redevelopment, you can bet your life it would be cheap skate and a patchwork quilt of a job. It would be the lowest capacity possible, with a few bits of gym equipment etc. Sadly I believe this all to be a sop, to placate the fans who in truth have been let down badly. As Topper has said, the feasibility study would have shown what was required, and if it couldn't be enacted, that was the end of the project. So what then took so long to bring it to a head? Remember our two former partners in the project (Cunnar and the other guy- sorry about any spelling errors). Why did they disappear like they did? The truth is that by the time we all realise that the Mem regeneration won't happen, or at the least it will be tacky, the UWE opportunity will have disappeared. Then we will have no choice but to accept whatever we get fed. It's long since time that UWE who have been painted as the bad guys in all this, gave their full version of what happened in the talks , not to mention that Rovers should as well. Remember, they were discussing heads of terms over the issue. If the article was anywhere near true, the talks would have been called off much earlier. After 40+ years of economy with the truth, it's all happening again. How people keep falling for it defies belief. I hope I'm wrong, but after years of bull, and a well established trail of it, I am staggered about how easily the fans have accepted yet another kick in the goolies without a murmur. Perhaps this is all we deserve if we are so easily conned. If ever we needed a white knight, it's now. Maybe its time your "corridors of power" consortium to show their non existent face ? Oh i do love a good conspiracy, just like the previous one and the one before that and the one before that.........
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 12, 2017 8:23:25 GMT
Well done Buckrippers. Ive said it before and I will say it again, I think WAQ took a brave and correct decision. I've always felt the UWE deal was bad for Rovers, if not all connected with Rovers. Without knowing the full facts how do you know if was a correct decision, I can't imagine the UWE would want an unused 22,000 stadium stuck on their land if we ever went bankrupt. PLus if it was such a bad deal why did Wael suggest the feasibility study had come back positive and then spend 12 months trying to agreeing a deal. Back on topic if we are talking about spending millions regenerating the ground couldn't the ALQ's find a few thousand to refurb. the gates, that would seem a good bit of PR to me. I don't know. That's why I said "I think". It's a thought based off what information I do know.
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Post by knowall on Oct 12, 2017 8:42:35 GMT
What Nick Rippington has identified is what we all saw happening over a period of several years - probably without realising what was happening - namely the gradual dismissing of people who had supported Rovers for years and years - many from birth. The megalomaniac attitude by those in the boardroom grew as they plunged the Club into potential administration. And possible existence. No-one was allowed to disagree or even have a different point of view. It didn't matter the amount of time you had given over years for the benefit if Bristol Rovers - your view mattered no more. Ban those who disagreed, stop adverse comments by shutting the forum. Steak and fine wine before a match were more important than the basic comforts of long-term supporters. Family and friends enjoying the benefits mattered more than recognising people who had kept the Club alive for years without wanting any reward. To leave a stadium (as a legacy) regardless of the cost was more important than the long-term viability of the Football Club. How many of us feel better towards the Club now - I know I do - thanks to the simple but effective method of involving, asking, joining and making us feel part of, even important, in the future of OUR Club. A Church is not a building it is the people who attend. So it is with a football Club - it is not the stadium - it is the people who attend, play, and love together. No better example than Bristol Rovers.
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Post by peterparker on Oct 12, 2017 9:19:59 GMT
It's all smoke and mirrors. If all the items indicated in the article were outside our remit,why were the landing lights ever on? This is spurious crap put out either by the author or requested by some other interested party for their own reasons. How has the Mem gone from being a non starter to a possible profitable stadium in no time at all? The answer is it hasn't. We all know it and most of all, our owners know it. If there were to be redevelopment, you can bet your life it would be cheap skate and a patchwork quilt of a job. It would be the lowest capacity possible, with a few bits of gym equipment etc. Sadly I believe this all to be a sop, to placate the fans who in truth have been let down badly. As Topper has said, the feasibility study would have shown what was required, and if it couldn't be enacted, that was the end of the project. So what then took so long to bring it to a head? Remember our two former partners in the project (Cunnar and the other guy- sorry about any spelling errors). Why did they disappear like they did? The truth is that by the time we all realise that the Mem regeneration won't happen, or at the least it will be tacky, the UWE opportunity will have disappeared. Then we will have no choice but to accept whatever we get fed. It's long since time that UWE who have been painted as the bad guys in all this, gave their full version of what happened in the talks , not to mention that Rovers should as well. Remember, they were discussing heads of terms over the issue. If the article was anywhere near true, the talks would have been called off much earlier. After 40+ years of economy with the truth, it's all happening again. How people keep falling for it defies belief. I hope I'm wrong, but after years of bull, and a well established trail of it, I am staggered about how easily the fans have accepted yet another kick in the goolies without a murmur. Perhaps this is all we deserve if we are so easily conned. If ever we needed a white knight, it's now. What's the worst case scenario here
The previous bunch of cowboys who were never anywhere near building a new stadium or even touching The Mem, have sold us to another bunch of cowboys.
Not that I think the Al-Qadi's are cowboys
If we need a White Knight now, then Nick sold out to the wrong people didn't he
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Post by abbeygas on Oct 12, 2017 9:35:22 GMT
It's all smoke and mirrors. If all the items indicated in the article were outside our remit,why were the landing lights ever on? This is spurious crap put out either by the author or requested by some other interested party for their own reasons.
How has the Mem gone from being a non starter to a possible profitable stadium in no time at all? The answer is it hasn't. We all know it and most of all, our owners know it. If there were to be redevelopment, you can bet your life it would be cheap skate and a patchwork quilt of a job. It would be the lowest capacity possible, with a few bits of gym equipment etc. Sadly I believe this all to be a sop, to placate the fans who in truth have been let down badly. As Topper has said, the feasibility study would have shown what was required, and if it couldn't be enacted, that was the end of the project. So what then took so long to bring it to a head? Remember our two former partners in the project (Cunnar and the other guy- sorry about any spelling errors). Why did they disappear like they did? The truth is that by the time we all realise that the Mem regeneration won't happen, or at the least it will be tacky, the UWE opportunity will have disappeared. Then we will have no choice but to accept whatever we get fed. It's long since time that UWE who have been painted as the bad guys in all this, gave their full version of what happened in the talks , not to mention that Rovers should as well. Remember, they were discussing heads of terms over the issue. If the article was anywhere near true, the talks would have been called off much earlier. After 40+ years of economy with the truth, it's all happening again. How people keep falling for it defies belief. I hope I'm wrong, but after years of bull, and a well established trail of it, I am staggered about how easily the fans have accepted yet another kick in the goolies without a murmur. Perhaps this is all we deserve if we are so easily conned. If ever we needed a white knight, it's now. Pot, kettle and black spring to mind.
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Post by gasincider on Oct 12, 2017 9:45:23 GMT
Amazing how people argue their case by not arguing it. I heard what I heard some weeks ago now, and I've heard nothing since either way. But the conversation I heard clearly stated the presence of a possible suitor.
We are going nowhere with the current set up, and as I think the only way forward is through the figments of my imagination, I just hope they show their hand, if of course they are still interested. Keep the faith.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 12, 2017 9:49:46 GMT
Amazing how people argue their case by not arguing it. I heard what I heard some weeks ago now, and I've heard nothing since either way. But the conversation I heard clearly stated the presence of a possible suitor. We are going nowhere with the current set up, and as I think the only way forward is through the figments of my imagination, I just hope they show their hand, if of course they are still interested. Keep the faith. What did you hear? "Amazing how people argue their case by not arguing it." well, yeah.
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17-20k ? I hope it's designed to accommodate more should we become more popular
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