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Post by jareth on Oct 13, 2017 10:50:33 GMT
Just popping in as i do now and then, as I have a house opposite the ground. Was well against Sainsburys, but not a new stadium, and all the other NIMBYs having played their hand against the supermarket are now absolutely and utterly unable to object to a new stadium. This is an absolutely massive chance for the northern gloucester road to do something special with a football ground / community hybrid. In fact the more going on outside of match days the better for the long term finances of the stadium. There's no reason you can't fill every space around the edges with all sorts of shops, restaurants and I love the brewery idea too. They are doing something similar albeit on a HUGE scale at the oval in London - well worth googling that to see what can be done. Terrific news for Rovers AND for residents.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 13, 2017 10:52:52 GMT
...all the other NIMBYs having played their hand against the supermarket are now absolutely and utterly unable to object to a new stadium. And yet, they will.
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Post by jareth on Oct 13, 2017 10:54:32 GMT
...all the other NIMBYs having played their hand against the supermarket are now absolutely and utterly unable to object to a new stadium. And yet, they will. You're right, they will, but they'll be very divided, certainly won't have as much impact as previously - plus your owners are playing this right - this consultation looks genuine, unlike the 'consultation' with Sainsburys which I went to.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Oct 13, 2017 11:06:24 GMT
Attended a charity meeting at Stafford Rangers social club last night.Modest club but superb facilities and 5 different rooms for social functions,meetings,weddings,etc all complete with bars and all utilised constantly.Excellent source of revenue so lets hope we can at last match even non league set -ups with a new facility.
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Post by baggins on Oct 13, 2017 11:07:05 GMT
You're right, they will, but they'll be very divided, certainly won't have as much impact as previously - plus your owners are playing this right - this consultation looks genuine, unlike the 'consultation' with Sainsburys which I went to. That's interesting. Do you go to watch the Rovers?
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Post by jareth on Oct 13, 2017 11:23:51 GMT
You're right, they will, but they'll be very divided, certainly won't have as much impact as previously - plus your owners are playing this right - this consultation looks genuine, unlike the 'consultation' with Sainsburys which I went to. That's interesting. Do you go to watch the Rovers? Only when they play the Villa! So not often. The mem has, as you all appreciate, become a relic of the past so this sort of action is a long time coming - though I fully appreciate the negative role residents have played. But I don't speak on their behalf, all I can see now is a chance to get everyone singing off the same song sheet and a chance for Rovers to have a ground for others to be jealous of. It might not be enormous, but if they play this right it'll be a brilliant place to go on match days or not. Big chance to sort the transport issues too like making Filton Av one way. Haven't the foggiest what they do about parking, maybe get that train station on Ashley Down reopened, and then a park and ride system that actually works would be a good start. I notice nobody has suggested a Velodrome again, that was hilarious.
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Post by baggins on Oct 13, 2017 11:26:23 GMT
That's interesting. Do you go to watch the Rovers? Only when they play the Villa! So not often. The mem has, as you all appreciate, become a relic of the past so this sort of action is a long time coming - though I fully appreciate the negative role residents have played. But I don't speak on their behalf, all I can see now is a chance to get everyone singing off the same song sheet and a chance for Rovers to have a ground for others to be jealous of. It might not be enormous, but if they play this right it'll be a brilliant place to go on match days or not. Big chance to sort the transport issues too like making Filton Av one way. Haven't the foggiest what they do about parking, maybe get that train station on Ashley Down reopened, and then a park and ride system that actually works would be a good start. I notice nobody has suggested a Velodrome again, that was hilarious. Villa? Bloody Villa? Heh heh. Ok, let me ask you this, if we turn the Mem into a really nice 15k all seater with facilities to match, would you be tempted to take in a game?
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Post by jareth on Oct 13, 2017 11:28:01 GMT
Only when they play the Villa! So not often. The mem has, as you all appreciate, become a relic of the past so this sort of action is a long time coming - though I fully appreciate the negative role residents have played. But I don't speak on their behalf, all I can see now is a chance to get everyone singing off the same song sheet and a chance for Rovers to have a ground for others to be jealous of. It might not be enormous, but if they play this right it'll be a brilliant place to go on match days or not. Big chance to sort the transport issues too like making Filton Av one way. Haven't the foggiest what they do about parking, maybe get that train station on Ashley Down reopened, and then a park and ride system that actually works would be a good start. I notice nobody has suggested a Velodrome again, that was hilarious. Villa? Bloody Villa? Heh heh. Ok, let me ask you this, if we turn the Mem into a really nice 15k all seater with facilities to match, would you be tempted to take in a game? Definitely. Build it and they will come.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Oct 13, 2017 11:42:23 GMT
You're right, they will, but they'll be very divided, certainly won't have as much impact as previously - plus your owners are playing this right - this consultation looks genuine, unlike the 'consultation' with Sainsburys which I went to. There has been organised opposition from local residents for every plan submitted for the site whether that be stadium expansion (ROSE) or Supermarket (TRASH) there was even strong opposition to us moving there in the first place back in 1997!
I hope you are right and there will be very little this time, in fact bizarrely maybe the Sainsburys proposal will make people appreciate that a football stadium is a whole lot better than what could be built there if we are forced out because we aren't allowed to rebuild and modernise to our requirements. Those requirements BTW need to include a minimum of 20,000 capacity.
I think the Mem is a great location for a day out but public transport needs to be massively improved. We often train it to Montpellier and walk up Gloucester Rd but trains are not frequent and not always convenient to get you anywhere other than Temple Meads.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 13, 2017 11:47:33 GMT
But that doesn't answer Gasincider's point, if that was the case then why did we get as far as exchanging Heads of Terms, which suggests both sides must have thought a deal was still possible after 18 months of talks. The big question now is developing the Mem anymore viable. Why are you so hung up on the fact Heads of Terms were exchanged? HoT is still only a pre-contract agreement. There are miles of negotiations still to be had after that stage. The fact that HoT weren't agreed tells us all we need to know. From experience the way someone acts in the pre-negotiations and HoT phase is a pretty good indicator of what they'll be like throughout. If they're nit picking or unresponsive now that's not going to change. From my experience you don't start exchanging offers/HoT's if you so far apart it's simply pointless and so you're wasting you time, rather than negotiating for 18 months you simply call off talks and move on to the next deal.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Oct 13, 2017 11:50:41 GMT
The award for best post on a UWE thread goes to...... Nowhere near the best post. Disparaging to say the least ("some people need to get a grip") to posters who have a different opinion and what this forum should be about - posting opinions. Personally i hope we stay adrift of the play offs until we have a stadium worthy of a team good enough to play in the Championship and not be subject to continual ridicule for having to play in a carbuncle - a blot on the landscape of Bristol that can be only be loosely described as a football venue. Let's get the infrastructure right or at least commited to, before even thinking about a quantum leap which will only end up in tears if we get there too early. According to our Manager we are overachieving even now and I agree - we are at our level at best and will be for a few years yet - any thoughts of playing in the Championship and staying there IMO are delusional. So the £6m + TV rights is not worth having to put up with a bit of banter............. i feel sorry for you
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Post by Henbury Gas on Oct 13, 2017 11:56:15 GMT
Why are you so hung up on the fact Heads of Terms were exchanged? HoT is still only a pre-contract agreement. There are miles of negotiations still to be had after that stage. The fact that HoT weren't agreed tells us all we need to know. From experience the way someone acts in the pre-negotiations and HoT phase is a pretty good indicator of what they'll be like throughout. If they're nit picking or unresponsive now that's not going to change. From my experience you don't start exchanging offers/HoT's if you so far apart it's simply pointless and so you're wasting you time, rather than negotiating for 18 months you simply call off talks and move on to the next deal. You don't know how the UWE works then...
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Post by baggins on Oct 13, 2017 11:56:36 GMT
Nowhere near the best post. Disparaging to say the least ("some people need to get a grip") to posters who have a different opinion and what this forum should be about - posting opinions. Personally i hope we stay adrift of the play offs until we have a stadium worthy of a team good enough to play in the Championship and not be subject to continual ridicule for having to play in a carbuncle - a blot on the landscape of Bristol that can be only be loosely described as a football venue. Let's get the infrastructure right or at least commited to, before even thinking about a quantum leap which will only end up in tears if we get there too early. According to our Manager we are overachieving even now and I agree - we are at our level at best and will be for a few years yet - any thoughts of playing in the Championship and staying there IMO are delusional. So the £6m + TV rights is not worth having to put up with a bit of banter............. i feel sorry for you Not when the banter revolves around how we've got the worst ground in the Championship and we go straight back down again.
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Post by LJG on Oct 13, 2017 12:03:46 GMT
Why are you so hung up on the fact Heads of Terms were exchanged? HoT is still only a pre-contract agreement. There are miles of negotiations still to be had after that stage. The fact that HoT weren't agreed tells us all we need to know. From experience the way someone acts in the pre-negotiations and HoT phase is a pretty good indicator of what they'll be like throughout. If they're nit picking or unresponsive now that's not going to change. From my experience you don't start exchanging offers/HoT's if you so far apart it's simply pointless and so you're wasting you time, rather than negotiating for 18 months you simply call off talks and move on to the next deal. Two things: 1. Who says we were so far apart it was simply pointless? The deal fell through because (we are told) of the attitude taken towards negotiations by UWE who failed to return Heads before a deadline after delay on their part. Where is your evidence for anything you've said? 2. Your experience is obviously limited because you become confused at basic tenets of the negotiating and commercial deal process. Exchanging Heads is a fundamental part of that process - they are the headlines on which you're prepared to start talking. They don't have to be miles apart for a decision to be made not to proceed. There could be just one point over which either side refuse to budge that could kill it off. Like those given in Nick Rippington's article for example. I've said it before - Home Base announced it was being bought out by an Australian company about 3 years ago. That deal isn't off but you go into your local Home Base and see if it looks like it's got new owners recently. In your experience what should those two parties be doing differently to get things moving?
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Post by Marshy on Oct 13, 2017 12:23:03 GMT
Villa? Bloody Villa? Heh heh. Ok, let me ask you this, if we turn the Mem into a really nice 15k all seater with facilities to match, would you be tempted to take in a game? Definitely. Build it and they will come. Build it and we will all come!!!!!
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Post by baggins on Oct 13, 2017 12:26:28 GMT
Definitely. Build it and they will come. Build it and we will all come!!!!! Free blankets for everyone!
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Post by scoobydoogas on Oct 13, 2017 12:28:31 GMT
Come, and help to build it!
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Post by baggins on Oct 13, 2017 12:29:39 GMT
Come, and help to build it! Sounds like hard work.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Oct 13, 2017 12:32:35 GMT
Definitely. Build it and they will come. Build it and we will all come!!!!! In more ways than you think....
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Post by faggotygas on Oct 13, 2017 12:35:28 GMT
Attended a charity meeting at Stafford Rangers social club last night.Modest club but superb facilities and 5 different rooms for social functions,meetings,weddings,etc all complete with bars and all utilised constantly.Excellent source of revenue so lets hope we can at last match even non league set -ups with a new facility. These things do actually happen at the Mem now. www.memorialstadium.co.uk/
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