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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 16, 2017 6:23:55 GMT
I hear a lot of people say we do better against the better teams. I think a lot of our fans like to think we are little Bristol Rovers who will put up a dogged display against the better teams.
Historically this may have been the case but I don't believe it has rung true on the whole under DC at all. We have been very consistent against the lesser teams (in the league).
Of the 8 teams above us, we have won 2. Both of them were home matches against the 2 lowest teams above us.
Wigan (1st) Bradford (3rd) Charlton (5th) Oxford (6th) Peterborough (7th) Portsmouth (8th) Fleetwood (9th) Blackpool (11th) Walsall (16th) Oldham (17th) Bury (19th) Northampton (23rd) Plymouth (24th)
On the bright side it shows we have had a fairly tough start. Doesn't bode well for Shrewsbury away though, albeit they are not as big a team as the others above us so a potential outlier.
This is not a criticism by the way. If anything it shows what an honest bunch of lads we have as we are consistent.
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Post by RD on Oct 16, 2017 7:20:38 GMT
So, to summarise; we tend to lose to the sides who are better than us, and beat the sides we are better than?
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 16, 2017 7:27:53 GMT
So, to summarise; we tend to lose to the sides who are better than us, and beat the sides we are better than? Or that we've only played the top sides away so far? Although didn't we struggle to beat any of the top 6 side last season anyway so is there even a myth? Given we at least matched Oxford for most of the game without our best player then it looks like we're not far off being a top 6 side anyway.
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Post by Marshy on Oct 16, 2017 7:29:46 GMT
So, to summarise; we tend to lose to the sides who are better than us, and beat the sides we are better than? And that's why we're mid table. Who's 2nd we haven't lost to them yet? Oh sh** that's tomorrow oh dear! Ive got a feeling we may beat the Shrews tomorrow.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 16, 2017 20:14:14 GMT
So, to summarise; we tend to lose to the sides who are better than us, and beat the sides we are better than? Or that we've only played the top sides away so far? Although didn't we struggle to beat any of the top 6 side last season anyway so is there even a myth? Given we at least matched Oxford for most of the game without our best player then it looks like we're not far off being a top 6 side anyway. The myth stems from the amount of Rovers fans I have spoke to lately that say we do better against the better teams.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 16, 2017 21:11:10 GMT
Or that we've only played the top sides away so far? Although didn't we struggle to beat any of the top 6 side last season anyway so is there even a myth? Given we at least matched Oxford for most of the game without our best player then it looks like we're not far off being a top 6 side anyway. The myth stems from the amount of Rovers fans I have spoke to lately that say we do better against the better teams. Given we've lost to the 6 of the top 8 sides we've played this season you must be speaking to some odd fans if they think we're doing better against the better teams. Although we do usually play better against the better teams at the Mem.
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Post by Qatar Gas on Oct 17, 2017 5:04:06 GMT
Certainly not away from home anyway!
There was a discussion before how we never beat any of the ex premier league teams away from home (hardly at home either). Since Southampton in 2009, I don't think we have beaten another ex premier league team (ex from this century. i.e. year 2000 and above) since then.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 17, 2017 5:29:13 GMT
The myth stems from the amount of Rovers fans I have spoke to lately that say we do better against the better teams. Given we've lost to the 6 of the top 8 sides we've played this season you must be speaking to some odd fans if they think we're doing better against the better teams. Although we do usually play better against the better teams at the Mem. Not odd. We just like to think we are something we are not sometimes.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2017 7:31:53 GMT
Given we've lost to the 6 of the top 8 sides we've played this season you must be speaking to some odd fans if they think we're doing better against the better teams. Although we do usually play better against the better teams at the Mem. Not odd. We just like to think we are something we are not sometimes. In the 2nd division out of the 5 teams around us all season - Northampton, Portsmouth, Plymouth, Accrington & Oxford - we only managed one win in total (Oxford away) - just 6 points out of a possible 30. It wasn't much better last season, and it's looking like the same for this season - a mid table finish for me. I really can't see a big cash injection for team building if we are 'comfortable' mid table in January - even, as looks likely to me Bodin will be off. The problem as I see it, the Manager has real problems attracting permanent players to the club unless the players originated from the area in the first place. Loan layers are different - it's all part of their education and they'll be moving on. I feel it will stay like this until we become a much more attractive proposition offering good facilities.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 17, 2017 7:34:24 GMT
Not odd. We just like to think we are something we are not sometimes. In the 2nd division out of the 5 teams around us all season - Northampton, Portsmouth, Plymouth, Accrington & Oxford - we only managed one win in total (Oxford away) - just 6 points out of a possible 30. It wasn't much better last season, and it's looking like the same for this season - a mid table finish for me. I really can't see a big cash injection for team building if we are 'comfortable' mid table in January - even, as looks likely to me Bodin will be off. The problem as I see it, the Manager has real problems attracting permanent players to the club unless the players originated from the area in the first place. Loan layers are different - it's all part of their education and they'll be moving on. I feel it will stay like this until we become a much more attractive proposition offering good facilities. Fair post. Can't really argue with any of that.
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Post by baggins on Oct 17, 2017 11:29:51 GMT
Not odd. We just like to think we are something we are not sometimes. In the 2nd division out of the 5 teams around us all season - Northampton, Portsmouth, Plymouth, Accrington & Oxford - we only managed one win in total (Oxford away) - just 6 points out of a possible 30. It wasn't much better last season, and it's looking like the same for this season - a mid table finish for me. I really can't see a big cash injection for team building if we are 'comfortable' mid table in January - even, as looks likely to me Bodin will be off. The problem as I see it, the Manager has real problems attracting permanent players to the club unless the players originated from the area in the first place. Loan layers are different - it's all part of their education and they'll be moving on. I feel it will stay like this until we become a much more attractive proposition offering good facilities. Hopefully your prediction of Bodin leaving is wrong.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 17, 2017 16:57:45 GMT
Not odd. We just like to think we are something we are not sometimes. In the 2nd division out of the 5 teams around us all season - Northampton, Portsmouth, Plymouth, Accrington & Oxford - we only managed one win in total (Oxford away) - just 6 points out of a possible 30. It wasn't much better last season, and it's looking like the same for this season - a mid table finish for me. I really can't see a big cash injection for team building if we are 'comfortable' mid table in January - even, as looks likely to me Bodin will be off. The problem as I see it, the Manager has real problems attracting permanent players to the club unless the players originated from the area in the first place. Loan layers are different - it's all part of their education and they'll be moving on. I feel it will stay like this until we become a much more attractive proposition offering good facilities. To my knowledge Taylor, Blissett, Gaffney, Moore, Monty, Smith, Slocombe and Sercombe amongst others had no connection with the west country before they signed for us. Assuming DC has a top 10 budget then there's no reason we can't compete with the top 10 or 8 teams in Div 1. Untill we sort out the Mem regeneration probably a top 8 position is the best we can hope for, as promotion could be a nightmare.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2017 18:23:11 GMT
In the 2nd division out of the 5 teams around us all season - Northampton, Portsmouth, Plymouth, Accrington & Oxford - we only managed one win in total (Oxford away) - just 6 points out of a possible 30. It wasn't much better last season, and it's looking like the same for this season - a mid table finish for me. I really can't see a big cash injection for team building if we are 'comfortable' mid table in January - even, as looks likely to me Bodin will be off. The problem as I see it, the Manager has real problems attracting permanent players to the club unless the players originated from the area in the first place. Loan layers are different - it's all part of their education and they'll be moving on. I feel it will stay like this until we become a much more attractive proposition offering good facilities. To my knowledge Taylor, Blissett, Gaffney, Moore, Monty, Smith, Slocombe and Sercombe amongst others had no connection with the west country before they signed for us. Assuming DC has a top 10 budget then there's no reason we can't compete with the top 10 or 8 teams in Div 1. Untill we sort out the Mem regeneration probably a top 8 position is the best we can hope for, as promotion could be a nightmare. Both goalkeepers were club less, Taylor was struggling at Forest Green, Sercombe comes from Exeter, Monty had been sacked from Oldham, Gaffney was languishing in Cambridge reserves and was offered to us on loan & Blissett and Moore enough said!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2017 19:36:03 GMT
Yeah I think it might be bollox
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Post by Big Jock on Oct 17, 2017 19:40:13 GMT
Well at least thats the fourplay outta the way, now onto the real action second half (no getting d1cked replies)
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 18, 2017 17:45:40 GMT
To my knowledge Taylor, Blissett, Gaffney, Moore, Monty, Smith, Slocombe and Sercombe amongst others had no connection with the west country before they signed for us. Assuming DC has a top 10 budget then there's no reason we can't compete with the top 10 or 8 teams in Div 1. Untill we sort out the Mem regeneration probably a top 8 position is the best we can hope for, as promotion could be a nightmare. Both goalkeepers were club less, Taylor was struggling at Forest Green, Sercombe comes from Exeter, Monty had been sacked from Oldham, Gaffney was languishing in Cambridge reserves and was offered to us on loan & Blissett and Moore enough said!! Spot on. Topper Gas chat sh** get banged fella.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 18, 2017 17:48:05 GMT
"Unpredictable" "inconsistent" are just a couple of words I have heard using this season. Whilst the margin of results and performances may vary. These 2 words couldn't be furher from the truth. I would argue we are the most consistent team in the league. Beat the lower teams and lose to the better ones. Last night just further stregthened my theory.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2017 22:03:40 GMT
"Unpredictable" "inconsistent" are just a couple of words I have heard using this season. Whilst the margin of results and performances may vary. These 2 words couldn't be furher from the truth. I would argue we are the most consistent team in the league. Beat the lower teams and lose to the better ones. Last night just further stregthened my theory. Strong theory too.
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