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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 18, 2017 9:18:47 GMT
Oh right , just telling it how I see it. I reckon we're neither punching above or below our weight currently. But after three years of success I think DC deserves more respect and more patience from the fans that are calling him inept. This
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Post by RD on Oct 18, 2017 9:33:36 GMT
There's absolutely zero chance of us going up this year but I don't really care if I'm honest; we're simply not ready. Does that mean I'd turn it down it if it was offered to us on a plate? Of course not. But some reality checks are needed.
Every year (prior to this season) we have made significant progress under DC and our 10th place finish last year was our best finish in the league for getting on for two entire decades.
Do I think we'll improve upon last season? In all honesty, probably not. But do I think we'll get relegated? No. Therefore, to be totally honest, it doesn't make an enormous great difference if we finish 10th or 19th - either way, we don't win a title and we are in L1 next season. Is that an acceptable mentality to retain? Of course not. But 3 promotions in 4 years - and our highest league finish for almost two decades in the one year we didn't get promoted - means one poor season (that doesn't result in relegation) isn't exactly the end of the world.
To be honest, the amount DC has achieved, he deserves a "write-off" season; a season where you fail to progress, arguably move backwards but come out and hold your hands up. If we at any point look like genuinely being relegated then sure; maybe we need to review his position. Furthermore, if we give him next summer, provided he is given a budget that should enable us to progress and yet he still fails to bring in a squad capable of doing so, then yes - it may be time at that point to say he's taken us as far as he can. But he definitely deserves the whole of this season (unless we are in genuine threat of being relegated) whether supporters like it or not; he's earned that much.
He got the summer woefully wrong. Who knows how much/little he was given, but Nichols has been a catastrophic signing. He might work hard, but Luke James worked hard and would have cost a fraction of the price and would have contributed just as much (on the basis he couldn't' have contributed any less). I'm not for one minute saying that Luke James would have been the answer; just pointing out that if we had gone for him instead of Nichols, we probably could have still brought in a LM and a DM, and we'd surely be a stronger outfit for it.
That said, there is still January and - based on the signings we made at the same time last year - there's every chance a decent bit of recruitment will propel us to where we were last season.
So yes, mistakes have been made this summer and yes - I really hope DC is looking at himself and thinking "I got it wrong this year". But he is a young manager, learning his trade and he has done a fantastic job with us so far.
Relegation aside, he should be given this season whatever happens as he's earned that much IMO - but then I'd certainly want us to progress next season in terms of points tally and league position.
On a side note, some of the abuse that arguably our best ever manager - and unquestionably one of them - is receiving from some on this thread/forum is appalling, and you should be thoroughly embarrassed and ashamed of yourselves.
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Post by Marshy on Oct 18, 2017 9:38:49 GMT
Come on Russgas get this weeks prediction league up. Could do with something too take my mind off this appalling / bad taste in the mouth thread!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2017 9:46:55 GMT
Sorry mate what's lofl mean ? Laugh out f&cking loud
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2017 9:56:20 GMT
I don't think he's inept not for one moment but I do think that our away record is somewhat gung-ho so far this season and this obviously needs to be addressed , it's tactically not working but D.C. Hasn't seemed to have grasped this fact when it's plain to see, I like our manager but sometimes our away performances are a real head scratcher in terms of how we set ourselves up , I do think that it's his tactics that are letting us down on the road because overall at home we look fairly solid, he needs to change his strategy on our travels and stop the alarming goal influx and perhaps build from there. I said from the outset we would lose 3-0 last night because we are too predictable in our approach away from home , I wasn't that far from the mark when all said and done.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2017 9:59:31 GMT
There's absolutely zero chance of us going up this year but I don't really care if I'm honest; we're simply not ready. Does that mean I'd turn it down it if it was offered to us on a plate? Of course not. But some reality checks are needed. Every year (prior to this season) we have made significant progress under DC and our 10th place finish last year was our best finish in the league for getting on for two entire decades. Do I think we'll improve upon last season? In all honesty, probably not. But do I think we'll get relegated? No. Therefore, to be totally honest, it doesn't make an enormous great difference if we finish 10th or 19th - either way, we don't win a title and we are in L1 next season. Is that an acceptable mentality to retain? Of course not. But 3 promotions in 4 years - and our highest league finish for almost two decades in the one year we didn't get promoted - means one poor season (that doesn't result in relegation) isn't exactly the end of the world. To be honest, the amount DC has achieved, he deserves a "write-off" season; a season where you fail to progress, arguably move backwards but come out and hold your hands up. If we at any point look like genuinely being relegated then sure; maybe we need to review his position. Furthermore, if we give him next summer, provided he is given a budget that should enable us to progress and yet he still fails to bring in a squad capable of doing so, then yes - it may be time at that point to say he's taken us as far as he can. But he definitely deserves the whole of this season (unless we are in genuine threat of being relegated) whether supporters like it or not; he's earned that much. He got the summer woefully wrong. Who knows how much/little he was given, but Nichols has been a catastrophic signing. He might work hard, but Luke James worked hard and would have cost a fraction of the price and would have contributed just as much (on the basis he couldn't' have contributed any less). I'm not for one minute saying that Luke James would have been the answer; just pointing out that if we had gone for him instead of Nichols, we probably could have still brought in a LM and a DM, and we'd surely be a stronger outfit for it. That said, there is still January and - based on the signings we made at the same time last year - there's every chance a decent bit of recruitment will propel us to where we were last season. So yes, mistakes have been made this summer and yes - I really hope DC is looking at himself and thinking "I got it wrong this year". But he is a young manager, learning his trade and he has done a fantastic job with us so far. Relegation aside, he should be given this season whatever happens as he's earned that much IMO - but then I'd certainly want us to progress next season in terms of points tally and league position. On a side note, some of the abuse that arguably our best ever manager - and unquestionably one of them - is receiving from some on this thread/forum is appalling, and you should be thoroughly embarrassed and ashamed of yourselves. Calling for his head are in my opinion a bit strong but as it's a forum for debate and you are indeed a moderator for this forum then surely you should be encouraging others to have their opinion?
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 18, 2017 10:07:37 GMT
Paul hurst the Shrewsbury manager has no experience at L1 level and apart from a play off promotion at Grimsby where it took him 4 attempts to get out of the conference he hardly set the world alight in L2. And I think that's the problem here. We had so much success under DC so quickly some now think he is out of his depth. When really we have just levelled off. This year he has had to build a new spine of a team for this season, there will be ups and downs, I am not saying that we shouldn't expect to be better than what we are because we should be. But let's give this DC bashing a rest. There is no other manager in L1 who I would rather have at our club. There is no manager in L2 that is better than what we have. We are damn lucky we still have DC, he has shown us loyalty in the past, time for us to show a bit back in a rocky spell. Get to January and then make some signings and have a good go towards the end of the year. Well done 1981, a bit of perspective. Experience shows me that DC usually gets it right. Poor start in the Conference, given time he got it right. League 2 we couldn’t win at home before November, come December and onwards he got it very right and in a way continued up to now at home. This time last year we were conceding lots of goals and after Christmas that ceased and we became much harder to score against. (Yes I know the last few matches weren’t so good but we were still in it right up to 44 games)His tendency to tinker with the formation is frustrating but I suspect he will have learnt and as in the past I am confident he will sort it out. And as you say 1981, he showed us loyalty so it’s about time we did the same. Blimey, some on here are sounding like a certain team south of the river ffs. UTG!
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Post by Colyton Gas on Oct 18, 2017 10:10:05 GMT
D.C is a real positive in our current situation with no progress as ever on a stadium or training complex on the horizon.Can't be easy to attract players with our tented stands and tin pot ground.Money and strong leadership needed.D.C. is Rovers through and through despite the broken promises from his employers.Think we really would be in the mire without him despite his failed signings like Luke James,Nicholls and Byron Moore.Two years ago he said we desperately needed to improve the club's infrastructure but as ever nothing has happened. Think in his shoes I'd be tempted to accept any offer from another club.Hope we keep him. Think we'll all feel better when we win at Rochdale.In D.C we trust.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 18, 2017 10:12:27 GMT
There's absolutely zero chance of us going up this year but I don't really care if I'm honest; we're simply not ready. Does that mean I'd turn it down it if it was offered to us on a plate? Of course not. But some reality checks are needed. Every year (prior to this season) we have made significant progress under DC and our 10th place finish last year was our best finish in the league for getting on for two entire decades. Do I think we'll improve upon last season? In all honesty, probably not. But do I think we'll get relegated? No. Therefore, to be totally honest, it doesn't make an enormous great difference if we finish 10th or 19th - either way, we don't win a title and we are in L1 next season. Is that an acceptable mentality to retain? Of course not. But 3 promotions in 4 years - and our highest league finish for almost two decades in the one year we didn't get promoted - means one poor season (that doesn't result in relegation) isn't exactly the end of the world. To be honest, the amount DC has achieved, he deserves a "write-off" season; a season where you fail to progress, arguably move backwards but come out and hold your hands up. If we at any point look like genuinely being relegated then sure; maybe we need to review his position. Furthermore, if we give him next summer, provided he is given a budget that should enable us to progress and yet he still fails to bring in a squad capable of doing so, then yes - it may be time at that point to say he's taken us as far as he can. But he definitely deserves the whole of this season (unless we are in genuine threat of being relegated) whether supporters like it or not; he's earned that much. He got the summer woefully wrong. Who knows how much/little he was given, but Nichols has been a catastrophic signing. He might work hard, but Luke James worked hard and would have cost a fraction of the price and would have contributed just as much (on the basis he couldn't' have contributed any less). I'm not for one minute saying that Luke James would have been the answer; just pointing out that if we had gone for him instead of Nichols, we probably could have still brought in a LM and a DM, and we'd surely be a stronger outfit for it. That said, there is still January and - based on the signings we made at the same time last year - there's every chance a decent bit of recruitment will propel us to where we were last season. So yes, mistakes have been made this summer and yes - I really hope DC is looking at himself and thinking "I got it wrong this year". But he is a young manager, learning his trade and he has done a fantastic job with us so far. Relegation aside, he should be given this season whatever happens as he's earned that much IMO - but then I'd certainly want us to progress next season in terms of points tally and league position. On a side note, some of the abuse that arguably our best ever manager - and unquestionably one of them - is receiving from some on this thread/forum is appalling, and you should be thoroughly embarrassed and ashamed of yourselves. Calling for his head are in my opinion a bit strong but as it's a forum for debate and you are indeed a moderator for this forum then surely you should be encouraging others to have their opinion? Why should someone call for people to have a completely contradictory view to their own regardless if they are a moderator or not?? Some of the stuff on here is utter bollocks. As moderators we allow people to post this sh**e but we don't have to agree with it or condone it.
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Oct 18, 2017 10:19:52 GMT
Calling for his head are in my opinion a bit strong but as it's a forum for debate and you are indeed a moderator for this forum then surely you should be encouraging others to have their opinion? Why should someone call for people to have a completely contradictory view to their own regardless if they are a moderator or not?? Some of the stuff on here is utter bollocks. As moderators we allow people to post this sh**e but we don't have to agree with it or condone it. Allow ?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 18, 2017 10:26:06 GMT
Why should someone call for people to have a completely contradictory view to their own regardless if they are a moderator or not?? Some of the stuff on here is utter bollocks. As moderators we allow people to post this sh**e but we don't have to agree with it or condone it. Allow ? Yes. Allow. All posts are, in effect, allowed given that technically we have the power to remove and/or edit them. Failure to recognise or acknowledge this would probably lead to some pedantic poster picking up on it and posting a sarcastic reply which if course none of us would want.
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Post by baggins on Oct 18, 2017 10:47:54 GMT
Calling for his head are in my opinion a bit strong but as it's a forum for debate and you are indeed a moderator for this forum then surely you should be encouraging others to have their opinion? Why should someone call for people to have a completely contradictory view to their own regardless if they are a moderator or not?? Some of the stuff on here is utter bollocks. As moderators we allow people to post this sh**e but we don't have to agree with it or condone it. Hey, bollocks gets past the swear filter!
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 18, 2017 10:50:22 GMT
Why should someone call for people to have a completely contradictory view to their own regardless if they are a moderator or not?? Some of the stuff on here is utter bollocks. As moderators we allow people to post this sh**e but we don't have to agree with it or condone it. Hey, bollocks gets past the swear filter! With the amount talked on here after every loss it seemed remiss for it not to.
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Oct 18, 2017 11:02:45 GMT
Yes. Allow. All posts are, in effect, allowed given that technically we have the power to remove and/or edit them. Failure to recognise or acknowledge this would probably lead to some pedantic poster picking up on it and posting a sarcastic reply which if course none of us would want. Now now don't be a bitch Hugo
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 18, 2017 11:08:13 GMT
Yes. Allow. All posts are, in effect, allowed given that technically we have the power to remove and/or edit them. Failure to recognise or acknowledge this would probably lead to some pedantic poster picking up on it and posting a sarcastic reply which if course none of us would want. Now now don't be a bitch Hugo Heh heh. Yeah, sorry I should have included a wink there. Xxx
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Post by RD on Oct 18, 2017 11:08:58 GMT
There's absolutely zero chance of us going up this year but I don't really care if I'm honest; we're simply not ready. Does that mean I'd turn it down it if it was offered to us on a plate? Of course not. But some reality checks are needed. Every year (prior to this season) we have made significant progress under DC and our 10th place finish last year was our best finish in the league for getting on for two entire decades. Do I think we'll improve upon last season? In all honesty, probably not. But do I think we'll get relegated? No. Therefore, to be totally honest, it doesn't make an enormous great difference if we finish 10th or 19th - either way, we don't win a title and we are in L1 next season. Is that an acceptable mentality to retain? Of course not. But 3 promotions in 4 years - and our highest league finish for almost two decades in the one year we didn't get promoted - means one poor season (that doesn't result in relegation) isn't exactly the end of the world. To be honest, the amount DC has achieved, he deserves a "write-off" season; a season where you fail to progress, arguably move backwards but come out and hold your hands up. If we at any point look like genuinely being relegated then sure; maybe we need to review his position. Furthermore, if we give him next summer, provided he is given a budget that should enable us to progress and yet he still fails to bring in a squad capable of doing so, then yes - it may be time at that point to say he's taken us as far as he can. But he definitely deserves the whole of this season (unless we are in genuine threat of being relegated) whether supporters like it or not; he's earned that much. He got the summer woefully wrong. Who knows how much/little he was given, but Nichols has been a catastrophic signing. He might work hard, but Luke James worked hard and would have cost a fraction of the price and would have contributed just as much (on the basis he couldn't' have contributed any less). I'm not for one minute saying that Luke James would have been the answer; just pointing out that if we had gone for him instead of Nichols, we probably could have still brought in a LM and a DM, and we'd surely be a stronger outfit for it. That said, there is still January and - based on the signings we made at the same time last year - there's every chance a decent bit of recruitment will propel us to where we were last season. So yes, mistakes have been made this summer and yes - I really hope DC is looking at himself and thinking "I got it wrong this year". But he is a young manager, learning his trade and he has done a fantastic job with us so far. Relegation aside, he should be given this season whatever happens as he's earned that much IMO - but then I'd certainly want us to progress next season in terms of points tally and league position. On a side note, some of the abuse that arguably our best ever manager - and unquestionably one of them - is receiving from some on this thread/forum is appalling, and you should be thoroughly embarrassed and ashamed of yourselves. Calling for his head are in my opinion a bit strong but as it's a forum for debate and you are indeed a moderator for this forum then surely you should be encouraging others to have their opinion? I haven't said anywhere that people cannot have an opinion or debate. By the same logic, it's my opinion that people asking for DC to be sacked are talking bollocks. And I'm equally entitled to that opinion. Being a mod has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on what opinions I hold.
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Post by gaseous on Oct 18, 2017 11:10:44 GMT
Ridiculous thread, show some loyalty towards the team and our manager. Get behind them when having a bad spell, it won't help booing them off the pitch at half or full time. Christ alive some people need to have a reality check, what DC has done for this club since taking over has been nothing short of a miracle with the resources he had. Ok so it's not going so well and yes he needs to sort a few things out but doesn't he always. Our seasons are start slow end strong and he has my full backing. The inept manager's are the ones before him. UTG
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Post by 68 on Oct 18, 2017 11:15:59 GMT
There's absolutely zero chance of us going up this year but I don't really care if I'm honest; we're simply not ready. Does that mean I'd turn it down it if it was offered to us on a plate? Of course not. But some reality checks are needed. Every year (prior to this season) we have made significant progress under DC and our 10th place finish last year was our best finish in the league for getting on for two entire decades. Do I think we'll improve upon last season? In all honesty, probably not. But do I think we'll get relegated? No. Therefore, to be totally honest, it doesn't make an enormous great difference if we finish 10th or 19th - either way, we don't win a title and we are in L1 next season. Is that an acceptable mentality to retain? Of course not. But 3 promotions in 4 years - and our highest league finish for almost two decades in the one year we didn't get promoted - means one poor season (that doesn't result in relegation) isn't exactly the end of the world. To be honest, the amount DC has achieved, he deserves a "write-off" season; a season where you fail to progress, arguably move backwards but come out and hold your hands up. If we at any point look like genuinely being relegated then sure; maybe we need to review his position. Furthermore, if we give him next summer, provided he is given a budget that should enable us to progress and yet he still fails to bring in a squad capable of doing so, then yes - it may be time at that point to say he's taken us as far as he can. But he definitely deserves the whole of this season (unless we are in genuine threat of being relegated) whether supporters like it or not; he's earned that much. He got the summer woefully wrong. Who knows how much/little he was given, but Nichols has been a catastrophic signing. He might work hard, but Luke James worked hard and would have cost a fraction of the price and would have contributed just as much (on the basis he couldn't' have contributed any less). I'm not for one minute saying that Luke James would have been the answer; just pointing out that if we had gone for him instead of Nichols, we probably could have still brought in a LM and a DM, and we'd surely be a stronger outfit for it. That said, there is still January and - based on the signings we made at the same time last year - there's every chance a decent bit of recruitment will propel us to where we were last season. So yes, mistakes have been made this summer and yes - I really hope DC is looking at himself and thinking "I got it wrong this year". But he is a young manager, learning his trade and he has done a fantastic job with us so far. Relegation aside, he should be given this season whatever happens as he's earned that much IMO - but then I'd certainly want us to progress next season in terms of points tally and league position. On a side note, some of the abuse that arguably our best ever manager - and unquestionably one of them - is receiving from some on this thread/forum is appalling, and you should be thoroughly embarrassed and ashamed of yourselves. Did he get it wrong in the summer? He knew the players he needed (at the very least he knew the type of players he wanted) but couldn't get them in. Would you rather he brought in the wrong ones or the right ones at the wrong price (yes, of course, there's another story/discussion there). Whether he is using what he's got in the right way is a different matter though. Presonally I feel for Rollin. Has a great game when called on (also played really well in the pre-season games I saw) and then can't even get on the bench when two players, currently in poor form, come back. We have no defensive midfielder to replace Mansell. We play with no real width.
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Post by Fetch on Oct 18, 2017 11:24:52 GMT
There's absolutely zero chance of us going up this year but I don't really care if I'm honest; we're simply not ready. Does that mean I'd turn it down it if it was offered to us on a plate? Of course not. But some reality checks are needed. Every year (prior to this season) we have made significant progress under DC and our 10th place finish last year was our best finish in the league for getting on for two entire decades. Do I think we'll improve upon last season? In all honesty, probably not. But do I think we'll get relegated? No. Therefore, to be totally honest, it doesn't make an enormous great difference if we finish 10th or 19th - either way, we don't win a title and we are in L1 next season. Is that an acceptable mentality to retain? Of course not. But 3 promotions in 4 years - and our highest league finish for almost two decades in the one year we didn't get promoted - means one poor season (that doesn't result in relegation) isn't exactly the end of the world. To be honest, the amount DC has achieved, he deserves a "write-off" season; a season where you fail to progress, arguably move backwards but come out and hold your hands up. If we at any point look like genuinely being relegated then sure; maybe we need to review his position. Furthermore, if we give him next summer, provided he is given a budget that should enable us to progress and yet he still fails to bring in a squad capable of doing so, then yes - it may be time at that point to say he's taken us as far as he can. But he definitely deserves the whole of this season (unless we are in genuine threat of being relegated) whether supporters like it or not; he's earned that much. He got the summer woefully wrong. Who knows how much/little he was given, but Nichols has been a catastrophic signing. He might work hard, but Luke James worked hard and would have cost a fraction of the price and would have contributed just as much (on the basis he couldn't' have contributed any less). I'm not for one minute saying that Luke James would have been the answer; just pointing out that if we had gone for him instead of Nichols, we probably could have still brought in a LM and a DM, and we'd surely be a stronger outfit for it. That said, there is still January and - based on the signings we made at the same time last year - there's every chance a decent bit of recruitment will propel us to where we were last season. So yes, mistakes have been made this summer and yes - I really hope DC is looking at himself and thinking "I got it wrong this year". But he is a young manager, learning his trade and he has done a fantastic job with us so far. Relegation aside, he should be given this season whatever happens as he's earned that much IMO - but then I'd certainly want us to progress next season in terms of points tally and league position. On a side note, some of the abuse that arguably our best ever manager - and unquestionably one of them - is receiving from some on this thread/forum is appalling, and you should be thoroughly embarrassed and ashamed of yourselves. Great post, spot on.
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Oct 18, 2017 11:58:13 GMT
Now now don't be a bitch Hugo Heh heh. Yeah, sorry I should have included a wink there. Xxx wink wink say no more
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