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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2017 16:08:48 GMT
I have been a critic of DC this season. Anyone who thinks presiding over and generating such inconsistency in the team is evidence of a high quality manager, is wrong. BUT....he may not openly admit it but he is learning the trade. He needs far more experience around him, on and off the field. His recruitment was poor. I cite the Shrewsbury fan who describes their CDM as "big strong and very tough to get past, sits infront of the defence." Why haven't we got someone like that? There have been many positives this season, but performances like last night do not bode well for the season as a whole. Incidentally, those who say this is a season of consolidation are naive. The players and coaching staff want success. That's what determines their livelihoods and career prospects. But I fear something is not right in DCs attitude. I don't think it is arrogance, but maybe he's too proud to admit he needs experienced support. nail on the head
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Post by rememberhalifax on Oct 18, 2017 16:14:10 GMT
There's absolutely zero chance of us going up this year but I don't really care if I'm honest; we're simply not ready. Does that mean I'd turn it down it if it was offered to us on a plate? Of course not. But some reality checks are needed. Every year (prior to this season) we have made significant progress under DC and our 10th place finish last year was our best finish in the league for getting on for two entire decades. Do I think we'll improve upon last season? In all honesty, probably not. But do I think we'll get relegated? No. Therefore, to be totally honest, it doesn't make an enormous great difference if we finish 10th or 19th - either way, we don't win a title and we are in L1 next season. Is that an acceptable mentality to retain? Of course not. But 3 promotions in 4 years - and our highest league finish for almost two decades in the one year we didn't get promoted - means one poor season (that doesn't result in relegation) isn't exactly the end of the world. To be honest, the amount DC has achieved, he deserves a "write-off" season; a season where you fail to progress, arguably move backwards but come out and hold your hands up. If we at any point look like genuinely being relegated then sure; maybe we need to review his position. Furthermore, if we give him next summer, provided he is given a budget that should enable us to progress and yet he still fails to bring in a squad capable of doing so, then yes - it may be time at that point to say he's taken us as far as he can. But he definitely deserves the whole of this season (unless we are in genuine threat of being relegated) whether supporters like it or not; he's earned that much. He got the summer woefully wrong. Who knows how much/little he was given, but Nichols has been a catastrophic signing. He might work hard, but Luke James worked hard and would have cost a fraction of the price and would have contributed just as much (on the basis he couldn't' have contributed any less). I'm not for one minute saying that Luke James would have been the answer; just pointing out that if we had gone for him instead of Nichols, we probably could have still brought in a LM and a DM, and we'd surely be a stronger outfit for it. That said, there is still January and - based on the signings we made at the same time last year - there's every chance a decent bit of recruitment will propel us to where we were last season. So yes, mistakes have been made this summer and yes - I really hope DC is looking at himself and thinking "I got it wrong this year". But he is a young manager, learning his trade and he has done a fantastic job with us so far. Relegation aside, he should be given this season whatever happens as he's earned that much IMO - but then I'd certainly want us to progress next season in terms of points tally and league position. On a side note, some of the abuse that arguably our best ever manager - and unquestionably one of them - is receiving from some on this thread/forum is appalling, and you should be thoroughly embarrassed and ashamed of yourselves.
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Post by gascade on Oct 18, 2017 16:26:29 GMT
How many sh1theads on this thread? I'm going for 3. how about naming them fella It seems to me ,for whatever reason certain players are no longer playing for the shirt,a lot of investment has gone into the various developement squads how many have appeared in the first team squad ?.What incentive is there when you know you are going to play each week regardless of form,That to me is a sign of failure on the part of the management team,prime example Northampton didnt score against us within a week both centre halves are dropped to be replaced by players clearly out of form.
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Post by Icegas on Oct 18, 2017 16:31:46 GMT
I'd go for Mark MaGee - Director of Football Ray Graydon - Manager Gary Thompson - No2 Paul Buckle - Head Coach Then I'd get my coat!!!! That will be just after I shot you!😂
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Post by costahotshot on Oct 18, 2017 16:38:49 GMT
Inept tactics from an arragant Manager who thinks he is being clever changing formation and personnel each week. There has never been a successful Manager in football who has done this, been lucky in the past time to move on. Close the door on your way out, in DC we trust UTG
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Post by Icegas on Oct 18, 2017 16:43:05 GMT
I personally would take what DC has done for us last season and even this one thus far (including the loses) over what every other manager as done since paul Trollope and Lennie.And then everyone after the Holloway era until Trolls took over. DC is our greatest manager ever - period. The back to back promotions saved our club and put its soul back into it.This season has been half good, and half bad.DC goes out to win games but the problem is he does not have the players to dominate like we did in L2 and the Conference.He has been to loyal to some out of form players like Locks and Sweeny and this is where he is making the mistake andvI belive he needs to and will learn from this. DC is loyal to the Gas.He loves the club and is the right man to take us to the next level and beyond.But maybe some people would rather go back to the most painfull football to watch like under - Buckle,Mcgree and Atkins? What about going back to the worst football this club has ever played ( I include Grayson here) and bring back John ward and his style of soccer... I can't agree that he is our greatest manager ever.until he has won promotion to the division above he cannot be called that as Tann. Megson and Francis all lead us to promotion from this division How does gaining a promotion to the 2nd level mean someone is better than a manager that has two promotions that were back to back at our club and saved our club? DC got screwed into taking the job with 8 games to go in 2014 when joke ward jogged on after creating our worst side ever that took us out of the league. He took the job and the flack that went with it like a man and rebuilt the club again, and got us out of the 5th level in less than a year (which if we hadn't, could have killed our club) He then got another promotion taking us back to our historical level that we are now at. Sorry,respect to Tann,Megson and Francis but I don't think there is any debate in this matter. DC is the only man with two promotions as a manager in our history,one being the most important one ever.
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Post by baggins on Oct 18, 2017 16:51:11 GMT
How many sh1theads on this thread? I'm going for 3. how about naming them fella Don't need to.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2017 16:54:10 GMT
I can't agree that he is our greatest manager ever.until he has won promotion to the division above he cannot be called that as Tann. Megson and Francis all lead us to promotion from this division How does gaining a promotion to the 2nd level mean someone is better than a manager that has two promotions that were back to back at our club and saved our club? DC got screwed into taking the job with 8 games to go in 2014 when joke ward jogged on after creating our worst side ever that took us out of the league. He took the job and the flack that went with it like a man and rebuilt the club again, and got us out of the 5th level in less than a year (which if we hadn't, could have killed our club) He then got another promotion taking us back to our historical level that we are now at. Sorry,respect to Tann,Megson and Francis but I don't think there is any debate in this matter. DC is the only man with two promotions as a manager in our history,one being the most important one ever. Sorry to ruin your misconceptions of the relegation season ward did not jog off as you say he was told that clarke was taking good over for the last 8 games and he would be director of football. Ward want to see the season through and if the worst thing happened he would take full responsibility. Unfortunately the Chairman decided otherwise. You may not think there is any debate about managers abilities but if you held a poll with all rovers fans not just those in a forum you will find that a lot agree with me
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Post by aghast on Oct 18, 2017 17:00:04 GMT
I think DC will decide to leave before anyone decides he should.
Tthe most worrying question for me is who on earth could replace him and do as well as he has with a small budget and terrible facilities?
Managers good enough to work miracles aren't going to join Bristol Rovers, and I can't see how we can do better than to stick wit the man we have, for as long as we have him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2017 17:01:14 GMT
I can't agree that he is our greatest manager ever.until he has won promotion to the division above he cannot be called that as Tann. Megson and Francis all lead us to promotion from this division How does gaining a promotion to the 2nd level mean someone is better than a manager that has two promotions that were back to back at our club and saved our club? DC got screwed into taking the job with 8 games to go in 2014 when joke ward jogged on after creating our worst side ever that took us out of the league. He took the job and the flack that went with it like a man and rebuilt the club again, and got us out of the 5th level in less than a year (which if we hadn't, could have killed our club) He then got another promotion taking us back to our historical level that we are now at. Sorry,respect to Tann,Megson and Francis but I don't think there is any debate in this matter. DC is the only man with two promotions as a manager in our history,one being the most important one ever. Were you around when Bert Tann, Don Megson, Bill Dodgin and Gerry Francis were managers of this club if you not I don't really think you're in a position to make those sort of statements and judgements. And whether you like it or not DC was part of the management team and the manager when we were relegated - so plenty of debate if you like but you may well be out of your depth.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Oct 18, 2017 17:12:56 GMT
I think DC will decide to leave before anyone decides he should. Tthe most worrying question for me is who on earth could replace him and do as well as he has with a small budget and terrible facilities? Managers good enough to work miracles aren't going to join Bristol Rovers, and I can't see how we can do better than to stick wit the man we have, for as long as we have him. Agree.DC promised new infrastructure and all we have is another tent.Think his patience may run out without genuine-not empty political spurious promises- progress.Not sure where we will train next season if the Colony falls through.We as fans have to accept the lack of any meaningful updates but DC must be dismayed when he visits proper stadiums every other week.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 18, 2017 17:17:09 GMT
How does gaining a promotion to the 2nd level mean someone is better than a manager that has two promotions that were back to back at our club and saved our club? DC got screwed into taking the job with 8 games to go in 2014 when joke ward jogged on after creating our worst side ever that took us out of the league. He took the job and the flack that went with it like a man and rebuilt the club again, and got us out of the 5th level in less than a year (which if we hadn't, could have killed our club) He then got another promotion taking us back to our historical level that we are now at. Sorry,respect to Tann,Megson and Francis but I don't think there is any debate in this matter. DC is the only man with two promotions as a manager in our history,one being the most important one ever. Were you around when Bert Tann, Don Megson, Bill Dodgin and Gerry Francis were managers of this club if you not I don't really think you're in a position to make those sort of statements and judgements. And whether you like it or not DC was part of the management team and the manager when we were relegated - so plenty of debate if you like but you may well be out of your depth. Bert Tann was from a different footballing era, likewise was Don Megson I should still name his starting 11 today for the majority of the games we played in the promotion season, GF worked a minor miracle getting us promoted/established in Div 1 but then spoilt his record in his second spell, DC worked two miracles by turning the club around when we were relegated, look at Tranmere & Hartlepool to show how hard that is, then another one when we beat Accrington. I feel DC was stitched up by SH's "top 6 budgets" comments, if we'd all accepted he'd just have a competitive budget for Div 1 perhaps we'd be now happy with a mid table position. IF SH turns up tomorrow night then I hope he's asked to explain that comment.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Oct 18, 2017 17:18:34 GMT
Roverdrive is spot on!historically we now sit in 'OUR' position in the football pyramid, its a position we have occupied for most of the 60 odd years i have been watching Rovers,with the odd few years in tier 2 where we usually struggled ,'that 'period in the 50s excepted.To put DC in the worst manager category is an insult to the man and the effort he has put in to get us back to this level, and i would put him at the other end of the manager ratings, just think post Paul Trollope i.e Buckle and co!Some times even in the happiest of marriages partners do things which makes the other wonder 'why the heck did you do that '! but accept their right to do it and move on as we must post Shrewsbury! I'm sure DC will learn from this and every other game and he deserves respect and loyalty from all Gas heads . So come on all you fans ,think back to the conference days and be thankful for our salvation after all look at Tranmere, Hartlepool, and the like ,look how long it took Luton to recover, and some never did eg Stockport, have you seen where Torquay are now! In DC I TRUST! can't help thinking back to all the stick Ellis was getting post Scunthorpe last season ,look at him now , giving his all and getting rave reviews from fans , coaching staff , and opponents, he has obviously worked his socks off to get it right and trust DC to do likewise, come on you blues!
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Post by Big Jock on Oct 18, 2017 17:22:01 GMT
I think wees will improve as this season goes on and think we'll even push fur the play offs. Whether we get there i aint so sure but i think we've got a lot to look forward to and the season will go to the final games attempting to go up.
So there.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 18, 2017 17:22:52 GMT
how about naming them fella It seems to me ,for whatever reason certain players are no longer playing for the shirt,a lot of investment has gone into the various developement squads how many have appeared in the first team squad ?.What incentive is there when you know you are going to play each week regardless of form,That to me is a sign of failure on the part of the management team,prime example Northampton didnt score against us within a week both centre halves are dropped to be replaced by players clearly out of form. Broadbent, Andre, Rollin, the german striker & Broom have all appeared, who do you think is driving the development squad's existence if it's not DC? Broadbent was at fault for Oxford's goal so playing Sweeney made sense and I can't see he was directly to blame for any of the goals last night, Locks probably should be rested but is Rollin or Burn really going to be any better than a potential Wales International this summer. The fact DC's dropped Brown & Leads suggests he doesn't have too many favourites.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 18, 2017 17:24:41 GMT
I think wees will improve as this season goes on and think we'll even push fur the play offs. Whether we get there i aint so sure but i think we've got a lot to look forward to and the season will go to the final games attempting to go up. So there. Problem is nothing suggests we will improve, our run of mostly heavy defeats now goes back a long way and if Bodin is out for any length of time you do have to fear our home form will dip.
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Post by socrates on Oct 18, 2017 17:29:42 GMT
We're Rovers Supporters we're faithful and true.
Or are we ?
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Post by faggotygas on Oct 18, 2017 17:49:55 GMT
Inept tactics from an arragant Manager who thinks he is being clever changing formation and personnel each week. There has never been a successful Manager in football who has done this, been lucky in the past time to move on. How about Darrell Clarke, who gained 2 promotions on a row? Is that not successful?
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Post by ansell1 on Oct 18, 2017 17:58:06 GMT
It seems to me ,for whatever reason certain players are no longer playing for the shirt,a lot of investment has gone into the various developement squads how many have appeared in the first team squad ?.What incentive is there when you know you are going to play each week regardless of form,That to me is a sign of failure on the part of the management team,prime example Northampton didnt score against us within a week both centre halves are dropped to be replaced by players clearly out of form. Broadbent, Andre, Rollin, the german striker & Broom have all appeared, who do you think is driving the development squad's existence if it's not DC? Broadbent was at fault for Oxford's goal so playing Sweeney made sense and I can't see he was directly to blame for any of the goals last night, Locks probably should be rested but is Rollin or Burn really going to be any better than a potential Wales International this summer. The fact DC's dropped Brown & Leads suggests he doesn't have too many favourites. Your right Sweeney was not a fault for the first goal as he didn't even make it back into our box by the time the ball was in the net ! the second, tell me please who was he marking along with Lock's ? the third he got done like a kipper by the bloke who put the cross in and before the fourth he was lucky again but for a good save from Slocombe. !! maybe have a look at the highlights !!!!
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Post by barbarycoaster on Oct 18, 2017 18:08:36 GMT
I think wees will improve as this season goes on and think we'll even push fur the play offs. Whether we get there i aint so sure but i think we've got a lot to look forward to and the season will go to the final games attempting to go up. So there. My wees have improved after a visit to the doctor.
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