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Post by smudge1 on Nov 4, 2017 8:25:16 GMT
Can see that the way we play, especially away means we are overrun in midfield leaving our defence under pressure. We have played that way all season and still we are not learning. I do not want D.C. out as that is foolish, but I do want him to sort out our tactics because that is what is losing us games. Our away form is so bad, not just being beaten but hammered by some ordinary teams (Cobblers being the exception).
Something appears to be very wrong at the moment, D.C. body language indicates he is not happy, unsure if it is performances or what is or not happening in the background. WAQ appears to have gone silent which in itself is a worry, I don't know if any of the rumours are true about the ground, training facilities, lack of funds or selling up. WAQ needs to speak up himself and dispel some of the crap on this forum. He needs to stop wheeling out Hamer and allowing him to spout bollocks.
I don't know what happened in the summer regarding signings but we were left 3/4 players short, especially that of a decent defensive midfielder that sits in front of the back four. Too many players have played poorly this season so far. My take is as follows
Goalkeepers are decent for this standard but cannot deal with what is in front of them
Leads has not been 100% fit, is good attacking but a poor defender
Brown has been poor up to his standard
Lockyer I have serious concerns he is good enough at this level, the proof is in the pudding
Sweeney How can someone's form dip so badly, if he ever makes the premiership I will eat my hat
Broadbent for someone with limited league experience he has done well but he needs someone with more experience all aside him
Sercombe a decent player in there but cannot see how he and Lines can play in the same team
Lines as above, playing in a position that does not suite him
O Clarke another who has lost his form inexplically
Harrison The only player to come out with real credit especially for effort
Gaffney tried hard but not his fault with defensive and midfield set up
Moore Unfortunately not good enough or consistent enough
Nichols as Gaffney
Partington Good in flashes but another who does not seem fit
Sinclair great club man but simply not good enough for League 1
I travel away regularly but like many others think long and hard at the moment about spending my well earned money on travelling all over the country to see some sub standard performances. I am gas through and through and appreciate what D.C. has done for us in the last few seasons. I want him to succeed but think that the withdrawal of the UWE plans have seriously derailed us as a club and as supporters. I don't think the owners think the club is viable without a new stadium and I would not be surprised if they are looking to get out. Wael is a nice fellow but will soon have to start sitting away from the fans at away games as some of our 'belter' supporters may turn on him.
January will tell us all we need to know, if no Investment is made I think D.C. will walk, justifiably IMO.
Yes we are closer to the play offs and people say don't panic but even the games we have won we have looked very average (Cobblers excepted) and the cracks have been papered over. I love this club and its been a massive part of my life for 48 years, the situation will be sorted but when I honestly cannot guess. Anyway keep the faith and UTG.
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Post by sfdgas on Nov 4, 2017 9:01:16 GMT
Good post and agree with almost all of it. January is huge for us and can't come soon enough. Would like to see us shut up shop away from home until then.
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Post by Thatslife on Nov 4, 2017 9:46:24 GMT
Away from home I believe that playing 2 "creative" midfield players is not a good idea, it's accepted that Lines is not a good tackler, that from DC himself, so surely replacing him with another defensive type would seem a logical decision.
I was quite impressed, at the West Ham game with Luke Russe, reminds me a little of Frankie Prince in the way he plays. Maybe its time to give him a chance to tighten up our leaky midfield which the opposition seem to walk through at will.
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Post by albaron on Nov 4, 2017 10:30:11 GMT
The OP's post is possibly the most accurate and truest post I have ever read on this forum.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 4, 2017 11:08:43 GMT
Some of our games have been painful to watch recently, watching the players making the same mistakes time and time again within both the same match and subsequent matches. It's clearly a tactical issue as different players are making the same errors from different starting 11s. Wasn't able to see last nights match but the stuff that didn't work against West Ham has been visible in first team games. We also have a tendency to play extremely negative back to the keeper when there's no need for it, especially when we're up against it losing matches. Stuart Sinclair is very guilty of this.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 11:21:10 GMT
We just seem so vulnerable and brittle when things go against us right now,unable to steady the ship as a team when things go wrong.
In hindsight dc might have signed an experienced centre-back like michael turner but nobody could have predicted sweeney would look so out of sorts.
I think dc will need to get a few out of the door to bring players in january.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 11:31:17 GMT
The OP's post is possibly the most accurate and truest post I have ever read on this forum. Agreed. Not a rant but a sensible view from someone not claiming to be in the know but what they see and feel. Feel the same. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 4, 2017 11:37:49 GMT
I don't get all these "January can't come quick enough" comments as why will January be any different than the summer, as it's not like DC's just starting out in Div 1 he had a full season last season to work out where we needed to improve during the summer and failed either due:
1) The owners are not supporting him in the transfer market
2) For some reason he's incapable of signing the players we need
3) Steve Yates is a far bigger miss than we thought he would be, can Wael make him an offer he can't refuse to return now he's back in England, if not, then a new defence coach maybe more important than new players as something's gone with Leads, Brown, Locks, Sweeney and Clark this season when it come to defending.
Plus the elephant in the room is that we could well lose Bodin for a give away price in January, if so, will DC get any money to spend or will any transfer fee just go to pay off our ever increasing debts.
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Post by 84gas on Nov 4, 2017 11:39:26 GMT
What worry’s me ( not half as much as 3 yrs ago lets be real) is we will not spend money in Jan. It is an awkward, inflated time to buy at the best of times. If im wrong it could show the board misjudged our budget in the summer thinking it was top 6 competitive and if they do spend it will show they are real about progressing. What happens in jan will illustrate wether the owners have any real ambition and money to inject imo. 1 non league purchase and 2 loans is my forcast or worse BB gone for 500k....will reserve judgment untill then and if negative I will be vocal about wanting new owners.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 11:57:36 GMT
What worry’s me ( not half as much as 3 yrs ago lets be real) is we will not spend money in Jan. It is an awkward, inflated time to buy at the best of times. If im wrong it could show the board misjudged our budget in the summer thinking it was top 6 competitive and if they do spend it will show they are real about progressing. What happens in jan will illustrate wether the owners have any real ambition and money to inject imo. 1 non league purchase and 2 loans is my forcast or worse BB gone for 500k....will reserve judgment untill then and if negative I will be vocal about wanting new owners. Pressed the dislike button in error. IMO spend will be determined by whether we have a relegation issue to worry about. We certainly won't be having to spend to sustain a promotion push. I dont think "ambition" necessarily comes into it at the moment, it's more a worry of retaining our league position and spend if any, will reflect that. if we are mid table and comfortable I cannot see a big cash injection - unless of course if BB is sold for mega bucks - and maybe then he will given something to spend. |
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Post by Squiffy on Nov 4, 2017 11:59:51 GMT
In his post match interview DC did say he was ruthless, and he proved that last season by telling several senior players that they were no longer in his plans. He is also fair in that he gave the squad that won promotion a chance to prove themselves in the first part of the season before ringing the changes in January. I have no doubt that he is doing exactly the same this year, assessing the squad over a period of games to see who is capable of performing at this level. However something about his demeanour last night looked to me like he his patience has run out with a few players and he is about to make some serious decisions for the good of the club but also for his own reputation. I wager that there will be some surprises in the line up for next league game.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 4, 2017 13:20:29 GMT
Can see that the way we play, especially away means we are overrun in midfield leaving our defence under pressure. We have played that way all season and still we are not learning. I do not want D.C. out as that is foolish, but I do want him to sort out our tactics because that is what is losing us games. Our away form is so bad, not just being beaten but hammered by some ordinary teams (Cobblers being the exception). Something appears to be very wrong at the moment, D.C. body language indicates he is not happy, unsure if it is performances or what is or not happening in the background. WAQ appears to have gone silent which in itself is a worry, I don't know if any of the rumours are true about the ground, training facilities, lack of funds or selling up. WAQ needs to speak up himself and dispel some of the crap on this forum. He needs to stop wheeling out Hamer and allowing him to spout bollocks. I don't know what happened in the summer regarding signings but we were left 3/4 players short, especially that of a decent defensive midfielder that sits in front of the back four. Too many players have played poorly this season so far. My take is as follows Goalkeepers are decent for this standard but cannot deal with what is in front of them Leads has not been 100% fit, is good attacking but a poor defender Brown has been poor up to his standard Lockyer I have serious concerns he is good enough at this level, the proof is in the pudding Sweeney How can someone's form dip so badly, if he ever makes the premiership I will eat my hat Broadbent for someone with limited league experience he has done well but he needs someone with more experience all aside him Sercombe a decent player in there but cannot see how he and Lines can play in the same team Lines as above, playing in a position that does not suite him O Clarke another who has lost his form inexplically Harrison The only player to come out with real credit especially for effort Gaffney tried hard but not his fault with defensive and midfield set up Moore Unfortunately not good enough or consistent enough Nichols as Gaffney Partington Good in flashes but another who does not seem fit Sinclair great club man but simply not good enough for League 1 I travel away regularly but like many others think long and hard at the moment about spending my well earned money on travelling all over the country to see some sub standard performances. I am gas through and through and appreciate what D.C. has done for us in the last few seasons. I want him to succeed but think that the withdrawal of the UWE plans have seriously derailed us as a club and as supporters. I don't think the owners think the club is viable without a new stadium and I would not be surprised if they are looking to get out. Wael is a nice fellow but will soon have to start sitting away from the fans at away games as some of our 'belter' supporters may turn on him. January will tell us all we need to know, if no Investment is made I think D.C. will walk, justifiably IMO. Yes we are closer to the play offs and people say don't panic but even the games we have won we have looked very average (Cobblers excepted) and the cracks have been papered over. I love this club and its been a massive part of my life for 48 years, the situation will be sorted but when I honestly cannot guess. Anyway keep the faith and UTG. Every Post you write I have agreed with. This is a tactical mess for me and has been since the beginning. Playing three forwards to accommodate difficult positional players has left us utterly exposed in the middle. Time and time again. |
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Post by thegasfc on Nov 4, 2017 13:45:31 GMT
What worry’s me ( not half as much as 3 yrs ago lets be real) is we will not spend money in Jan. It is an awkward, inflated time to buy at the best of times. If im wrong it could show the board misjudged our budget in the summer thinking it was top 6 competitive and if they do spend it will show they are real about progressing. What happens in jan will illustrate wether the owners have any real ambition and money to inject imo. 1 non league purchase and 2 loans is my forcast or worse BB gone for 500k....will reserve judgment untill then and if negative I will be vocal about wanting new owners. IMO spend will be determined by whether we have a relegation issue to worry about. We certainly won't be having to spend to sustain a promotion push. I dont think "ambition" necessarily comes into it at the moment, it's more a worry of retaining our league position and spend if any, will reflect that. if we are mid table and comfortable I cannot see a big cash injection - unless of course if BB is sold for mega bucks - and maybe then he will given something to spend. Click it again then |
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Nov 4, 2017 13:50:05 GMT
Good post. With the squad we gave we are a mid table L1 side at best. The bubble on our back to back promotions has burst and the reality of not having enough quality is evident.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 4, 2017 13:55:48 GMT
In his post match interview DC did say he was ruthless, and he proved that last season by telling several senior players that they were no longer in his plans. He is also fair in that he gave the squad that won promotion a chance to prove themselves in the first part of the season before ringing the changes in January. I have no doubt that he is doing exactly the same this year, assessing the squad over a period of games to see who is capable of performing at this level. However something about his demeanour last night looked to me like he his patience has run out with a few players and he is about to make some serious decisions for the good of the club but also for his own reputation. I wager that there will be some surprises in the line up for next league game. What surprises? The return of Moore and Burn as that's all DC's got left as back ups? If he was ruthless last January and cleared out the deadwood then why does he need to do it again now? I can't for the life me understand why he didn't tell Moore to go in the summer as he may well have found a new club freeing up some wages, although the real weak link now seems to be Locks but I doubt he'll be told to find a new club!! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 14:20:42 GMT
Suprises?
Sweeney and telford return to stoke .
Burn,moore and partington told there contracts wont be extended in june and are free to leave.
Chris lines loaned to portsmouth.
Bodin sold to fulham for £250k but undisclosed.
Not all that will happen but it would free up some funds for bringing players in.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 15:04:11 GMT
The only thing I can see changing the way Rovers play is to put Mansell in the side. In a sweeper type role either just behind or in front the back four.
You cant expect him to run all over the shop but he could organise the team better from a deep position.
This will mean either Lines or Sercombe sitting on the bench.
If there was a younger player with organising skills and knowhow of the game in the squad I would choose them...but there isn't.
Ollie Clarke is having too much put on him and its shown.The same applies to Tom Lockyer.
For Scunthorpe away..perhaps something along the lines of
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---Bola------Clarke------Lines--------Sinclair---
Brown---Lockyer---Mansell---Broadbent---Partington
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Post by peterhooper57 on Nov 4, 2017 15:15:21 GMT
Great OP. For me, we need to hear from WAQ, we now need know the direction of the club and what is going to done and when; if he has lost interest, then disappointed but least he would have been honest and can **** off with our blessing. I feel sorry for DC said he was bringing in at least 11 better players than what he already had, ends up IMO bringing in 1. Going forward, DC needs to give players who have not been playing a chance and drop players who are not good enough and / or currently out of form, and then pray WAQ opens the cheque in January.
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Post by Bourne End Gas on Nov 4, 2017 15:18:44 GMT
The only thing I can see changing the way Rovers play is to put Mansell in the side. In a sweeper type role either just behind or in front the back four. You cant expect him to run all over the shop but he could organise the team better from a deep position. This will mean either Lines or Sercombe sitting on the bench. If there was a younger player with organising skills and knowhow of the game in the squad I would choose them...but there isn't. Ollie Clarke is having too much put on him and its shown.The same applies to Tom Lockyer. For Scunthorpe away..perhaps something along the lines of ------------------Harrison------------------ ---Bola------Clarke------Lines--------Sinclair--- Brown---Lockyer---Mansell---Broadbent---Partington ------------------Slocombe------------------------ How about bringing Mansell onto the senior coaching staff to replace Yates ? Manse was obviously well liked by the other senior pros and could pass on his experience from pitch side on match days ? You could see Yates passion and I am sure Manse would be the same |
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Post by justin blue on Nov 4, 2017 15:28:23 GMT
Trying to work out the analogy of the thread title. Would a blind man be any less blind in a dark room than a light room.  |
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