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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 18, 2017 5:19:56 GMT
I'm sorry but this is a re-hash of the same story that has been put out for the past 21 months. To be kind, it's unwise to allow it to be put out again when the fans and manager are crying out for substantive news. To be unkind, it's taking the p*ss. Having read the article , I have to agree with you. This is just what wael said from his early interviews , this has just been reworded. Or nothing has changed and his original plans and vision is still valid.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 18, 2017 6:20:27 GMT
I'm sorry but this is a re-hash of the same story that has been put out for the past 21 months. To be kind, it's unwise to allow it to be put out again when the fans and manager are crying out for substantive news. To be unkind, it's taking the p*ss. Attachments:
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Post by Okebournegas on Nov 18, 2017 9:07:20 GMT
Having read the article , I have to agree with you. This is just what wael said from his early interviews , this has just been reworded. Or nothing has changed and his original plans and vision is still valid. I really hope so Hugo. As my past posts suggest , i always have and will continue to have confidence in wael and co but I must admit I am starting to have a few doubts. I don't know if that's to do with the general negativity on here or just listening to the dc interview on Thursday, something doesn't feel quite right at the moment surrounding the club.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 18, 2017 9:19:00 GMT
Or nothing has changed and his original plans and vision is still valid. I really hope so Hugo. As my past posts suggest , i always have and will continue to have confidence in wael and co but I must admit I am starting to have a few doubts. I don't know if that's to do with the general negativity on here or just listening to the dc interview on Thursday, something doesn't feel quite right at the moment surrounding the club. Yeah, I get that. But if you hadn't read any of the anti board stuff how would you feel? Small improvements at the Mem. Paying actual money for players. Development squad improving. Announcement that Colony to progress in the new year. Senior staff recruitment. All of the above are actual things that have happened and are irrefutable. Everything else is conjecture. Even the fence is being paid for now the additional work has been completed. Ok, the Mem deal fell through. Would you want WAQ to sign off on us becoming another Coventry? Even with the charge on the Mem we are no worse off than we were 2 years ago when foreclosure was looking highly likely.
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Post by Iliveinbidefordgas on Nov 18, 2017 9:25:20 GMT
Personally I think it’s sll coming together slowly admittedly new year could be very interesting for this club building at colony??? New players jan??? £££ spent ? Will shall see what happens what ever you think going to be interesting that’s for sure!
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Post by oldgas on Nov 18, 2017 9:37:03 GMT
All the doomsday theorising seems to overlook one thing.
Why would the owners set out to run the club into debt, so that the only way to clear the debt and pay themselves back would be to sell the Mem in a year or so?
That means they would walk away with a zero profit. Where's the business or any other sort of sense in that?
If they had bought the club with the intention of realising the assets and walking away with a tidy profit they would have shut the club down, sold the Mem and walked away waving 2 fingers.
Any other scenario doesn't make sense in my simple world. Perhaps I'm missing something.
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Post by Okebournegas on Nov 18, 2017 9:47:26 GMT
I really hope so Hugo. As my past posts suggest , i always have and will continue to have confidence in wael and co but I must admit I am starting to have a few doubts. I don't know if that's to do with the general negativity on here or just listening to the dc interview on Thursday, something doesn't feel quite right at the moment surrounding the club. Yeah, I get that. But if you hadn't read any of the anti board stuff how would you feel? Small improvements at the Mem. Paying actual money for players. Development squad improving. Announcement that Colony to progress in the new year. Senior staff recruitment. All of the above are actual things that have happened and are irrefutable. Everything else is conjecture. Even the fence is being paid for now the additional work has been completed. Ok, the Mem deal fell through. Would you want WAQ to sign off on us becoming another Coventry? Even with the charge on the Mem we are no worse off than we were 2 years ago when foreclosure was looking highly likely. No way would I want a Coventry! You are completely right in what you have written in my opinion. If it wasn't for reading articles and listening to the constant rumours that have appeared of late I would still be in the mind set that things were continuing to progress off the field. Having said that I still feel that things do appear to have come to a grinding halt since the uwe fell through in regards to the colony. If the uwe wasn't in the best interest of the club i wholeheartedly agree with the owners decision to not go ahead with it.
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 18, 2017 9:52:06 GMT
I really hope so Hugo. As my past posts suggest , i always have and will continue to have confidence in wael and co but I must admit I am starting to have a few doubts. I don't know if that's to do with the general negativity on here or just listening to the dc interview on Thursday, something doesn't feel quite right at the moment surrounding the club. Yeah, I get that. But if you hadn't read any of the anti board stuff how would you feel? Small improvements at the Mem. Paying actual money for players. Development squad improving. Announcement that Colony to progress in the new year. Senior staff recruitment. All of the above are actual things that have happened and are irrefutable. Everything else is conjecture. Even the fence is being paid for now the additional work has been completed. Ok, the Mem deal fell through. Would you want WAQ to sign off on us becoming another Coventry? Even with the charge on the Mem we are no worse off than we were 2 years ago when foreclosure was looking highly likely. Exactly, if I didn't read Gaschat I would be quietly content about off field issues, if a little impatient for news.
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 18, 2017 10:08:03 GMT
All the doomsday theorising seems to overlook one thing. Why would the owners set out to run the club into debt, so that the only way to clear the debt and pay themselves back would be to sell the Mem in a year or so? That means they would walk away with a zero profit. Where's the business or any other sort of sense in that? If they had bought the club with the intention of realising the assets and walking away with a tidy profit they would have shut the club down, sold the Mem and walked away waving 2 fingers. Any other scenario doesn't make sense in my simple world. Perhaps I'm missing something. For what it is worth, this is my reading of the situation which I have just made up. Dwane provide a working capital of £10m with the intention of building a team, new stadium and training facility. The working capital is for the day to day running of the club for perhaps two years whilst the UWE and Colony are built. The money for these two projects will come from investors who will expect a reasonable rate of return. The UWE will need to generate money in order to pay for (1) the future cost of financing the team, (2) the payment of the interest to investors, (3) eventual capital and loan repayment and maybe (4) a profit to Dwane Sports. The expected financial benefits of the UWE will cover this but only if we can get the UWE itself to agree to take a lower figure of match day and crucially, non match day revenue than previously agreed with NH. They refuse so Dwane back out and revert to looking at an alternative. The alternative will naturally take longer to come to fruition as they have to start again, meaning that the initial working capital will not stretch a far (over 3-5 years rather than 2-3 years). So as they are not prepared to "risk" more than the initial £10m they take out the charge for security of further amounts over and above the £10m. The business plan is the same, but short term issues need reevaluating.
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Post by abbeygas on Nov 18, 2017 10:13:07 GMT
With all these threads on the same subject its getting difficult to spot the irony,spoof posts,in the know,rose tinted,underminers, and god knows what else from the earnest opinions. For me at least. If you re-read your post that prompted me to reply whoosh you will see that you accuse Wael of rehashing the same old whilst you yourself were rehashing the same old. If anything I thought yours was a spoof post!
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Post by oldgas on Nov 18, 2017 10:17:55 GMT
All the doomsday theorising seems to overlook one thing. Why would the owners set out to run the club into debt, so that the only way to clear the debt and pay themselves back would be to sell the Mem in a year or so? That means they would walk away with a zero profit. Where's the business or any other sort of sense in that? If they had bought the club with the intention of realising the assets and walking away with a tidy profit they would have shut the club down, sold the Mem and walked away waving 2 fingers. Any other scenario doesn't make sense in my simple world. Perhaps I'm missing something. For what it is worth, this is my reading of the situation which I have just made up. Dwane provide a working capital of £10m with the intention of building a team, new stadium and training facility. The working capital is for the day to day running of the club for perhaps two years whilst the UWE and Colony are built. The money for these two projects will come from investors who will expect a reasonable rate of return. The UWE will need to generate money in order to pay for (1) the future cost of financing the team, (2) the payment of the interest to investors, (3) eventual capital and loan repayment and maybe (4) a profit to Dwane Sports. The expected financial benefits of the UWE will cover this but only if we can get the UWE itself to agree to take a lower figure of match day and crucially, non match day revenue than previously agreed with NH. They refuse so Dwane back out and revert to looking at an alternative. The alternative will naturally take longer to come to fruition as they have to start again, meaning that the initial working capital will not stretch a far (over 3-5 years rather than 2-3 years). So as they are not prepared to "risk" more than the initial £10m they take out the charge for security of further amounts over and above the £10m. The business plan is the same, but short term issues need reevaluating. Thanks. now my f#cking head hurts!
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Post by knowall on Nov 18, 2017 10:40:09 GMT
I really hope so Hugo. As my past posts suggest , i always have and will continue to have confidence in wael and co but I must admit I am starting to have a few doubts. I don't know if that's to do with the general negativity on here or just listening to the dc interview on Thursday, something doesn't feel quite right at the moment surrounding the club. Yeah, I get that. But if you hadn't read any of the anti board stuff how would you feel? Small improvements at the Mem. Paying actual money for players. Development squad improving. Announcement that Colony to progress in the new year. Senior staff recruitment. All of the above are actual things that have happened and are irrefutable. Everything else is conjecture. Even the fence is being paid for now the additional work has been completed. Ok, the Mem deal fell through. Would you want WAQ to sign off on us becoming another Coventry? Even with the charge on the Mem we are no worse off than we were 2 years ago when foreclosure was looking highly likely. Excellent post - which all should reflect on - particularly the reference to Coventry
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Post by cj on Nov 18, 2017 11:01:04 GMT
Some of the comments on this thread about Wael and his so called lack of commitment and communication are rather pathetic. Some of you should take a good look at yourselves.
Wael, if you are reading, thank you for what you have done since you have came to our club. Evolution not revolution has always been stated by yourself and you have explained many times it will be a slow process. Why some cannot grasp this I don't know. Unfortunately you have a few kids on here who wasn't around when we were truly under hard times (unlike now) and a few older ones who should know better who have very short memories. There are also a few who have that nimby mentality who would rather keep us as a ragbag club than see any progression. Then you got the ones who think we have 2 promotions in 3 years and think we have a god given right to keep having immediate success.
I am sure Wael has the majority of support from our fan base. Just a minority with loud voices with their own hidden agenda creating a big cloud of negativity around our club.
Grow up the lot of you. The disrespect being shown to Wael is unbelievable.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2017 11:05:30 GMT
Some of the comments on this thread about Wael and his so called lack of commitment and communication are rather pathetic. Some of you should take a good look at yourselves. Wael, if you are reading, thank you for what you have done since you have came to our club. Evolution not revolution has always been stated by yourself and you have explained many times it will be a slow process. Why some cannot grasp this I don't know. Unfortunately you have a few kids on here who wasn't around when we were truly under hard times (unlike now) and a few older ones who should know better who have very short memories. There are also a few who have that nimby mentality who would rather keep us as a ragbag club than see any progression. Then you got the ones who think we have 2 promotions in 3 years and think we have a god given right to keep having immediate success. I am sure Wael has the majority of support from our fan base. Just a minority with loud voices with their own hidden agenda creating a big cloud of negativity around our club. Grow up the lot of you. The disrespect being shown to Wael is unbelievable. So I'm a big dick ? So what about wael showing us some respect then?
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Post by syg on Nov 18, 2017 11:07:33 GMT
Some of the comments on this thread about Wael and his so called lack of commitment and communication are rather pathetic. Some of you should take a good look at yourselves. Wael, if you are reading, thank you for what you have done since you have came to our club. Evolution not revolution has always been stated by yourself and you have explained many times it will be a slow process. Why some cannot grasp this I don't know. Unfortunately you have a few kids on here who wasn't around when we were truly under hard times (unlike now) and a few older ones who should know better who have very short memories. There are also a few who have that nimby mentality who would rather keep us as a ragbag club than see any progression. Then you got the ones who think we have 2 promotions in 3 years and think we have a god given right to keep having immediate success. I am sure Wael has the majority of support from our fan base. Just a minority with loud voices with their own hidden agenda creating a big cloud of negativity around our club. Grow up the lot of you. Act your age and not your dick size! Spot on. I think social media, forums, the instatanibilty of things are reducing peoples patience levels as well, technology is turning a lot of people into assholes.
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Post by abbeygas on Nov 18, 2017 11:09:44 GMT
I do act my dick size. I am 2" old, 3 when I get a tingle.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2017 11:12:07 GMT
Firstly its an article for a middle eastern audience not a Bristol one. Repeats the same ideas and long term goals as were stated from the start of their ownership. Mentions again it will be a slow process ,ensuring the building blocks are in the foundations first then build upwards. Pointing out how well Man City have done over a nine year period spending fortunes and saying whilst admireable it will not be the same at Rovers but the goals are of similar standards. Suggesting that Wael sees nine years as a short period of time and that their tenure to take the club to the top flight will be much longer.
In short. The Al Qadis are here for the long term future (25 years +) The target is to have better facilities in every aspect of the club. To set up a system where young players from the academy will be the backbone of the squad. Don't expect massive overnight investments its not in the business plan. Patience and hard work with the right investments will bring premier league football eventually.
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Post by cj on Nov 18, 2017 11:14:27 GMT
Some of the comments on this thread about Wael and his so called lack of commitment and communication are rather pathetic. Some of you should take a good look at yourselves. Wael, if you are reading, thank you for what you have done since you have came to our club. Evolution not revolution has always been stated by yourself and you have explained many times it will be a slow process. Why some cannot grasp this I don't know. Unfortunately you have a few kids on here who wasn't around when we were truly under hard times (unlike now) and a few older ones who should know better who have very short memories. There are also a few who have that nimby mentality who would rather keep us as a ragbag club than see any progression. Then you got the ones who think we have 2 promotions in 3 years and think we have a god given right to keep having immediate success. I am sure Wael has the majority of support from our fan base. Just a minority with loud voices with their own hidden agenda creating a big cloud of negativity around our club. Grow up the lot of you. The disrespect being shown to Wael is unbelievable. So I'm a big dick ? So what about wael showing us some respect then? I amended my comment before you made your comment. I changed the ending because I thought it may have been too harsh. As for the respect from Wael question...... That will fit in to the category of not grasping evolution not revolution and it will be a slow process. Do you prefer Wael to make a daily statement saying the same thing? Im sure you will find something to moan about with that. You will say something like "whats the point of making a comment everyday saying the same stuff. Just tell us something when there is something new to say". Wael or whoever is in charge will never win with the likes of you who will always have something to moan about or find faults with.
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Post by cj on Nov 18, 2017 11:17:52 GMT
Firstly its an article for a middle eastern audience not a Bristol one. Repeats the same ideas and long term goals as were stated from the start of their ownership. Mentions again it will be a slow process ,ensuring the building blocks are in the foundations first then build upwards. Pointing out how well Man City have done over a nine year period spending fortunes and saying whilst admireable it will not be the same at Rovers but the goals are of similar standards. Suggesting that Wael sees nine years as a short period of time and that their tenure to take the club to the top flight will be much longer. In short. The Al Qadis are here for the long term future (25 years +) The target is to have better facilities in every aspect of the club. To set up a system where young players from the academy will be the backbone of the squad. Don't expect massive overnight investments its not in the business plan. Patience and hard work with the right investments will bring premier league football eventually. Brilliant post. I am sure a few will pick holes with it and moan about something with their selective reading! But that was a brilliant comment!
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Post by Nortongashead on Nov 18, 2017 11:19:44 GMT
Some of the comments on this thread about Wael and his so called lack of commitment and communication are rather pathetic. Some of you should take a good look at yourselves. Wael, if you are reading, thank you for what you have done since you have came to our club. Evolution not revolution has always been stated by yourself and you have explained many times it will be a slow process. Why some cannot grasp this I don't know. Unfortunately you have a few kids on here who wasn't around when we were truly under hard times (unlike now) and a few older ones who should know better who have very short memories. There are also a few who have that nimby mentality who would rather keep us as a ragbag club than see any progression. Then you got the ones who think we have 2 promotions in 3 years and think we have a god given right to keep having immediate success. I am sure Wael has the majority of support from our fan base. Just a minority with loud voices with their own hidden agenda creating a big cloud of negativity around our club. Grow up the lot of you. The disrespect being shown to Wael is unbelievable. We deserve to be updated. Many of our fanbase have waited an unbelievable amount of time for something worth having. My father in law is 74 a life long gashead through thick and thin. He doesn't read forums or social media just the news papers and matchday programme to obtain his point of view on rovers. He is beside himself with the lack of info after being fed some much hope. Wael and co aren't commanding respect at the moment. Why cant they just come out and say it how it is, then we are all on the same page.
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