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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2017 11:25:47 GMT
So I'm a big dick ? So what about wael showing us some respect then? I amended my comment before you made your comment. I changed the ending because I thought it may have been too harsh. As for the respect from Wael question...... That will fit in to the category of not grasping evolution not revolution and it will be a slow process. Do you prefer Wael to make a daily statement saying the same thing? Im sure you will find something to moan about with that. You will say something like "whats the point of making a comment everyday saying the same stuff. Just tell us something when there is something new to say". Wael or whoever is in charge will never win with the likes of you who will always have something to moan about or find faults with. He could just say something at least Higgs did.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Nov 18, 2017 11:27:12 GMT
Some of the comments on this thread about Wael and his so called lack of commitment and communication are rather pathetic. Some of you should take a good look at yourselves. Wael, if you are reading, thank you for what you have done since you have came to our club. Evolution not revolution has always been stated by yourself and you have explained many times it will be a slow process. Why some cannot grasp this I don't know. Unfortunately you have a few kids on here who wasn't around when we were truly under hard times (unlike now) and a few older ones who should know better who have very short memories. There are also a few who have that nimby mentality who would rather keep us as a ragbag club than see any progression. Then you got the ones who think we have 2 promotions in 3 years and think we have a god given right to keep having immediate success. I am sure Wael has the majority of support from our fan base. Just a minority with loud voices with their own hidden agenda creating a big cloud of negativity around our club. Grow up the lot of you. The disrespect being shown to Wael is unbelievable. We deserve to be updated. Many of our fanbase have waited an unbelievable amount of time for something worth having. My father in law is 74 a life long gashead through thick and thin. He doesn't read forums or social media just the news papers and matchday programme to obtain his point of view on rovers. He is beside himself with the lack of info after being fed some much hope. Wael and co aren't commanding respect at the moment. Why cant they just come out and say it how it is, then we are all on the same page. But as cj stated in his other comment, there is probably slow progress being made and nothing much to report on. If he came out on a weekly basis and just kept saying the same thing, then some people would still not be content.
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Post by Nortongashead on Nov 18, 2017 11:31:56 GMT
We deserve to be updated. Many of our fanbase have waited an unbelievable amount of time for something worth having. My father in law is 74 a life long gashead through thick and thin. He doesn't read forums or social media just the news papers and matchday programme to obtain his point of view on rovers. He is beside himself with the lack of info after being fed some much hope. Wael and co aren't commanding respect at the moment. Why cant they just come out and say it how it is, then we are all on the same page. But as cj stated in his other comment, there is probably slow progress being made and nothing much to report on. If he came out on a weekly basis and just kept saying the same thing, then some people would still not be content. Then tell us that, the silence is deafening.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2017 11:36:29 GMT
We deserve to be updated. Many of our fanbase have waited an unbelievable amount of time for something worth having. My father in law is 74 a life long gashead through thick and thin. He doesn't read forums or social media just the news papers and matchday programme to obtain his point of view on rovers. He is beside himself with the lack of info after being fed some much hope. Wael and co aren't commanding respect at the moment. Why cant they just come out and say it how it is, then we are all on the same page. But as cj stated in his other comment, there is probably slow progress being made and nothing much to report on. If he came out on a weekly basis and just kept saying the same thing, then some people would still not be content. I agree with nortongashead,these people got no respect for us fans but only for the money they got and can make. we don't want a weekly report just a update now and then.
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Post by matealotblue on Nov 18, 2017 11:36:49 GMT
But as cj stated in his other comment, there is probably slow progress being made and nothing much to report on. If he came out on a weekly basis and just kept saying the same thing, then some people would still not be content. Then tell us that, the silence is deafening. Hear what you say and have said similar myself. Thing is though, as has been pointed out on various threads/posts here before, there are some who wouldn’t believe him/them if they said we were playing AFC Wimbledon today at 3pm at The Mem.
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Post by cj on Nov 18, 2017 11:38:29 GMT
But as cj stated in his other comment, there is probably slow progress being made and nothing much to report on. If he came out on a weekly basis and just kept saying the same thing, then some people would still not be content. Then tell us that, the silence is deafening. He has. Its in the article on this thread. He said the same thing a few weeks ago in the Bristol Post too, which your father probably read if thats where he gets his info from based on your previous comment. Evolution not revolution has been Wael's motto since he joined us. Understanding what that actually means has been missed by a fair few people. So he has stated numerous times that it will be a slow process. If Wael came out today and said "everything is going slow at the moment and there is nothing new since the last statement" I guarantee that he will be slated for it.
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Post by cj on Nov 18, 2017 11:40:44 GMT
I amended my comment before you made your comment. I changed the ending because I thought it may have been too harsh. As for the respect from Wael question...... That will fit in to the category of not grasping evolution not revolution and it will be a slow process. Do you prefer Wael to make a daily statement saying the same thing? Im sure you will find something to moan about with that. You will say something like "whats the point of making a comment everyday saying the same stuff. Just tell us something when there is something new to say". Wael or whoever is in charge will never win with the likes of you who will always have something to moan about or find faults with. He could just say something at least Higgs did. And got slated and abused for doing so. Every 2 weeks came a chairman's report which brought countless of negative threads and comments on several forums about what Higgs said was either pointless or brought more questions than answers.
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Post by cj on Nov 18, 2017 11:42:26 GMT
But as cj stated in his other comment, there is probably slow progress being made and nothing much to report on. If he came out on a weekly basis and just kept saying the same thing, then some people would still not be content. I agree with nortongashead,these people got no respect for us fans but only for the money they got and can make. we don't want a weekly report just a update now and then. And thats what he has been doing, now and then. But your definition of now and then is more now and less then.
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Post by socrates on Nov 18, 2017 11:50:02 GMT
Why bother interviewing wael though? Maybe get an about BRFC interview from hani? That would be much more interesting surely? I wonder at times if wael is just a dreamer. There lies the problem I think maybe , Wael wants to do everything’s he’s said but perhaps Hani hasn’t got the Rovers bug like Wael has yet , maybe he never will or perhaps he’ll go to a game see a great comeback or performance and think yes we can do this. I think Wael is a genuine bloke I don’t think he’s fake but I do think he’s pushing one way and his family are perhaps pulling him back a bit. After all it’s family money not all Waels.
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Post by Thatslife on Nov 18, 2017 12:12:14 GMT
Consider this. Maybe Wael is under some sort of gag order, although I cant see why he would be. If so then he couldnt have an interview published in the UK press where as, any gag order may not be enforceable in Jordan.
Just a thought....reading it back its probably a stupid one
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Post by daniel300380 on Nov 18, 2017 12:13:57 GMT
But as cj stated in his other comment, there is probably slow progress being made and nothing much to report on. If he came out on a weekly basis and just kept saying the same thing, then some people would still not be content. Then tell us that, the silence is deafening. They did. They said hopefully the Colony will start in February. It's not February yet, so if nothing has changed, we want an update to say we are still hoping to start in February??? Seems a bit pointless to me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2017 12:35:07 GMT
All the doomsday theorising seems to overlook one thing. Why would the owners set out to run the club into debt, so that the only way to clear the debt and pay themselves back would be to sell the Mem in a year or so? That means they would walk away with a zero profit. Where's the business or any other sort of sense in that? If they had bought the club with the intention of realising the assets and walking away with a tidy profit they would have shut the club down, sold the Mem and walked away waving 2 fingers. Any other scenario doesn't make sense in my simple world. Perhaps I'm missing something. For what it is worth, this is my reading of the situation which I have just made up. Dwane provide a working capital of £10m with the intention of building a team, new stadium and training facility. The working capital is for the day to day running of the club for perhaps two years whilst the UWE and Colony are built. The money for these two projects will come from investors who will expect a reasonable rate of return. The UWE will need to generate money in order to pay for (1) the future cost of financing the team, (2) the payment of the interest to investors, (3) eventual capital and loan repayment and maybe (4) a profit to Dwane Sports. The expected financial benefits of the UWE will cover this but only if we can get the UWE itself to agree to take a lower figure of match day and crucially, non match day revenue than previously agreed with NH. They refuse so Dwane back out and revert to looking at an alternative. The alternative will naturally take longer to come to fruition as they have to start again, meaning that the initial working capital will not stretch a far (over 3-5 years rather than 2-3 years). So as they are not prepared to "risk" more than the initial £10m they take out the charge for security of further amounts over and above the £10m. The business plan is the same, but short term issues need reevaluating. That seems a plausible hypotheseis to me and if you are right then just have to hope the numbers work on the Mem redevelopment and face a few years of austerity.
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Post by bluestone on Nov 18, 2017 12:39:49 GMT
Firstly its an article for a middle eastern audience not a Bristol one. Repeats the same ideas and long term goals as were stated from the start of their ownership. Mentions again it will be a slow process ,ensuring the building blocks are in the foundations first then build upwards. Pointing out how well Man City have done over a nine year period spending fortunes and saying whilst admireable it will not be the same at Rovers but the goals are of similar standards. Suggesting that Wael sees nine years as a short period of time and that their tenure to take the club to the top flight will be much longer. In short. The Al Qadis are here for the long term future (25 years +) The target is to have better facilities in every aspect of the club. To set up a system where young players from the academy will be the backbone of the squad. Don't expect massive overnight investments its not in the business plan. Patience and hard work with the right investments will bring premier league football eventually. Well put and that's exactly how I see it. In the meantime I'm going to sit back, relax and enjoy supporting the Gas!
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Post by ilysagas on Nov 18, 2017 13:06:05 GMT
I hardly ever post but the poster cj deserves a pat on the back. Spot on posts today
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Post by bradfordmeyerbiggs on Nov 18, 2017 13:06:09 GMT
Batten down the hatches folks. It's going to be a long ride. It looks very much like there will a few promotions and relegations to come before the evolution is complete, so I guess we just have to accept it? I don't. The successive promotions haven't helped. Promotion to League 1 has brought with it greater expectations and unfortunately this isn't going to derail the slow plans. Maybe that is why Darrell is frustrated? Ultimately this is only going to impact his ability to keep moving in the right direction, and as soon as Rovers go on a bad run fans start questioning his ability. If there are injuries to key players and there is no money in the pot to get in quality replacements the what can Darrell possibly do? Turn water into wine? Get a grip!
Can the owners just tell us the timescale of evolution before Rovers are realistically in a position to challenge for Premiership football?
At least over at the sh** they were given timescales for ground completion and it happened as planned. We expect the same with our owners and whilst rumours fly around about loans against the ground, losing money hand over fist, Hani only keeping investing until March 2018 etc how can the club possibly be evolving if it is haemorrhaging money? Surely anyone with any business sense whatsoever would look first at preventing massive losses is a priority? The silence is deafening and things don't stack up. If anyone isn't seriously questioning what is going on right now isn't just deluded but they are away with fairies in a different galaxy and there are a queue of smug Teds lined up waiting to laugh at you. Are Rovers losing money Yes / No? Are these losses sustainable Yes / No? If No, then exactly how long until evolution will enable the club to get on an even footing? How then if there is no money available to the manager are you are prepared to sustain losses for years? That just doesn't stack up Hani and Co, it doesn't stack up at all!
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 18, 2017 13:10:35 GMT
At least over at the sh** they were given timescales for ground completion and it happened as planned. We expect the same with our owners and whilst rumours fly around about loans against the ground, losing money hand over fist, Hani only keeping investing until March 2018 etc how can you possibly be evolving if you are haemorrhaging money? Surely anyone with any business sense whatsoever would look first at preventing massive losses is a priority? The silence is deafening and things don't stack up. If anyone isn't seriously questioning what is going on right now isn't just deluded but they are away with fairies in a different galaxy and there are a queue of smug Teds lined up waiting to laugh at you. Are Rovers losing money Yes / No? Are these losses sustainable Yes / No? If No, then exactly how long until evolution will enable the club to get on an even footing? How then if there is no money available to the manager are you are prepared to sustain losses for years? That just doesn't stack up Hani and Co, it doesn't stack up at all! Not sure how this makes any sense. City have lost 70 million (not including stadium spending) since Lansdown came in. We have lost c. nearly 2 million since Dwane came in.
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Post by bradfordmeyerbiggs on Nov 18, 2017 13:12:14 GMT
Because the sh** haven't been told there is no money to spend.
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Nov 18, 2017 13:13:56 GMT
we will all be dead before Rovers get into the Prem - Dead I tells ya
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 18, 2017 13:17:22 GMT
Because the sh** haven't been told there is no money to spend. Not sure what you're talking about. Have we been told there is no money to spend?
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Post by bradfordmeyerbiggs on Nov 18, 2017 13:19:30 GMT
we will all be dead before Rovers get into the Prem - Dead I tells ya Ain't that the truth! If the unthinkable happens and the sh** make it to the Premiership (where they will get hammered and go straight back down)? Can anyone envisage this fan base accepting long term evolution plans whilst playing in a run down dump, losing money and no money available for players whilst the owners swallow massive losses year on year?
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