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Post by Marshy on Nov 19, 2017 9:22:46 GMT
Just back-240 mile round Journey.Could have been 6-1.Really really poor.Their passing was so much better than ours.Lockyer ,Nicholls and O Clarke didn't contribute.Thanks Leads and Ellis for giving it your all. On the positive side met MARSHFIELD Gas for a beer but this side -sorry Rose Tinters-has relegation stamped all over it.Out of all three Cups and now all we have left is to avoid relegation.None of the loanees ever starts so why not send them back? Feeling deflated but hey we have the new stadium and training ground to look forward to.Dons fans in the Wellie very friendly.Minutes silence well observed although some players must have thought it was a 90 minute silence. I can’t argue with any of that we were appalling! Best thing about yesterday was meeting Staff and 2 of his friends what an absolute gentleman it was a pleasure. As for the game no comment, the worst Ive see seen since our 1 - 4 drubbing by Newport a couple of years ago.
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Post by devonblue on Nov 19, 2017 9:28:09 GMT
Very disappointing game. Individually on a team sheet it looks a good team but there appears little cohesion between them. It needs a leader on the field to pull things together. Leadbiter was a class above - I assume he got man of the match?
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 19, 2017 10:00:27 GMT
Let's admit it, a lot of the dark cloud over the club is down to rumours started on this forum. No it's not. This forum consists of, at the most 50 active members. From reading this, most, for one reason or another, don't even attend games! Its nothing more than a gossip shop for a few people, it has NO affect on the club, owners, BOD , players or manager. Stop over estimating your importance. of course it does - you are massively underestimating the power of social media. The club has been forced to address social media matters with statements and the like and I know for a fact that players do read it. Even the old official forum was closed as a result of rumours/accusations. Don’t look so much at the active users even though it’s way over 50, and look at the individual views per day. To believe that it is not read by a wider audience seems ludicrous to me. Users Online in the Last 24 Hours 13 Staff, 256 Members, 3,844 Guests.
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Post by Marshy on Nov 19, 2017 10:24:15 GMT
We were utter dross from start to finish. That's down to one person. The last game I watched (Swindon) we were equally as bad. DC has been Sussed out, he's no longer the surprise package, and he isn't clever enough to know how to change things. A good Conference/league 2 man, but struggling when up against better coaches. I wonder what Simon Grayson's doing? Grayson probably doing what he does best propping up a bar somewhere. Grayson? No thanks, shut that door! It’s ludicrous to want DC out, let’s cut the man some slack and get behind the boys.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Nov 19, 2017 10:32:16 GMT
So you think the negative atmosphere around the club is only due to what's going on on the pitch and has nothing to do with all the rumours flying around? I simply dont believe 1 or 2 posters on a forum make pro footballers play badly. Blackpool put up with all sorts of stuff against the oystens but got promotion last season I dont think the negativity dc/mc were relating to was anything to do with the stuff on forums,i think its deeper than that but its just an opinion. Neither do I and I haven't said that. You can't deny that there atmosphere and splits amongst the fanbase are purely down to our recent form.
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Nov 19, 2017 10:35:52 GMT
Let's admit it, a lot of the dark cloud over the club is down to rumours started on this forum. No it's not. This forum consists of, at the most 50 active members. From reading this, most, for one reason or another, don't even attend games! Its nothing more than a gossip shop for a few people, it has NO affect on the club, owners, BOD , players or manager. Stop over estimating your importance. Overestimating my importantance? For a start that doesn't even begin to make sense as I've never policed anything of that kind on here. secondly, rumours started on here have found their way onto other social media and can now be heard on the terraces at The Mem. You are highly delusional to believe that rumours don't turn into common knowledge before filtering down throughout the club.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Nov 19, 2017 10:36:01 GMT
Let's admit it, a lot of the dark cloud over the club is down to rumours started on this forum. No it's not. This forum consists of, at the most 50 active members. From reading this, most, for one reason or another, don't even attend games! Its nothing more than a gossip shop for a few people, it has NO affect on the club, owners, BOD , players or manager. Stop over estimating your importance. These rumours always end up on the two FB pages and then some morons start tagging Wael in them. There are way more active users on there than here.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 10:38:20 GMT
Very disappointing game. Individually on a team sheet it looks a good team but there appears little cohesion between them. It needs a leader on the field to pull things together. Leadbiter was a class above - I assume he got man of the match? If DL was a class above that shows how bad we played individually
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Post by rememberhalifax on Nov 19, 2017 11:30:20 GMT
A few observations on yesterdays game.It is interesting to note that a lot of the early posts on this thread are full of anticipation and optimism about the outcome and yet when getting to the ground ,queuing for pasties and quietly reading program, you could sense the feeling of foreboding that was clearly in a lot of supporters minds.There was without doubt a feeling that yes,we should win , but ! and the but is the big problem.Remember going to games over the last couple of years you were expecting good things to happen, and they invariably did, any setback was quickly forgotten and of we went on another 8 or nine unbeaten run, but now, well supporters are going to games, holding there breadth waiting for the first bad mistake , usually from the back four, the crowd react to that mistake , everyone,fans, players get edgy and so the mistakes multiply and so it goes on. we are in that vicious circle at the moment , and in fairness to the fans ,it has not manifested in excessive barracking , just quiet acceptance of the situation we find ourselves in. I do not pretend to know the answers but do know that abuse or punishment does no one any favors.If you have children or have been in a position of being any kind of leader, you will know that if your charge is having a hard time overcoming a particular hurdle all you can do is encourage them, not to worry if they get it wrong, you may have to take them out of the firing line for a while ,give them extra tuition, until the penny drops ,or not.You must always remember that every one has a limit and will reach the summit of their ability, and it is the job of those at the helm to realize when someone has done there very best and has reached the height of there ability, and not to expose them to situations they are not able to deal with.What does this mean to our team? well i believe we have a few very loyal and good servants to our club who are now out of there depth and would be happier in a slightly lower standard of football,and to continue to expose them to situations they can.t handle is doing them or the team no favors.They say animals can sense fear in a competitor and i believe other teams can sense the fear in our play and are ruthlessly taking advantage, by going for the kill early,aka yesterday.We could easily have been 4 or five down at halftime, and nothing sums up our situation more than the goal keeper ,who made one or two outstanding saves to keep us in it then dropped an absolute howler! So there we are, we are playing and watching with fear, it is up to us supporters to encourage, cheer the player who tracks back and has a go,encourage he who shoots high and wide to have another go without fear of derision, and it is up to the coaches and staff to realize when some one has reached the very height of there ability and would be happier in an environment more in keeping with that ability,what does that mean, well you can figure it out yourselves!
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Post by rememberhalifax on Nov 19, 2017 11:31:56 GMT
On a lighter note, would Ellis make a brilliant center half aka Rio Ferdinand?
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Post by pirate on Nov 19, 2017 11:34:03 GMT
On a lighter note, would Ellis make a brilliant center half aka Rio Ferdinand? He's probably been our best defender already this season!
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 19, 2017 11:38:11 GMT
A few observations on yesterdays game.It is interesting to note that a lot of the early posts on this thread are full of anticipation and optimism about the outcome and yet when getting to the ground ,queuing for pasties and quietly reading program, you could sense the feeling of foreboding that was clearly in a lot of supporters minds.There was without doubt a feeling that yes,we should win , but ! and the but is the big problem.Remember going to games over the last couple of years you were expecting good things to happen, and they invariably did, any setback was quickly forgotten and of we went on another 8 or nine unbeaten run, but now, well supporters are going to games, holding there breadth waiting for the first bad mistake , usually from the back four, the crowd react to that mistake , everyone,fans, players get edgy and so the mistakes multiply and so it goes on. we are in that vicious circle at the moment , and in fairness to the fans ,it has not manifested in excessive barracking , just quiet acceptance of the situation we find ourselves in. I do not pretend to know the answers but do know that abuse or punishment does no one any favors.If you have children or have been in a position of being any kind of leader, you will know that if your charge is having a hard time overcoming a particular hurdle all you can do is encourage them, not to worry if they get it wrong, you may have to take them out of the firing line for a while ,give them extra tuition, until the penny drops ,or not.You must always remember that every one has a limit and will reach the summit of their ability, and it is the job of those at the helm to realize when someone has done there very best and has reached the height of there ability, and not to expose them to situations they are not able to deal with.What does this mean to our team? well i believe we have a few very loyal and good servants to our club who are now out of there depth and would be happier in a slightly lower standard of football,and to continue to expose them to situations they can.t handle is doing them or the team no favors.They say animals can sense fear in a competitor and i believe other teams can sense the fear in our play and are ruthlessly taking advantage, by going for the kill early,aka yesterday.We could easily have been 4 or five down at halftime, and nothing sums up our situation more than the goal keeper ,who made one or two outstanding saves to keep us in it then dropped an absolute howler! So there we are, we are playing and watching with fear, it is up to us supporters to encourage, cheer the player who tracks back and has a go,encourage he who shoots high and wide to have another go without fear of derision, and it is up to the coaches and staff to realize when some one has reached the very height of there ability and would be happier in an environment more in keeping with that ability,what does that mean, well you can figure it out yourselves! Yeah. I think Nichols has been a good example of this. At the start of the season he was trying things, taking an extra touch, trying to be creative, looking for a pass, looking to get past his man. It didn't come off very often, and he was unlucky a few times, but he was confident and looking up. The last few games though, he has just been trying not to make a mistake. He's turned away from goal and passed to a midfielder, no mistake, nothing wrong, job done, apparently, but nothing achieved, either. When he is committed to a cross or shot, he does everything exactly how you should, but it's been bare minimum, head down, one touch, hit the ball. Almost every time it's been blocked by the first defender, but Nichols has done his job (as in bare minimum with no mistake). It's that sort of fear that has gone throughout the team.
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Post by pirate on Nov 19, 2017 11:43:32 GMT
I'm reminded of DC's comments earlier in the season: “What concerned me were one or two fluffy players, I call them fluffy because they looked mentally weak and a little bit mentally shot."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 12:08:08 GMT
Very disappointing game. Individually on a team sheet it looks a good team but there appears little cohesion between them. It needs a leader on the field to pull things together. Leadbiter was a class above - I assume he got man of the match? I think that Ellis got MOTM.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 19, 2017 13:58:53 GMT
You do know Fence is a Ted ? Im not a ted you sh**
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Post by Colyton Gas on Nov 20, 2017 14:38:22 GMT
Army preparing for Sat.Best team we saw.
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Post by oldgas on Nov 20, 2017 21:46:31 GMT
We were utter dross from start to finish. That's down to one person. The last game I watched (Swindon) we were equally as bad. DC has been Sussed out, he's no longer the surprise package, and he isn't clever enough to know how to change things. A good Conference/league 2 man, but struggling when up against better coaches. I wonder what Simon Grayson's doing? So did dc say to his centre-halves "make sure you let taylor make you look stupid today lads" did he say "linesy mate can you make sure every pass is floated in the air to make sure our opponents can win it" Did he say to ollie clarke "make sure you hardly touch the ball or tackle anyone today ollie" I think more than one person were involved in todays debacle myself. I shouldn't think so, no. However, he is the man who takes the training sessions every day, and therefore the person who sets the team up and gives them their game plan instructions. I would have thought that, having managed the team against Wimbledon 4 times over the past 2 seasons he would have been aware of how they play, and also Taylor's propensity for bullying centre backs. He also had the inside knowledge of Sweeney to call on. DC is quick enough to claim the credit when things are going well, and has to stand up when things aren't going so well. This he is doing. your post is simplistic in the extreme. In the same vein I don't suppose he gave Ollie those instructions. He knows how he has been playing lately, and should be in a position to replace him. As a result of not doing enough of the right business in the summer he isn't able to replace him in the team. That's down to one person only, the same person who spunked £350k on Nicholls. He also had Sercombe and Sinclair on the wings. He got rid of Montano and kept the useless Moore, and didn't sign any wingers, that's down to one person. I don't get the point of your post, except sarcasm for sarcasms sake.
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Post by oldgas on Nov 20, 2017 21:51:07 GMT
We were utter dross from start to finish. That's down to one person. The last game I watched (Swindon) we were equally as bad. DC has been Sussed out, he's no longer the surprise package, and he isn't clever enough to know how to change things. A good Conference/league 2 man, but struggling when up against better coaches. I wonder what Simon Grayson's doing? What a stupid post ! If dc struggles against better coaches and has been sussed out , explain last season ? Yes we're struggling at present but posts like this are very ott. Dc has shown us loyalty in the past when opting to stay with us when Leeds came in for him did he not ? Why are you unable to show dc the same courtesy? Very short memories on here ....... The point being that last season DC was an unknown quantity. This season opposing managers know what he's about, how were likely to,play react to given siruations etc etc. I have been one of DC's strongest supporters, but 8 defeats in 9 games, two of them 4-2 beatings by league 2 teams tell their own stories. Whats so stupid in that?
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Post by Okebournegas on Nov 20, 2017 22:13:42 GMT
Quite a few reasons why I think it's stupid. 1) you ask what Simon Grayson is up to 2) you say dc has been sussed out 3) you say dc isn't clever enough to sort it.
Hugely disrespectful to the man who pretty much single handily brought the club back from oblivion. I stick to what I said , fans are well within their rights to question dc's decisions on set up / formation and selection but to suggest some of the things you have put is well wide of the mark , I mean Simon Grayson for Christ sake , really ?
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Post by oldgas on Nov 20, 2017 22:14:29 GMT
No it's not. This forum consists of, at the most 50 active members. From reading this, most, for one reason or another, don't even attend games! Its nothing more than a gossip shop for a few people, it has NO affect on the club, owners, BOD , players or manager. Stop over estimating your importance. These rumours always end up on the two FB pages and then some morons start tagging Wael in them. There are way more active users on there than here. And who, in any position of power or authority at the club, give a flying f uck what is written on Facebook? Having had a read of it, it's even more preposterous than this forum.
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