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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 23, 2017 13:08:17 GMT
If it was such a good deal for the club/family, why did we pull out of it ? Ok then. If it was such a bad deal for the club / owners why did we / previous owners try to go ahead with it? Why did they sign a deal with Sainsbury's that was as watertight as a colander? Why did they employ Buckle and Magoo? Why did they take out a wonga loan? Why did they preside over relegation to the conference? Your argument that the current owners are bad seems to rely on the previous ones being infallible.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Nov 23, 2017 13:22:25 GMT
Ok then. If it was such a bad deal for the club / owners why did we / previous owners try to go ahead with it? Why did they sign a deal with Sainsbury's that was as watertight as a colander? Why did they employ Buckle and Magoo? Why did they take out a wonga loan? Why did they preside over relegation to the conference? Your argument that the current owners are bad seems to rely on the previous ones being infallible. No Antonio I’m just making the point that owners don’t always act in the best interests of the football club. they own. It’s only as we look back on their tenure and as the truth came out that we could see how owners don’t always act in the best interests of the FC although at the time there were many who believed they were! My problem with the current owners is that I don’t accept at face value the reasons they say they pulled out of UWE and their inaction and lack of public communication since is not challenging that view. For the record I thought they were fantastic when they first came in, cooled a bit as UWE dragged on and on and have only been asking questions of them since August 3rd. I hope that answers your question too Baggins.
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Post by tommym9 on Nov 23, 2017 13:24:42 GMT
Well They took out a payday loan and gambled with the club because they were so desperate for their project to come off at all costs. Have the current owners done something even remotely as bad as that? And what have the owners managed to achieve since August 3rd apart from stitch the manager up - answers on a postage stamp. Lets go from the top: - Sorted the wonga loan - DC 5 year deal - Training ground land bought - Pulled us out of a bad deal with UWE - Gave DC serious funds in the summer - Various improvements to the mem - Froze season ticket prices They are currently working on the mem redevelopment plan and pushing the training ground planning permission through. How do you think the board have stitched DC up? It sounds like we missed out on targets in the summer, but was that all down to the board?
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Post by peterparker on Nov 23, 2017 13:24:59 GMT
As I’ve alluded already supporting the Football Club and supporting the owners of it are two totally different things. I don’t get why you and others don’t get that. Wow! As supporters we should always be holding our owners to account. That was the “original” idea behind the supporters club getting places on the board and it was a concept no one had a problem with for Higgs and Co. So why is it a problem with the ALQs? you would have the point if the SC actually ever stood up and argued against the club.
When have they ever done that, that we know of?
Now we even have the SC saying, we know of something Major, but we can't tell you what it is? I guess that is fan representation in action
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2017 13:27:23 GMT
And what have the owners managed to achieve since August 3rd apart from stitch the manager up - answers on a postage stamp. Comments like yours are exactly the reason why so many people are being driven from this forum. I've responded to a post trying to imply that the new board only have self interest at heart when our previous owner was doing just that and you respond with a nothing post that just board bashes. It was a genuine question which you haven't answered. If I'm one of the causes that you allude to as being a reason for so many leaving the forum and which some posters appear to agree with, I'll make it a bit easier for you - I'll do the honourable thing and leave now.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Nov 23, 2017 13:29:00 GMT
As I’ve alluded already supporting the Football Club and supporting the owners of it are two totally different things. I don’t get why you and others don’t get that. Wow! As supporters we should always be holding our owners to account. That was the “original” idea behind the supporters club getting places on the board and it was a concept no one had a problem with for Higgs and Co. So why is it a problem with the ALQs? you would have the point if the SC actually ever stood up and argued against the club.
When have they ever done that, that we know of?
Jeez this is hard. That’s why “original” is in quotes. It was the IDEA behind it. Anyway because they didn’t challenge the board publicly doesn’t mean it didn’t happen but I hope you realise that wasn’t my point in any case.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Nov 23, 2017 13:31:59 GMT
Comments like yours are exactly the reason why so many people are being driven from this forum. I've responded to a post trying to imply that the new board only have self interest at heart when our previous owner was doing just that and you respond with a nothing post that just board bashes. It was a genuine question which you haven't answered. If I'm one of the causes that you allude to as being a reason for so many leaving the forum and which some posters appear to agree with, I'll make it a bit easier for you - I'll do the honourable thing and leave now. Thanks a lot mate. Just leave me with all the sycophants!
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Post by baggins on Nov 23, 2017 13:34:08 GMT
Why did they sign a deal with Sainsbury's that was as watertight as a colander? Why did they employ Buckle and Magoo? Why did they take out a wonga loan? Why did they preside over relegation to the conference? Your argument that the current owners are bad seems to rely on the previous ones being infallible. No Antonio I’m just making the point that owners don’t always act in the best interests of the football club. they own. It’s only as we look back on their tenure and as the truth came out that we could see how owners don’t always act in the best interests of the FC although at the time there were many who believed they were! My problem with the current owners is that I don’t accept at face value the reasons they say they pulled out of UWE and their inaction and lack of public communication since is not challenging that view. For the record I thought they were fantastic when they first came in, cooled a bit as UWE dragged on and on and have only been asking questions of them since August 3rd. I hope that answers your question too Baggins. But they've not actually done anything wrong. UWE fell through, believe what ever reason you want on that one but one would hope it was because the deal wasn't right for us. If we went ahead with it and found our 6 months down the line all our gate receipts, bar receipts, parking revenue etc went straight to UWE, along with ground rent, this forum would be in meltdown. And rightly so. They're now trying to improve what we've got and at the same time trying to put together all the things they promised with the training ground etc. I just don't get the small gang of posters trying to infiltrate the forum with extreme anti board views.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 23, 2017 13:35:25 GMT
Why did they sign a deal with Sainsbury's that was as watertight as a colander? Why did they employ Buckle and Magoo? Why did they take out a wonga loan? Why did they preside over relegation to the conference? Your argument that the current owners are bad seems to rely on the previous ones being infallible. No Antonio I’m just making the point that owners don’t always act in the best interests of the football club. they own. It’s only as we look back on their tenure and as the truth came out that we could see how owners don’t always act in the best interests of the FC although at the time there were many who believed they were! My problem with the current owners is that I don’t accept at face value the reasons they say they pulled out of UWE and their inaction and lack of public communication since is not challenging that view. For the record I thought they were fantastic when they first came in, cooled a bit as UWE dragged on and on and have only been asking questions of them since August 3rd. I hope that answers your question too Baggins. Well, for what it's worth, I have my own doubts. But I don't really have any evidence either way. I also don't see the point of airing them here. Istm the board is part of the club, and supporting the club means you back all the various bits of it you can, until given decent evidence why you shouldn't. I'm not gonna turn on the board on the hearsay of a few vague posts, any more than I'm gonna turn on Brown on the hearsay of someone who saw him play some matches I didn't. What I feel like I'm doing is challenging those who are sure things are F-ed up to provide evidence or good reasoning. And I genuinely feel they haven't done that. Until they do I will side with all the bits of the club I can.
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Post by tommym9 on Nov 23, 2017 13:37:10 GMT
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Post by madgas on Nov 23, 2017 13:39:33 GMT
Comments like yours are exactly the reason why so many people are being driven from this forum. I've responded to a post trying to imply that the new board only have self interest at heart when our previous owner was doing just that and you respond with a nothing post that just board bashes. It was a genuine question which you haven't answered. If I'm one of the causes that you allude to as being a reason for so many leaving the forum and which some posters appear to agree with, I'll make it a bit easier for you - I'll do the honourable thing and leave now. Newblue with respect, your post is very dismissive. Do you truely reject all the things as listed by ‘peterparker’ It’s reasonable to question the board but could dismissing everything does weaken your argument. I’m pro the board, I think they have done lots of things well. However, there are mixed signals- landing light comments, then the project does go ahead. Training ground and apparent lack of work.? There are questions that can be asked. But dismissing everything comes across is cheeky.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 23, 2017 13:39:48 GMT
Comments like yours are exactly the reason why so many people are being driven from this forum. I've responded to a post trying to imply that the new board only have self interest at heart when our previous owner was doing just that and you respond with a nothing post that just board bashes. It was a genuine question which you haven't answered. If I'm one of the causes that you allude to as being a reason for so many leaving the forum and which some posters appear to agree with, I'll make it a bit easier for you - I'll do the honourable thing and leave now. Let's be clear. People who have their doubts about the board are just as welcome here as those who don't. The whole point of a football forum is to discuss all aspects of the club (within reason). If someone is annoying you, then that's too bad, really. It's no different to the bloke behind you shouting nonsense (except here you get a better chance at a more reasonable discussion with them). It's just one of those things. We really shouldn't be losing posters coz of stuff like that.
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Post by baggins on Nov 23, 2017 13:48:12 GMT
It was a genuine question which you haven't answered. If I'm one of the causes that you allude to as being a reason for so many leaving the forum and which some posters appear to agree with, I'll make it a bit easier for you - I'll do the honourable thing and leave now. Let's be clear. People who have their doubts about the board are just as welcome here as those who don't. The whole point of a football forum is to discuss all aspects of the club (within reason). If someone is annoying you, then that's too bad, really. It's no different to the bloke behind you shouting nonsense (except here you get a better chance at a more reasonable discussion with them). It's just one of those things. We really shouldn't be losing posters coz of stuff like that. I'm still here. Power to the people!
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Post by Marshy on Nov 23, 2017 13:51:48 GMT
Let's be clear. People who have their doubts about the board are just as welcome here as those who don't. The whole point of a football forum is to discuss all aspects of the club (within reason). If someone is annoying you, then that's too bad, really. It's no different to the bloke behind you shouting nonsense (except here you get a better chance at a more reasonable discussion with them). It's just one of those things. We really shouldn't be losing posters coz of stuff like that. I'm still here. Power to the people! I’m just sitting back and enjoying the banter lol! It’s better than Emerdale or Corrie, but I don’t suppose that’s difficult.
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Post by baggins on Nov 23, 2017 13:55:45 GMT
I'm still here. Power to the people! I’m just sitting back and enjoying the banter lol! It’s better than Emerdale or Corrie, but I don’t suppose that’s difficult. With you fella. Wait till later, crack open a can, allow the pot noodle to do it's thing, log in, read, laugh, it's way better than Corrie.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 23, 2017 13:58:41 GMT
I'm still here. Power to the people! I’m just sitting back and enjoying the banter lol! It’s better than Emerdale or Corrie, but I don’t suppose that’s difficult. I sense you are a Strictly fan Marshfield gas...
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Post by Marshy on Nov 23, 2017 14:04:14 GMT
I’m just sitting back and enjoying the banter lol! It’s better than Emerdale or Corrie, but I don’t suppose that’s difficult. I sense you are a Strictly fan Marshfield gas... Certainly not, I can’t watch that sh**e! That’s more Bags bag.
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Post by baggins on Nov 23, 2017 14:04:45 GMT
I’m just sitting back and enjoying the banter lol! It’s better than Emerdale or Corrie, but I don’t suppose that’s difficult. I sense you are a Strictly fan Marshfield gas... Don't diss the bloke.
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Post by baggins on Nov 23, 2017 14:05:37 GMT
I sense you are a Strictly fan Marshfield gas... Certainly not, I can’t watch that sh**e! That’s more Bags bag. Hey, I'm a Judge Judy man thank you very much.
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Post by Marshy on Nov 23, 2017 14:07:35 GMT
Certainly not, I can’t watch that sh**e! That’s more Bags bag. Hey, I'm a Judge Judy man thank you very much. No I don’t believe it, Judge Rinder yes.
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