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Post by madgas on Dec 2, 2017 9:39:31 GMT
For my mind- we’ve had 3 goals ruled against us that should have been goals. Some disputable red cards- (both for and against us). I’m not claiming to be unlucky but has the standard dropped this season. Last season I thought was a good season for referring but some of the decisions we’ve had.
1) Slocombe sent off after a dive. 2) Gaffney goal ruled out (onside) not even that close. 3) Clarke on the weekend. 4) The drop ball when an opponent sat on it? (Oldham) 5) Felt Sweeney was on the side of unlucky. 6) The yellow on Sincs for diving, no dive this time. But then the non yellow when he flew into someone studs up? 7) A blatant penalty that Plymouth should have been given. 8) Scunthorpe probably should have had a pen.
Generally. - time waisting has been profilicaly unpunished. - managers have behaved horrendously. Oxford being worse. Adams told his plauer to dive.
These are some of the decisions that have had major impacts on games, both for and against us. There are others I’m sure.
Last season I welcomed the marked improvement in refs. This season it’s all gone a bit off...
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Dec 2, 2017 10:32:21 GMT
For my mind- we’ve had 3 goals ruled against us that should have been goals. Some disputable red cards- (both for and against us). I’m not claiming to be unlucky but has the standard dropped this season. Last season I thought was a good season for referring but some of the decisions we’ve had. 1) Slocombe sent off after a dive. 2) Gaffney goal ruled out (onside) not even that close. 3) Clarke on the weekend. 4) The drop ball when an opponent sat on it? (Oldham) 5) Felt Sweeney was on the side of unlucky. 6) The yellow on Sincs for diving, no dive this time. But then the non yellow when he flew into someone studs up? 7) A blatant penalty that Plymouth should have been given. 8) Scunthorpe probably should have had a pen. Generally. - time waisting has been profilicaly unpunished. - managers have behaved horrendously. Oxford being worse. Adams told his plauer to dive. These are some of the decisions that have had major impacts on games, both for and against us. There are others I’m sure. Last season I welcomed the marked improvement in refs. This season it’s all gone a bit off... Time-wasting is a bit of a bugbear for me with refs. The way they deal with it varies greatly, and is generally poor. One bloke we had, can't remember the game, just pretty much ignored it, but pointed to his watch every time a player whined about it, and then added what I thought was a fair amount of time at the end. I think that might be the best way to go. The ones that make a huge deal about trying to stamp it out, and go over to talk to the player about it, and keep telling them to hurry up, usually end up looking stupid, coz they don't ever stop it, the players just ignore them, and they have to end up backing down on their supposedly zero tolerance, coz they won't send anyone off for it (probably rightly). And the time they spend supposedly dealing with it, just adds to the time being wasted. They also often seem keen to buy into a narrative set by the crowd, which means the smaller, weaker team, playing away must be wasting time, while bigger, stronger teams at home aren't. You get a smaller team spending twenty seconds taking a throw-in away from home, jeered by the crowd, being warned repeatedly by the ref, while a bigger team, taking twenty seconds for a throw-in at home, ignored by the ref.
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Post by Marshy on Dec 2, 2017 10:40:14 GMT
For my mind- we’ve had 3 goals ruled against us that should have been goals. Some disputable red cards- (both for and against us). I’m not claiming to be unlucky but has the standard dropped this season. Last season I thought was a good season for referring but some of the decisions we’ve had. 1) Slocombe sent off after a dive. 2) Gaffney goal ruled out (onside) not even that close. 3) Clarke on the weekend. 4) The drop ball when an opponent sat on it? (Oldham) 5) Felt Sweeney was on the side of unlucky. 6) The yellow on Sincs for diving, no dive this time. But then the non yellow when he flew into someone studs up? 7) A blatant penalty that Plymouth should have been given. 8) Scunthorpe probably should have had a pen. Generally. - time waisting has been profilicaly unpunished. - managers have behaved horrendously. Oxford being worse. Adams told his plauer to dive. These are some of the decisions that have had major impacts on games, both for and against us. There are others I’m sure. Last season I welcomed the marked improvement in refs. This season it’s all gone a bit off... Time-wasting is a bit of a bugbear for me with refs. The way they deal with it varies greatly, and is generally poor. One bloke we had, can't remember the game, just pretty much ignored it, but pointed to his watch every time a player whined about it, and then added what I thought was a fair amount of time at the end. I think that might be the best way to go. The ones that make a huge deal about trying to stamp it out, and go over to talk to the player about it, and keep telling them to hurry up, usually end up looking stupid, coz they don't ever stop it, the players just ignore them, and they have to end up backing down on their supposedly zero tolerance, coz they won't send anyone off for it (probably rightly). And the time they spend supposedly dealing with it, just adds to the time being wasted. They also often seem keen to buy into a narrative set by the crowd, which means the smaller, weaker team, playing away must be wasting time, while bigger, stronger teams at home aren't. You get a smaller team spending twenty seconds taking a throw-in away from home, jeered by the crowd, being warned repeatedly by the ref, while a bigger team, taking twenty seconds for a throw-in at home, ignored by the ref. The best way to deal with time wasting would be; Have a large time clock displayed that the referee controls with a stop start clicker, when there’s an injury or the ball flies out the stadium or someone is blatantly wasting time the ref stops the clock? When it counts down to zero, game over simples! There would therefore be no injury time and nothing to argue / moan about? Obviously this will never happen but why not? If this had been implemented 20 years ago Man Utd would have won at least 3 less titles!
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Dec 2, 2017 10:55:25 GMT
Post by Antonio Fargas on Dec 2, 2017 10:55:25 GMT
Time-wasting is a bit of a bugbear for me with refs. The way they deal with it varies greatly, and is generally poor. One bloke we had, can't remember the game, just pretty much ignored it, but pointed to his watch every time a player whined about it, and then added what I thought was a fair amount of time at the end. I think that might be the best way to go. The ones that make a huge deal about trying to stamp it out, and go over to talk to the player about it, and keep telling them to hurry up, usually end up looking stupid, coz they don't ever stop it, the players just ignore them, and they have to end up backing down on their supposedly zero tolerance, coz they won't send anyone off for it (probably rightly). And the time they spend supposedly dealing with it, just adds to the time being wasted. They also often seem keen to buy into a narrative set by the crowd, which means the smaller, weaker team, playing away must be wasting time, while bigger, stronger teams at home aren't. You get a smaller team spending twenty seconds taking a throw-in away from home, jeered by the crowd, being warned repeatedly by the ref, while a bigger team, taking twenty seconds for a throw-in at home, ignored by the ref. The best way to deal with time wasting would be; Have a large time clock displayed that the referee controls with a stop start clicker, when there’s an injury or the ball flies out the stadium or someone is blatantly wasting time the ref stops the clock? When it counts down to zero, game over simples! There would therefore be no injury time and nothing to argue / moan about? Obviously this will never happen but why not? The problem with this, imo, is that this would then legitimise gamesmanship in regard to disrupting the flow of the game. People would fall over every two minutes and be treated, or spend ages organising set pieces, etc, with impunity. The game might slow to a crawl (see the last two minutes of an American football game) and they could not be hurried-up, coz the idea that every second will be played, would transcend the idea that there is an inherent flow and a fluidity to the game, which is also a factor when chasing a game, or exerting increasing pressure at the end of a game.
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Dec 2, 2017 11:01:45 GMT
Post by matealotblue on Dec 2, 2017 11:01:45 GMT
Interesting comments from Graham Poll that no refs ( guess it is just confirming what most supporters know anyway) these days enforces the 6 sec GK ball holding rule . Still on the books but not enforced as he says no ref wants to be the first to start a controversy about it. Then you get Marin Atkinson making a huge howler in the recent Stoke game and being allowed to carry on regardless. So if they can’t get the obvious big calls right ...no chance on the other ones. GP said what we all say...all everyone asks for is consistency. But we are only human so ain’t gonna happen.
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Dec 2, 2017 11:14:25 GMT
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Post by bluestone on Dec 2, 2017 11:14:25 GMT
I agree that the standard of refereeing so far this season has been extremely bad but I'm not sure it was that much better last season either to be honest!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 12:22:21 GMT
I wish it was just like rugby,where the referee is treated with respect and god help players that show dissent. Also the commentators in rugby will have a short discussion about a ref error and thats it. Football commentators just go on and on about some howler a ref made.
I do believe that when your struggling everything including refs decisions seems to go against you.
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Dec 2, 2017 12:44:17 GMT
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Dec 2, 2017 12:44:17 GMT
I wish it was just like rugby,where the referee is treated with respect and god help players that show dissent. Also the commentators in rugby will have a short discussion about a ref error and thats it. Football commentators just go on and on about some howler a ref made. I do believe that when your struggling everything including refs decisions seems to go against you. for that to happen we need to exchange all football players for educated athletes who play for club and country with passion and are prepared to receive a battering without complaint
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Dec 2, 2017 12:56:37 GMT
Post by Colyton Gas on Dec 2, 2017 12:56:37 GMT
Refs do get a hard time sometimes.The Beard blatantly dived v Wimbledon and was booked.(Blatant too x 2 at Bury with a red card). Crowd by me would have lynched the ref at the time but as Sincs wasn't even subtle when he dived,the crowd were letting their emotions cloud their judgment,best ref iv'e seen in past 3 years was away at Nuneaton.Wonder what happened to him? Worst was at Mansfield,clearly out of his depth. We'll win to-day and all be smiling at 5 pm and happy with the ref.UTG.
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Dec 2, 2017 13:08:19 GMT
Post by Antonio Fargas on Dec 2, 2017 13:08:19 GMT
Refs do get a hard time sometimes.The Beard blatantly dived v Wimbledon and was booked.(Blatant too x 2 at Bury with a red card). Crowd by me would have lynched the ref at the time but as Sincs wasn't even subtle when he dived,the crowd were letting their emotions cloud their judgment,best ref iv'e seen in past 3 years was away at Nuneaton.Wonder what happened to him? Worst was at Mansfield,clearly out of his depth. We'll win to-day and all be smiling at 5 pm and happy with the ref.UTG. Note to self: get ready to bump.
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Dec 2, 2017 13:25:43 GMT
Refs do get a hard time sometimes.The Beard blatantly dived v Wimbledon and was booked.(Blatant too x 2 at Bury with a red card). Crowd by me would have lynched the ref at the time but as Sincs wasn't even subtle when he dived,the crowd were letting their emotions cloud their judgment,best ref iv'e seen in past 3 years was away at Nuneaton.Wonder what happened to him? Worst was at Mansfield,clearly out of his depth. We'll win to-day and all be smiling at 5 pm and happy with the ref.UTG. Note to self: get ready to bump. I've not done the bump for ages - I'll try and dig out my Kenny single and maybe we could do it together ? also like to try the hustle and hucklebuck if you fancy it ?
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Post by mehewmagic on Dec 2, 2017 13:47:31 GMT
Note to self: get ready to bump. I've not done the bump for ages - I'll try and dig out my Kenny single and maybe we could do it together ? also like to try the hustle and hucklebuck if you fancy it ? I'm going to do the bus stop. f(l)ares please.
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Dec 2, 2017 13:48:06 GMT
Post by Antonio Fargas on Dec 2, 2017 13:48:06 GMT
I had mashed potato for tea last night. Does that count?
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Post by Colyton Gas on Dec 3, 2017 12:43:32 GMT
Refs do get a hard time sometimes.The Beard blatantly dived v Wimbledon and was booked.(Blatant too x 2 at Bury with a red card). Crowd by me would have lynched the ref at the time but as Sincs wasn't even subtle when he dived,the crowd were letting their emotions cloud their judgment,best ref iv'e seen in past 3 years was away at Nuneaton.Wonder what happened to him? Worst was at Mansfield,clearly out of his depth. We'll win to-day and all be smiling at 5 pm and happy with the ref.UTG. Note to self: get ready to bump. Ref 8 Despite reputation and being over fussy he gave a good account of himself. From Steve 192. NB. MOTD,Ian Wright and Alan Shearer disagreed on a penalty decision despite all the video replays
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Dec 3, 2017 13:17:31 GMT
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 3, 2017 13:17:31 GMT
Did anyone see the stonewall penalty that Watford were denied yesterday?
That was the worst decision I think I have seen this season.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Dec 3, 2017 15:25:55 GMT
Did anyone see the stonewall penalty that Watford were denied yesterday? That was the worst decision I think I have seen this season. I haven't seen it but as a general point I find myself having more and more sympathy for refs nowadays. The pressure is so high with video from every angle; pundits scrutinising every decision, reporters shoving mics in the managers faces practically begging them to criticise them to make a story, and of course the biggest factor being the dishonesty of players, making it impossible for a ref to trust what he is seeing and take it at face value.
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Dec 3, 2017 17:31:40 GMT
Post by Antonio Fargas on Dec 3, 2017 17:31:40 GMT
Note to self: get ready to bump. Ref 8 Despite reputation and being over fussy he gave a good account of himself. Although, to be fair, he does run funny.
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Dec 3, 2017 17:55:43 GMT
Post by madgas on Dec 3, 2017 17:55:43 GMT
Did anyone see the stonewall penalty that Watford were denied yesterday? That was the worst decision I think I have seen this season. I haven't seen it but as a general point I find myself having more and more sympathy for refs nowadays. The pressure is so high with video from every angle; pundits scrutinising every decision, reporters shoving mics in the managers faces practically begging them to criticise them to make a story, and of course the biggest factor being the dishonesty of players, making it impossible for a ref to trust what he is seeing and take it at face value. Whilst I created this post. I totally agree. There is so much presser and refs have to deal with schmarks like me pointing out their mistakes. They need help for sure. I find it kinda strange that there are constant calls for more and more video technology but few for more full-time refs. If each prem club gave a little more kitty we could easily ensure every game in the football league was "ref'd" by a full time pros. Often they are simply unfit.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 3, 2017 18:50:03 GMT
I'd like to see refs miked up like rugby.
I'd also like to see a Captain only rule brought in with any dissent leading to instant red cards.
No one else should talk to a ref.
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Dec 3, 2017 18:59:47 GMT
Post by gasincider on Dec 3, 2017 18:59:47 GMT
Personally, time wasting doesn't bother me. The answer to it is for us to be in the lead, then waste as much time as WE want.
You can't have it both ways. Remember Ellis in the last minute against Dagenham?
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