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Post by Antonio Fargas on Dec 10, 2017 19:07:19 GMT
Surely if commercial revenue was an issue, the club could have renegotiated at a later date, keeping the club moving forward in the short term? Like Coventry are doing? UWE had us over a barrel. I expect they thought we could not possibly refuse their offer coz our negotiating position was so weak. The negotiations dragged on and didn't seem to get anywhere. Had the stadium been built and we moved in and sold the Mem, how would that have improved our negotiating position?
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Post by gasandelectricity on Dec 10, 2017 19:51:19 GMT
Also do you actually believe that we will redevelop the Mem? I do not know whether the Mem will be redeveloped in full or not . A new stadium site may be found . A new deal might be struck with UWE who knows. I would guess...and its a guess....that the East stand and terrace will be replaced with an all seater stand of about 6-8000 capacity. That the north terrace and the bars will be replaced with a 3-4000 seated stand. That a 2-3000 seat stand will be built at the south end of the ground for away fans. Then a 6-8000 stand to replace the west stand/terrace/family terrace. so a final stadium of 17-23,000 capacity. How soon or long this would take I don't know....and even if built in stages the club could still leave for a new built stadium if the opportunity arose. For this to happen though the three sides of the ground..east north and south would need demolition at the same time.With the pitch moving north and east. So even more tents could happen to start with !
You could build the new East End over the car park, leaving the existing stands intact, over the course of the season whilst finishing our home games early on. Demolish the East End and shift/rotate the pitch in the off season. Then you have plenty of flexibility over the reconstruction of the other stands, with the option for improved tents in certain areas and/or expansion westwards. You'd probably replace the west stand last as you could feasibly turn this into an all seater with little work and perhaps not even improve this area in the short term.
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Post by BrightonGas on Dec 10, 2017 19:55:23 GMT
I do not know whether the Mem will be redeveloped in full or not . A new stadium site may be found . A new deal might be struck with UWE who knows. I would guess...and its a guess....that the East stand and terrace will be replaced with an all seater stand of about 6-8000 capacity. That the north terrace and the bars will be replaced with a 3-4000 seated stand. That a 2-3000 seat stand will be built at the south end of the ground for away fans. Then a 6-8000 stand to replace the west stand/terrace/family terrace. so a final stadium of 17-23,000 capacity. How soon or long this would take I don't know....and even if built in stages the club could still leave for a new built stadium if the opportunity arose. For this to happen though the three sides of the ground..east north and south would need demolition at the same time.With the pitch moving north and east. So even more tents could happen to start with !
You could build the new East End over the car park, leaving the existing stands intact, over the course of the season whilst finishing our home games early on. Demolish the East End and shift/rotate the pitch in the off season. Then you have plenty of flexibility over the reconstruction of the other stands, with the option for improved tents in certain areas and/or expansion westwards. You'd probably replace the west stand last as you could feasibly turn this into an all seater with little work and perhaps not even improve this area in the short term. I was imagining that the other day, it does seem like a relatively easy option and means we can continue playing while the new stand is built in the car park.
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Post by knowall on Dec 10, 2017 20:06:13 GMT
Not meaning to be 'argumentative' at all, but you seem so convinced about this from a conversation that you say you had on a train with someone who was a friend of mine for 40 years and who never mentioned it to me as being fact (although we did discuss the rumors which were being put about.) Something which I find surprising. However, as you will know, Geoff spoke highly of the Al-Qadi family but having read your posts on this forum I can't find one where you have anything good to say about them or Rovers for that matter! having shared a confidential matter with Geoff Dunford on a train I would have thought you might also agree with him about the Al-Qadi family. I’m not as privileged as you to have known Geoff personally but I had a conversation with him on the train return from Plymouth and discussed the rumour regarding the American consortium and he said that there was indeed the interest from the Americans. On the subject of my previous posts I stand by them all and to be honest I’m not impressed at all with the AlQs and struggle to see how Geoff Dunford although as you say he spoke highly of them would’ve envisaged to situation we now find ourselves in . Funny also how under Higgs/ Dunford we had a good deal with the UWE but under the spoke of highly clan we don’t . Just for clarification Geoff Dunford was not fully involved with the UWE deal and did not know if the deal negotiated by Higgs was good or not. Much the same for the other directors of BRFC. fivealive and others who are Rovers knockers seem to have an agenda which is anti-Rovers and anti-Al-Qadi - rest assured they will not succeed whilst true Rovers supporters are around.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Dec 10, 2017 23:42:25 GMT
I do not know whether the Mem will be redeveloped in full or not . A new stadium site may be found . A new deal might be struck with UWE who knows. I would guess...and its a guess....that the East stand and terrace will be replaced with an all seater stand of about 6-8000 capacity. That the north terrace and the bars will be replaced with a 3-4000 seated stand. That a 2-3000 seat stand will be built at the south end of the ground for away fans. Then a 6-8000 stand to replace the west stand/terrace/family terrace. so a final stadium of 17-23,000 capacity. How soon or long this would take I don't know....and even if built in stages the club could still leave for a new built stadium if the opportunity arose. For this to happen though the three sides of the ground..east north and south would need demolition at the same time.With the pitch moving north and east. So even more tents could happen to start with !
any more tents and it’ll start resembling Glastonbury Nowt wrong with that. They get 175,000 through the door, plus think of the additional revenue streams
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Post by Captain Jayho on Dec 11, 2017 0:22:38 GMT
fivealive and others who are Rovers knockers seem to have an agenda which is anti-Rovers and anti-Al-Qadi - rest assured they will not succeed whilst true Rovers supporters are around. Isn't it possible for us all to discuss this without engendering a 'them versus us' mentality amongst the fanbase? People have legitimate views on both sides of the issue and if everyone respected that a little more then maybe we'd be closer to getting some clarity on the future instead of just bickering amongst ourselves. You don't believe we should question the decisions or direction of the board and I respect your view on that. But it won't stop other people from wanting to get answers and I don't know why you would want to prevent that anyway. If there is nothing to hide then they have nothing to be worried about. Personally I don't see the harm in people trying to understand what the future for the club holds and how it is being proposed that we get there. Holding a group of people who have ownership of something that means so much to so many of us to account shouldn't be frowned upon, it should be applauded. If the board are doing the right thing then they will be feted for it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 2:32:29 GMT
no the thread involved Steve Hamer but linked up to as things do to involve our owners etc etc not really anything to do with yesterday’s game you’re on the wrong thread my fine and funky friend 😉 Are the current owners also to blame for unknown American bid being rejected? I'm interested? Rhetorical question , I’m struggling
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 2:40:06 GMT
I’m not as privileged as you to have known Geoff personally but I had a conversation with him on the train return from Plymouth and discussed the rumour regarding the American consortium and he said that there was indeed the interest from the Americans. On the subject of my previous posts I stand by them all and to be honest I’m not impressed at all with the AlQs and struggle to see how Geoff Dunford although as you say he spoke highly of them would’ve envisaged to situation we now find ourselves in . Funny also how under Higgs/ Dunford we had a good deal with the UWE but under the spoke of highly clan we don’t . Just for clarification Geoff Dunford was not fully involved with the UWE deal and did not know if the deal negotiated by Higgs was good or not. Much the same for the other directors of BRFC. fivealive and others who are Rovers knockers seem to have an agenda which is anti-Rovers and anti-Al-Qadi - rest assured they will not succeed whilst true Rovers supporters are around. listen fella , do you really think l have all this personal time just to come on here and try and wind you up ? We quite obviously have very differing opinions , this is a forum for debate and discussion and not everyone that gets involved concur but just because you don’t like my slight on matters you question my allegiance to the club I love , very insulting my friend
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 2:42:48 GMT
any more tents and it’ll start resembling Glastonbury Nowt wrong with that. They get 175,000 through the door, plus think of the additional revenue streams and off our nut 😉
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 11, 2017 6:33:08 GMT
No training facility, no stadium and no ambition whatsoever. Are you saying that you expected this when the AlQs took control ? I await that answer. I do not recall a club owned training facility being discussed by anyone...before recently. I don't recall an academy being discussed by anyone...before recently. I do recall new stadium talk for the last 50 years being discussed by everyone and it not happening. I do recall the media going overboard about middle eastern bankers taking over the club and some fans letting that go crazy in their head thinking Rovers would be competing with Man City in the transfer market (!) . I don't recall the new owners saying anything other than they want to build a club the proper way from the bottom up and not just throw money at things. I do remember the mantra Evolution not revolution being repeated over and over (though it seems some still have not realised what this means) I also remember the owners saying that the club could not continue into the future at the current stadium. This has not changed everyone knows the 12,000 mostly standing no facilities Memorial stadium is a relic from the 1980s ....so D.C.s 30 years behind is actually being kind to the club its really 40 years in the past. I heard evolution not revolution....I expected evolution not revolution...I was saddened when the UWE project turned out to not be all it was cracked up to be. I got over that sadness when I realised the decision was done with the clubs best interests at heart.Just like leaving Eastville was a sad day but was done for the right reasons.
I have seen evolution not revolution.
Quality Post Sir, that is how i see it as well, like most other sensible Posters
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Post by madgas on Dec 11, 2017 7:34:04 GMT
fivealive and others who are Rovers knockers seem to have an agenda which is anti-Rovers and anti-Al-Qadi - rest assured they will not succeed whilst true Rovers supporters are around. Isn't it possible for us all to discuss this without engendering a 'them versus us' mentality amongst the fanbase? People have legitimate views on both sides of the issue and if everyone respected that a little more then maybe we'd be closer to getting some clarity on the future instead of just bickering amongst ourselves. You don't believe we should question the decisions or direction of the board and I respect your view on that. But it won't stop other people from wanting to get answers and I don't know why you would want to prevent that anyway. If there is nothing to hide then they have nothing to be worried about. Personally I don't see the harm in people trying to understand what the future for the club holds and how it is being proposed that we get there. Holding a group of people who have ownership of something that means so much to so many of us to account shouldn't be frowned upon, it should be applauded. If the board are doing the right thing then they will be feted for it. To an extent I agree but this whole thread was a nothing news story, written in a way to bait fans. I’ve said before but the fact Bodin will get a much better offer in the championship is stating the obvious. The fact that al-Qadis are finding this expensive is not news.
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Post by Jomo on Dec 11, 2017 7:45:53 GMT
 Surely if commercial revenue was an issue, the club could have renegotiated at a later date, keeping the club moving forward in the short term? Like Coventry are doing? UWE had us over a barrel. I expect they thought we could not possibly refuse their offer coz our negotiating position was so weak. The negotiations dragged on and didn't seem to get anywhere. Had the stadium been built and we moved in and sold the Mem, how would that have improved our negotiating position? Fair enough and you may well be right, but how do we KNOW UWE had us over a barrel? All we've heard is they missed a deadline and didn't go to Jordan to conclude the deal. All more than a bit wishy washy if true, Surely?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Dec 11, 2017 8:40:42 GMT
Like Coventry are doing? UWE had us over a barrel. I expect they thought we could not possibly refuse their offer coz our negotiating position was so weak. The negotiations dragged on and didn't seem to get anywhere. Had the stadium been built and we moved in and sold the Mem, how would that have improved our negotiating position? Fair enough and you may well be right, but how do we KNOW UWE had us over a barrel? All we've heard is they missed a deadline and didn't go to Jordan to conclude the deal. All more than a bit wishy washy if true, Surely? We either did a deal with UWE or we did what actually happened. That was our choice. You can tell by the way everyone whined when the UWE deal fell through that it was not a popular move. Everyone knew it wouldn't be a popular move. UWE knew that we either did a deal with them or we would be left in the situation we are in now.
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Post by knowall on Dec 11, 2017 9:54:34 GMT
Just for clarification Geoff Dunford was not fully involved with the UWE deal and did not know if the deal negotiated by Higgs was good or not. Much the same for the other directors of BRFC. fivealive and others who are Rovers knockers seem to have an agenda which is anti-Rovers and anti-Al-Qadi - rest assured they will not succeed whilst true Rovers supporters are around. listen fella , do you really think l have all this personal time just to come on here and try and wind you up ? We quite obviously have very differing opinions , this is a forum for debate and discussion and not everyone that gets involved concur but just because you don’t like my slight on matters you question my allegiance to the club I love , very insulting my friend Insulting? - when you admit you have nothing good to say about the Al-Qadi family who, the first thing they had to do when they walked through the door was hand over £3million to a loan company to keep the Club you say you love alive. Had they not done that we would not be able to argue/wind up/watch BRFC on a Saturday. I would say you are insulting them. Apart from some praise for DC please show me just one post where you have a good word to say about the Club you love. In the meantime - see you at Gillingham??
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 17:46:56 GMT
I do not know whether the Mem will be redeveloped in full or not . A new stadium site may be found . A new deal might be struck with UWE who knows. I would guess...and its a guess....that the East stand and terrace will be replaced with an all seater stand of about 6-8000 capacity. That the north terrace and the bars will be replaced with a 3-4000 seated stand. That a 2-3000 seat stand will be built at the south end of the ground for away fans. Then a 6-8000 stand to replace the west stand/terrace/family terrace. so a final stadium of 17-23,000 capacity. How soon or long this would take I don't know....and even if built in stages the club could still leave for a new built stadium if the opportunity arose. For this to happen though the three sides of the ground..east north and south would need demolition at the same time.With the pitch moving north and east. So even more tents could happen to start with !
How much is all that going to cost and how is it going to be financed when we're already losing around £2m a season, just treading water? I guess if built bit by bit the costs wont be all at once ? although it could be a continuous project like at ashton gate. ? I have no idea how it will be financed.
We could ponder how the following got finance for new stadium works. Colchester united Rotherham united AFC Bournemouth Shrewsbury town Mansfield town chester city Walsall Burton albion Plymouth Argyle Swansea city Yeovil Town Exeter city Torquay united Cheltenham town FGR
just a short list of clubs that have improved or replaced their stadiums and none are arguably bigger clubs than BRFC.
I suspect the stadium will have other things inbuilt..like the original revamped mem. Hotel , small supermarket , homes ,bars ,gyms etc
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Dec 11, 2017 17:57:36 GMT
where's @fivealive gone ?
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Post by bumble on Dec 11, 2017 17:59:13 GMT
No training facility, no stadium and no ambition whatsoever. Are you saying that you expected this when the AlQs took control ? I await that answer. I do not recall a club owned training facility being discussed by anyone...before recently. I don't recall an academy being discussed by anyone...before recently. I do recall new stadium talk for the last 50 years being discussed by everyone and it not happening. I do recall the media going overboard about middle eastern bankers taking over the club and some fans letting that go crazy in their head thinking Rovers would be competing with Man City in the transfer market (!) . I don't recall the new owners saying anything other than they want to build a club the proper way from the bottom up and not just throw money at things. I do remember the mantra Evolution not revolution being repeated over and over (though it seems some still have not realised what this means) I also remember the owners saying that the club could not continue into the future at the current stadium. This has not changed everyone knows the 12,000 mostly standing no facilities Memorial stadium is a relic from the 1980s ....so D.C.s 30 years behind is actually being kind to the club its really 40 years in the past. I heard evolution not revolution....I expected evolution not revolution...I was saddened when the UWE project turned out to not be all it was cracked up to be. I got over that sadness when I realised the decision was done with the clubs best interests at heart.Just like leaving Eastville was a sad day but was done for the right reasons.
I have seen evolution not revolution.
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Post by bumble on Dec 11, 2017 18:00:39 GMT
where's @fivealive gone ? It's Ashton Park youth club on a Monday night.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Dec 11, 2017 18:02:56 GMT
where's @fivealive gone ? Trying to get a new account going with the "5" still in it by the sounds of it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 18:03:15 GMT
I do not recall a club owned training facility being discussed by anyone...before recently. I don't recall an academy being discussed by anyone...before recently. I do recall new stadium talk for the last 50 years being discussed by everyone and it not happening. I do recall the media going overboard about middle eastern bankers taking over the club and some fans letting that go crazy in their head thinking Rovers would be competing with Man City in the transfer market (!) . I don't recall the new owners saying anything other than they want to build a club the proper way from the bottom up and not just throw money at things. I do remember the mantra Evolution not revolution being repeated over and over (though it seems some still have not realised what this means) I also remember the owners saying that the club could not continue into the future at the current stadium. This has not changed everyone knows the 12,000 mostly standing no facilities Memorial stadium is a relic from the 1980s ....so D.C.s 30 years behind is actually being kind to the club its really 40 years in the past. I heard evolution not revolution....I expected evolution not revolution...I was saddened when the UWE project turned out to not be all it was cracked up to be. I got over that sadness when I realised the decision was done with the clubs best interests at heart.Just like leaving Eastville was a sad day but was done for the right reasons.
I have seen evolution not revolution.
Thanks for this post, can't disagree with it, but one thing I'd like you to clarify is why you believe the decision to abandon the UWE deal was in the club's best interests? I obviously am not privvy to the intricacies of the UWE deal, but I cannot fathom how redeveloping the Mem over the next 5/10/15 years could be a preferable option over a ready-to-go stadium with better future infrastructure than the Mem can hope for, in almost every way. Surely if commercial revenue was an issue, the club could have renegotiated at a later date, keeping the club moving forward in the short term? I do not know for sure the absolute reasoning. I could suppose that UWE were not acting like a charity towards BRFC they had to have a good financial reason for the project to happen. If this was to involve hefty % of bar and facility profits then it would leave a bare minimum to offer investors and then nothing for the club . So a situation could arise where 20,000 fans are needed at league one level to meet the payouts but then only have money for a conference costing squad. How long would 20,000 turn up...and then what happens ? The point of a shiny new stadium was to help the club finance itself.
What facilities were on offer at the UWE stadium that were not at the original Mem revamp ? The biggest difference it appears was the ability to expand past the 30,000 if ever required and having lots more car parking spaces.
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