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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 18, 2017 11:35:50 GMT
Taken from a post on Facebook, thanks Paul !
"I am not saying that I am not disappointed with some of the results this season but let's think about how some other clubs who have hitched a ride on our journey over the last 3 and a half have done/are doing compared to us. Torquay United who were relegated with us in 2014 look as though they will hang on to their National Premier League status by a thread, if they manage to stay up this season, really struggling. Barnet who won Promotion with us in 2015 as Champions are currently bottom of League Two. Northampton Town and AFC Wimbledon, who were promoted with us in 2016 are currently in worse League positions than us in League One. Oxford United are not setting the Division alight. My point is, that things take time, patience!"
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Dec 18, 2017 11:37:48 GMT
FGR were gonna water League 2, apparently.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 11:41:19 GMT
With respect to clubs like Forest Green, Torquay, Barnet etc. If we are comparing ourselves to them then we are very bad.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Dec 18, 2017 11:43:03 GMT
With respect to clubs like Forest Green, Torquay, Barnet etc. If we are comparing ourselves to them then we are very bad. Oxford, Northampton, AFC Wombles ........ |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Dec 18, 2017 11:44:07 GMT
With respect to clubs like Forest Green, Torquay, Barnet etc. If we are comparing ourselves to them then we are very bad. Oxford, Northampton, AFC Wombles ........ Add Grimsby. |
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Post by Colyton Gas on Dec 18, 2017 11:44:30 GMT
Sadly,Wimbledon were better than us in a dire display last month but despite our brilliant displays against Wolves and Southend ,we still seem capable of dross like Sat.But hey that's football.Up here Stoke manager's job hanging by a thread and Port Vale and Crewe's first wins Sat for yonks don't disguise their precarious league positions.Monty,incidently who has scored in the two previous VALE games was suspended for their trip to Carlisle Sat.
Can't see Stoke wanting Sweeney or Telford back unless it's to re -loan them elsewhere.Hope Telford gets a start sometime.
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Post by knowall on Dec 18, 2017 11:44:35 GMT
Taken from a post on Facebook, thanks Paul ! "I am not saying that I am not disappointed with some of the results this season but let's think about how some other clubs who have hitched a ride on our journey over the last 3 and a half have done/are doing compared to us. Torquay United who were relegated with us in 2014 look as though they will hang on to their National Premier League status by a thread, if they manage to stay up this season, really struggling. Barnet who won Promotion with us in 2015 as Champions are currently bottom of League Two. Northampton Town and AFC Wimbledon, who were promoted with us in 2016 are currently in worse League positions than us in League One. Oxford United are not setting the Division alight. My point is, that things take time, patience!"Where have I heard that before? - oh yes! - and as it happens it is very true - give Wael, Hamer, Brookfield and DC the time and they will get it right - maybe a few bumps along the way but think back two years and what has happened since. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 11:45:27 GMT
With respect to clubs like Forest Green, Torquay, Barnet etc. If we are comparing ourselves to them then we are very bad. Oxford, Northampton, AFC Wombles ........ Yep, give you Oxford and Northampton but considering AFC Wimbledon are a fledgling club and have risen through the leagues and looking like they will have a brand new ground before we will you aint having them.  |
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Post by chippenhamgas on Dec 18, 2017 11:49:08 GMT
Oxford, Northampton, AFC Wombles ........ Yep, give you Oxford and Northampton but considering AFC Wimbledon are a fledgling club and have risen through the leagues and looking like they will have a brand new ground before we will you aint having them. There are clubs who haven't even thought about a new ground yet who will have one before we do. #evolutionnotrevolution |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 12:56:46 GMT
Oxford did sell some players for reasonable money over the last season so probably were able to create a stronger league one first team.
Saying that they are only four points ahead of Rovers which could have been just one if BRFC had beaten Gills.
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Post by peterparker on Dec 18, 2017 13:14:30 GMT
we are currently a mid table 3rd division side, which is pretty much what we were for most of history prior to the last 18-20 years
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 13:41:55 GMT
we are currently a mid table 3rd division side, which is pretty much what we were for most of history prior to the last 18-20 years We haven't lost 13 games before xmas and conceded four goals as regularly as this season and stayed mid table. We've been taken apart by teams who are in a relegation fight and if that isn't a case for worry i don't know what is. I wonder if this squad has the mental strength to cope with a relegation battle as it stands. If playoffs would have existed back in the day we would have been in or around them most seasons. |
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Post by peterparker on Dec 18, 2017 13:48:48 GMT
we are currently a mid table 3rd division side, which is pretty much what we were for most of history prior to the last 18-20 years We haven't lost 13 games before xmas and conceded four goals as regularly as this season and stayed mid table. We've been taken apart by teams who are in a relegation fight and if that isn't a case for worry i don't know what is. I wonder if this squad has the mental strength to cope with a relegation battle as it stands. If playoffs would have existed back in the day we would have been in or around them most seasons. we have also won 9, which is at least 3 more than everyone currently below us and if we had won Saturday we would have been 10th. I would suggest it says that the majority of the division is pretty equal in terms of quality (or lack there of)
I am not suggesting it can't go pear shaped, but although we are losing games, we are winning them as well. win Saturday and we could possibly go 11th/12th
It's not the end of the world yet
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 14:37:58 GMT
We haven't lost 13 games before xmas and conceded four goals as regularly as this season and stayed mid table. We've been taken apart by teams who are in a relegation fight and if that isn't a case for worry i don't know what is. I wonder if this squad has the mental strength to cope with a relegation battle as it stands. If playoffs would have existed back in the day we would have been in or around them most seasons. we have also won 9, which is at least 3 more than everyone currently below us and if we had won Saturday we would have been 10th. I would suggest it says that the majority of the division is pretty equal in terms of quality (or lack there of)
I am not suggesting it can't go pear shaped, but although we are losing games, we are winning them as well. win Saturday and we could possibly go 11th/12th
It's not the end of the world yet
But we didn't win saturday we were battered yet again by a team at the bottom. That's two wins in how many if we include cup matches. If a team stands off us and gives us time on the ball we can play some good stuff, on the other hand when a team gets in our faces and hurries us in possession, we resort to long balls to an isolated striker or two and then crumble and lose our shape, which results in a total shambles at the back. This isn't an isolated incident either. I'm just hoping our home form stays and DC can get some strength physically and mentally in the team during the window. UTG |
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Post by bluestone on Dec 18, 2017 14:38:46 GMT
I don't make many threads (only once before I think) but was just contemplating creating one similar to this so thought I may as well post on here instead.
The title of my thread would have been slightly different though, I would have gone with:
"We are not as bad as some people like to think"
My reasoning for this is that now we are 22 games in to the season (virtually half way) I decided to check the stats on how this season compares with last season in League 1, so here it is folks:
League 1 (2016/17):
W 8
D 6
L 8
Points = 30
League 1 (2017/18):
W 9
D 0
L 13
Points = 27
As one can see, we are only 3 points (i.e. one win) behind where we were last year, so in terms of our overall position this is not much different, there are also some other factors that should be taken into consideration:
- Last year at this point we still had snakey on our books, whatever you think of him now back then he was a major factor in our success.
- Before this season started most people thought that L1 was going to be tougher this year compared to last due to the relegated / promoted teams coming into L1.
- I'm not sure of the stats but compared with last season it seems to me that we have had more injuries, red card suspensions and international absences to contend with.
Like others, I am disappointed by some of our performances this season (home and away) but I think we really do need to try and keep a sense of perspective. We all want what's best for the club and for us to continue on our journey to a higher level but to suggest we are totally crap and that our current squad and / or the manager have come as far as they can go is total rubbish imo. We don't need to rip it all up and start again, we need to keep tweaking and adjusting by adding and replacing here and there whilst still investing in our current core squad who have served us so well over the last few years.
So for anyone reading this who is a glass half empty type, please look at the facts/stats above which don't lie, and try to stay positive and keep lending your support to Bristol Rovers, "The pride of the west country" (in the words of Nick Day), after all that's the best thing we can all do at the moment.
Keep the faith, the futures bright, the futures blue and white!
UTG!
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Post by alasitsgas on Dec 18, 2017 14:54:02 GMT
Yes we are that bad.Once Yes, Twice is a coincidence, three times or more we are very bad.
for what its worth too many players from our Vanarama days,and also players who are badly skippered.
The last time we had something like this was in Trollope's era with the mass exodus.
You can't beat experience and getting rid of Germaine Easter was short sighted.Bodin is a plus
but one man doesn't make a team,so i suspect he'll be off.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 14:58:46 GMT
The difference in the stats really is whether you like watching your team lose or not.
13 defeats from 22 games that's nearly 60% of games.
compared to
8 defeats from 22 games which is nearer 35% of games.
The points might be similar but reality is you prefer walking away from a game having drawn than losing.
If you looked at away games then its more magnified with nearer 80% defeats.
(all figures are guess-timates )
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Post by socrates on Dec 18, 2017 15:31:35 GMT
The difference in the stats really is whether you like watching your team lose or not. 13 defeats from 22 games that's nearly 60% of games. compared to 8 defeats from 22 games which is nearer 35% of games. The points might be similar but reality is you prefer walking away from a game having drawn than losing. If you looked at away games then its more magnified with nearer 80% defeats. (all figures are guess-timates ) I’d be happier with losing more games this season and having a higher points total come the end of the season than losing less games and having less points though. Wouldn’t you ? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 15:35:03 GMT
Yes we are that bad.Once Yes, Twice is a coincidence, three times or more we are very bad. for what its worth too many players from our Vanarama days,and also players who are badly skippered. The last time we had something like this was in Trollope's era with the mass exodus. You can't beat experience and getting rid of Germaine Easter was short sighted.Bodin is a plus but one man doesn't make a team,so i suspect he'll be off. Not sure what badly skippered means or how much you think that influences a seasons performances. Personally I think captaincy is a role that's over exaggerated and has little/no relevance to TL's form this season. There should be leaders all over the pitch and if players can't do the jobs they are paid for without looking to their captain for support every 5 minutes they should consider another profession. I can't even remember who captained England at Euro 1996 - you had Adams, Ince, Pearce, Southgate, Platt and Shearer who were all leaders in their own right. I can't imagine any would be less vocal just because one happened to be wearing the symbolic armband. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 15:39:00 GMT
Yes we are that bad.Once Yes, Twice is a coincidence, three times or more we are very bad. for what its worth too many players from our Vanarama days,and also players who are badly skippered. The last time we had something like this was in Trollope's era with the mass exodus. You can't beat experience and getting rid of Germaine Easter was short sighted.Bodin is a plus but one man doesn't make a team,so i suspect he'll be off. I'm sure Easter will have been a great influence around the dressing room but I don't think we could justify keeping one of highest earners just to keep spirits up. He barely warranted a starting place in the previous seasons and was even less likely to do so being a year older. Didn't he have a trial for a League 2 team in the summer and not get taken on? |
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