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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 30, 2014 12:15:34 GMT
Well NH is hardly going to say anything else as he needs to keep both the pressure on Sainsbury's and also the fans support, unless BCC are giving him inside info I can't see how he'd personally know which way the appeal would go?
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Post by Mark Ash on Sept 30, 2014 12:35:24 GMT
You may be right. It just seems to me that he looks worse if he tells us all that it will be ok and then we're left with nothing. Major egg-on-face time for him in that case, I'd have thought.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Sept 30, 2014 14:09:26 GMT
Nick Higgs just needs to man up and say, he is not able to deliver the new stadium; then we could all move on. The bloke does not even turn up every week to watch the matches. Sainsburys have said they do not intend to build any more large stores, what is not clear about that ? They aint interested ffs. UTG
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 30, 2014 15:10:13 GMT
Nick Higgs just needs to man up and say, he is not able to deliver the new stadium; then we could all move on. The bloke does not even turn up every week to watch the matches. Sainsburys have said they do not intend to build any more large stores, what is not clear about that ? They aint interested ffs. UTG But we have a water tight contract with Sainsbury, they will pay us much wonga just to go away
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 30, 2014 15:13:57 GMT
You may be right. It just seems to me that he looks worse if he tells us all that it will be ok and then we're left with nothing. Major egg-on-face time for him in that case, I'd have thought. Not sure NH will stay as Chairman, or the fans will let him, if the UWE staduim doesn't go ahead, unless he manages to deliver promotion, or at least a Wembley appearance this seaosn?
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Post by daniel300380 on Sept 30, 2014 15:20:59 GMT
Nick Higgs just needs to man up and say, he is not able to deliver the new stadium; then we could all move on. The bloke does not even turn up every week to watch the matches. Sainsburys have said they do not intend to build any more large stores, what is not clear about that ? They aint interested ffs. UTG But we have a water tight contract with Sainsbury, they will pay us much wonga just to go away I thought they said they were going to build less, not no new stores. If planning goes our way and the contract is water tight then if they are still going to build some you would have thought this would be one of them.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 30, 2014 15:26:58 GMT
But we have a water tight contract with Sainsbury, they will pay us much wonga just to go away I thought they said they were going to build less, not no new stores. If planning goes our way and the contract is water tight then if they are still going to build some you would have thought this would be one of them. and to think if Sainsbury have to buy the mem but don't build a new store and not demolish the stadium, they will have to pay the FULL business rate on it....
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Post by RD on Sept 30, 2014 15:42:14 GMT
Unless I've missed something, I'm pretty sure Sainsbury's HAVE to pay us the money if the extra delivery orders are approved.
Therefore it doesn't matter one iota whether or not Sainsbury's still want the land/store - it's theirs; end of.
They're hiding behind the delivery hours as a way out. Therefore, if that restriction is actually overturned, we'll have fulfilled our end of the contract and Sainsbury's then own the land.
That was my understanding anyway.
Therefore the new information Henbury Gas has passed on is certainly cause for huge optimism IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 18:04:36 GMT
There are numerous reported cases where two former business partners have fallen out and it's then led to court action. It seems if BRFC can overcome the delivery times issue the club probably have binding contracts with Sainsbury's, if they don't pay up then there is always the possibilty the club could also sue for loss of profits etc from the UWE project if it can't go ahead plus the £30m+ Sainsbury's agreed to pay the club for the Mem. I'm sure the UWE stadium in its current format will not be built The purpose of the writ is to force Sainsbury to pay for any potential profit lost due to their continued no purchase of the Mem, the longer they drag it on the more it will cost them. If UWE pull the plug on the stadium due to Sainsbury dragging it out that will be seen as lost profit and they will be liable for that as well. It all hinges on the application for revised hours be approved of course ! it was a master stroke by Mr Higgs to get the writ in place so it forces Sainsbury hand to not drag it out ! Henbury, I could hug you mate. The whole point I was trying to make is that UWE will not be built but it seems there are still some in denial on that. Your post is precisely what I believe will happen but I'll reserve comment on this master stroke business. We will just have to wait and see.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 18:10:15 GMT
Prob ain't gonna happen but oh well hardly the end of the world is it. Its all about perception. And, dependent on how old you are, on how much more disillusionment and hopes being dashed one can take. We've been led a merry dance and people like Dave Thomas and Angela were "given" 5 yr season tickets for a stadium that will not be built as a thank you for their hard work on petitions. It's a pretty disgraceful way to treat your most loyal of fans.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Sept 30, 2014 18:20:36 GMT
Prob ain't gonna happen but oh well hardly the end of the world is it. Its all about perception. And, dependent on how old you are, on how much more disillusionment and hopes being dashed one can take. We've been led a merry dance and people like Dave Thomas and Angela were "given" 5 yr season tickets for a stadium that will not be built as a thank you for their hard work on petitions. It's a pretty disgraceful way to treat your most loyal of fans. Do you honestly think they were given 5 year season tickets knowing full well the stadium wouldn't happen? Our board aren't great but I think that's a bit far fetched tbh.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 18:32:24 GMT
You do realise that we are still trying to get the stadium kp? Its sainsburys pulling out. Disgraceful on our part? How do you figure that one out?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 18:42:23 GMT
You do realise that we are still trying to get the stadium kp? Its sainsburys pulling out. Disgraceful on our part? How do you figure that one out? By viewing the timeline which is backed up by the writ By listening to the various interviews and comments by Mr Higgs and by knowing he has form on this. The last one with Geoff Twentyman most telling. By hearing , via the Twitter feed, the answers he gave at the Q&A It's not rocket science.
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Post by aghast on Sept 30, 2014 19:02:59 GMT
You do realise that we are still trying to get the stadium kp? Its sainsburys pulling out. Disgraceful on our part? How do you figure that one out? By viewing the timeline which is backed up by the writ By listening to the various interviews and comments by Mr Higgs and by knowing he has form on this. The last one with Geoff Twentyman most telling. By hearing , via the Twitter feed, the answers he gave at the Q&A It's not rocket science. Quite right, KP. Timeline of events was summarised in the Post - see below. If anybody reading this still thinks that the UWE is going to happen, can I interest you in some Nigerian bank accounts? It's all about suing Sainsbury's now. First the writ to get the planning appeal going, and if that is successful, then the big litigation for compensation for their refusal to go ahead with a project which will have passed all legal, planning and contractual conditions. Or so BRFC will claim. The stadium plans as they once were are dead in the water. What we might be able to build, and where, depends on what we manage to extract from Sainsbury's team of steely-eyed lawyers. www.bristolpost.co.uk/events-unfolded/story-22818770-detail/story.html
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 19:08:17 GMT
I don't think its gonna happen. I just find it typical who gets the blame for it.
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Post by aghast on Sept 30, 2014 19:13:11 GMT
I don't think its gonna happen. I just find it typical who gets the blame for it. I'm not blaming NH here Ras. He has been shafted by the supermarket. We should have drawn up a tighter contract though, which didn't allow the "onerous condition" get out of jail clauses. Hindsight of course. Perhaps we should sue our lawyers who approved the contract?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 19:21:58 GMT
I don't think its gonna happen. I just find it typical who gets the blame for it. I'm not blaming NH here Ras. He has been shafted by the supermarket. We should have drawn up a tighter contract though, which didn't allow the "onerous condition" get out of jail clauses. Hindsight of course. Perhaps we should sue our lawyers who approved the contract? According to Ware and Jelf they have already threatened to do that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 19:43:29 GMT
I'm not blaming NH here Ras. He has been shafted by the supermarket. We should have drawn up a tighter contract though, which didn't allow the "onerous condition" get out of jail clauses. Hindsight of course. Perhaps we should sue our lawyers who approved the contract? According to Ware and Jelf they have already threatened to do that. Oh boy, That is precious. We are a bloody laughing stock. So far out list of litigants is Wycombe, Sainsbury's and maybe our own lawyers ( one of which is Ed Ware's Mrs.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 30, 2014 20:46:06 GMT
Lets get this Straight - if Sainsbury loose they pay us the full value of the contract - its in the contract - simple
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2014 20:48:18 GMT
Lets get this Straight - if Sainsbury loose they pay us the full value of the contract - its in the contract - simple That's not the hymn sheet that Ware and Jelf are singing from.
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