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Post by newmarketgas on Apr 27, 2018 13:30:16 GMT
Is that really a fair comparison? I don't personally know anyone who condones rape and I suspect nearly the whole population of this country would give a rapist a good hiding if they got their hands on him or her. Any person who flaunts their sexuality, be it a homosexual or a woman displaying a lot of flesh do not deserve to be physically attacked. You should also add that no white teenager deserves to be gang raped , or does that not suit the agenda ? |
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Post by inee on Apr 27, 2018 13:31:37 GMT
Interesting that a thread about diversity and welcoming all turns into a thread for jokes about being gay... perhaps a valid reason why LGBT+ people feel unwelcome attaching themselves to a football club. I volunteer for a suicide charity and it is amazing in what we call an enlightened so called educated society that people who don't fit the White English heterosexual standard (I am White English heterosexual) are subject to abuse and intolerance. Many young gay people still find it difficult to come out to friends, family, work colleagues etc. And I have spoken to a middle age man (can't provide details because of confidentiality but he wasn't Gas) and he has been a football fan for years and wouldn't dream of telling his fellow fans he is gay because they are the ones who tell jokes about gays, shout 'poof' and 'gayboy' at footballers as if it's an insult or something to be ashamed of. Perhaps some people are offended about others being gay and as some adamantly say above 'It's my right!!'. I've met plenty of bigoted people who shout about their rights in church, the workplace and on the terraces. I would be glad if the day would hasten when no one notices race, gender, sexual orientation and it wasn't a problem. But as can be seen above that day is a long way off yet.....this is what i've been saying in this and other threads ,integrate not segregate ,however some feel the need to make people stand out by creating groups ,and think if you have a different skin colour then you are of a different race when we eat shi t n pish the same , i just can't understand how putting labels on people and creating groups is the way forward, When it just tends to undo the work that been done already |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 13:34:09 GMT
Any person who flaunts their sexuality, be it a homosexual or a woman displaying a lot of flesh do not deserve to be physically attacked. Hugo. I didn't say they did. I wasn't making any reference to homosexuality - I was merely commenting on the reference to rape. Homosexuals get raped as well. But the other poster was implying that homosexuals would be safe as long as they didnt flaunt it. Just like people have said about rape victims historically and sadly sometimes still do. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 27, 2018 13:38:32 GMT
Any person who flaunts their sexuality, be it a homosexual or a woman displaying a lot of flesh do not deserve to be physically attacked. You should also add that no white teenager deserves to be gang raped , or does that not suit the agenda ? No one deserves to be raped. I was answering a specific point, I'm long past agendas. I did not mention skin colour. Why did you? |
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Post by axegas on Apr 27, 2018 13:43:00 GMT
This threads just going round in circles now, I’m sure most of this was discussed 3 pages ago and in recently locked threads.
Inee does have a fair point about integration but I disagree that these kind of groups segregate gasheads, on the contrary they provide valuable support for sections of our fanbase. Would you be able to recognise members of such groups on the terraces? Probably not.
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Post by newmarketgas on Apr 27, 2018 13:43:07 GMT
You should also add that no white teenager deserves to be gang raped , or does that not suit the agenda ? No one deserves to be raped. I was answering a specific point, I'm long past agendas. I did not mention skin colour. Why did you? Gang rape of teenagers seems to be a white girl diversity men issue, so using skin colour seemed to be the correct choice. I might be wrong, please correct me if so. |
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Post by oldgas on Apr 27, 2018 13:43:10 GMT
Is that really a fair comparison? I don't personally know anyone who condones rape and I suspect nearly the whole population of this country would give a rapist a good hiding if they got their hands on him or her. Any person who flaunts their sexuality, be it a homosexual or a woman displaying a lot of flesh do not deserve to be physically attacked. Well let me tell you Hugo, I've lost count of the number of times, whilst provocatively dressed, I've hung around groups of drunken women in town hoping to get raped. It hasn't happened, not once. I'll have to stop taking Henbury with me, I don't suppose that helps. (For those who aren't quite sure, that was written in jest) |
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Post by inee on Apr 27, 2018 13:43:28 GMT
I think what some people like about match days and football crowds is that its a bit like the old england they remember and loved. The one where there were just white british people mostly and homophobia was just the norm along with open racism in society in general. So when "kick it out" or "call it out" are pro-active in football those people feel threatened and try to come up with any number of contrived reasons why its actually a terrible idea. 2 But we all know the real reasons for there objections dont we? Disclaimer....this is a general observation as other posts of mine on similar subjects have been and is not aimed at any forum members in particular. 1 what i and others like about matchday is watching our team and having a good laugh with people regardless of anything 2 yup because people like yourself feel the need to draw everyone's attention to people who are different from yourself rather than let them get on with it ,i posted a link to a tv show that questions your claim about people not attending matches all it will achieve is people saying to others oh your groups over there go n join em ,rather than chewing the cud with them ,again people like yourself need to understand the difference between the word racism and religion ,until you and others can do that thing will remain the same |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 27, 2018 13:43:55 GMT
Hugo. I didn't say they did. I wasn't making any reference to homosexuality - I was merely commenting on the reference to rape. Homosexuals get raped as well. But the other poster was implying that homosexuals would be safe as long as they didnt flaunt it. Just like people have said about rape victims historically and sadly sometimes still do. If I kiss my wife in the street no one cares. If my mate kisses his husband in the street he is flaunting his gayness in people's faces. Trololol |
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Post by countygroundhotel on Apr 27, 2018 13:44:48 GMT
Interesting that a thread about diversity and welcoming all turns into a thread for jokes about being gay... perhaps a valid reason why LGBT+ people feel unwelcome attaching themselves to a football club. I volunteer for a suicide charity and it is amazing in what we call an enlightened so called educated society that people who don't fit the White English heterosexual standard (I am White English heterosexual) are subject to abuse and intolerance. Many young gay people still find it difficult to come out to friends, family, work colleagues etc. And I have spoken to a middle age man (can't provide details because of confidentiality but he wasn't Gas) and he has been a football fan for years and wouldn't dream of telling his fellow fans he is gay because they are the ones who tell jokes about gays, shout 'poof' and 'gayboy' at footballers as if it's an insult or something to be ashamed of. Perhaps some people are offended about others being gay and as some adamantly say above 'It's my right!!'. I've met plenty of bigoted people who shout about their rights in church, the workplace and on the terraces. I would be glad if the day would hasten when no one notices race, gender, sexual orientation and it wasn't a problem. But as can be seen above that day is a long way off yet..... All reasonable points but as a football crowd we always have done and still do take mickey out of fat or bald or ginger or long haired players and I can look around any crowd at a football match and see people in the crowd matching those stereotypes in abundance. Should they feel threatened by that abuse or jokes? Mixing in and being part of a crowd means by its nature that will happen. Interview with an ex player about racism the other day forget is name John (?) played for Newcastle and Liverpool I think. When he first went on England duty he was roomed with a black player, again forget the name. Straightway the black player took the water out of him being small but was hurt when the water was taken out of him for being black. The only moral u could take was that it was okay to take the water if it suits you but not if your offended |
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Post by oldgas on Apr 27, 2018 13:44:58 GMT
This thread has yet again descended into one huge facepalm. Really concerned with the rising anti-LGBT sentiment on this forum, over the last week particularly. I specifically think the moderators need to address some of the innuendo used (taking it certain ways and e45 cream for soreness etc). Any member of the LGBT community coming on here to read what people have to say would be mortified. Why on earth in 2018 can people still not be accommodating to all? If a section of the LGBT community would like to come together to attend matches with like minded people, in unity and comfort, how does that affect you? Same goes for those of you who had issues with the Bangla Bantams on another thread. I apologise unreservedly to any member of the LGBT reading this thread. Rant over. UTG The crappy jokes are are feeble minded posters attempts to ridicule a subject that they are unable to argue against in an articulate way. When they make jokes or try to argue seriously they expose their prejudice to everone. Then when their called out they scream blue murder and outrage. Recent threads on here have proved just why we need "kick it out" and "call it out" And you, my friend, need to get over yourself. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 27, 2018 13:46:12 GMT
No one deserves to be raped. I was answering a specific point, I'm long past agendas. I did not mention skin colour. Why did you? Gang rape of teenagers seems to be a white girl diversity men issue, so using skin colour seemed to be the correct choice. I might be wrong, please correct me if so. Gang rape isn't solely constrained to white teenagers. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 27, 2018 13:51:08 GMT
This threads just going round in circles now, I’m sure most of this was discussed 3 pages ago and in recently locked threads. Inee does have a fair point about integration but I disagree that these kind of groups segregate gasheads, on the contrary they provide valuable support for sections of our fanbase. Would you be able to recognise members of such groups on the terraces? Probably not. I think the setting up of groups can help integration too if done right. I think that at the moment special interest groups are a necessary evil that help achieve the desired goal of diversity. Ignoring the fact that some see them as divisive would be churlish, but it's just a broken egg to make the omelette in my opinion. |
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Post by newmarketgas on Apr 27, 2018 13:53:25 GMT
Gang rape of teenagers seems to be a white girl diversity men issue, so using skin colour seemed to be the correct choice. I might be wrong, please correct me if so. Gang rape isn't solely constrained to white teenagers. No, you really are rather obtuse in that answer but for the sake of the forum I will leave it at that. Maybe other folk with a huge agenda might feel for the good of the forum they might let these things lie a little, but I doubt they will as they are always right ! |
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Post by inee on Apr 27, 2018 13:59:19 GMT
This thread has yet again descended into one huge facepalm. Really concerned with the rising anti-LGBT sentiment on this forum, over the last week particularly. I specifically think the moderators need to address some of the innuendo used (taking it certain ways and e45 cream for soreness etc). Any member of the LGBT community coming on here to read what people have to say would be mortified. Why on earth in 2018 can people still not be accommodating to all? If a section of the LGBT community would like to come together to attend matches with like minded people, in unity and comfort, how does that affect you? Same goes for those of you who had issues with the Bangla Bantams on another thread. I apologise unreservedly to any member of the LGBT reading this thread. Rant over. UTG interesting points but i didn't realise you spoke on behalf of every member of the lbgt community as that's a pretty bold claim, the question is why cant people just integrate rather than say oh look in gay ,i don't give a stuff about whose shagging who ,if someone want to chat on the terraces that's fine if they don't then f**k em ,not because they are gay or whatever ,just because they are miserable lady gardens. What i don't understand is you have offended no one on this thread so why do you feel the need to apologise for something you haven't done strange |
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Post by tommym9 on Apr 27, 2018 14:15:04 GMT
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Post by midlandgas213 on Apr 27, 2018 14:15:40 GMT
What do you want a rainbow one For f**k's sake Midland. Don't bite. He's relentless when he gets someone hooked on one of his wind ups. Woof woof |
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Post by midlandgas213 on Apr 27, 2018 14:37:27 GMT
Wife had a look I'm straight |
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Post by midlandgas213 on Apr 27, 2018 14:38:55 GMT
Gang rape isn't solely constrained to white teenagers. No, you really are rather obtuse in that answer but for the sake of the forum I will leave it at that. Maybe other folk with a huge agenda might feel for the good of the forum they might let these things lie a little, but I doubt they will as they are always right ! It's called a debate and it is about opinions whichever way you swing so let it be if you don't like it don't read it and don't join in bye bye |
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Post by newmarketgas on Apr 27, 2018 14:43:30 GMT
No, you really are rather obtuse in that answer but for the sake of the forum I will leave it at that. Maybe other folk with a huge agenda might feel for the good of the forum they might let these things lie a little, but I doubt they will as they are always right ! It's called a debate and it is about opinions whichever way you swing so let it be if you don't like it don't read it and don't join in bye bye Whoosh. |
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