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Post by pirate49 on May 5, 2018 20:39:20 GMT
With us ending up 13th in League 1 it's interesting to see what's happened to our 'fellow travellers' of recent seasons.
Relegated with us to the Conference: Torquay, now on their way to Conference South Promoted with us into League 2: Barnet, now on their way back to the Conference Promoted with us to League 1: Northampton, now on their way back to League 2 AFC Wimbledon - 18th Oxford - 16th
Not so bad then...............
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Post by warehamgas on May 6, 2018 3:05:46 GMT
With us although lots don’t like the “evolution not revolution” mantra it does mean we improve gradually which we have and some of those haven’t. Some might want it to be quicker but perhaps we’re doing it gradually because we don’t have loads of money. And of course the ground will remain the elephant in the room as we point at ways we are improving. As you say pirate49, those you’ve highlighted have been our rivals in the last 6 years. I’m happy with this evolution but I can also remember when Bournemouth, Swansea, Brighton and Reading were our rivals. UTG!
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Post by Topper Gas on May 6, 2018 9:06:53 GMT
With us ending up 13th in League 1 it's interesting to see what's happened to our 'fellow travellers' of recent seasons. Relegated with us to the Conference: Torquay, now on their way to Conference South Promoted with us into League 2: Barnet, now on their way back to the Conference Promoted with us to League 1: Northampton, now on their way back to League 2 AFC Wimbledon - 18th Oxford - 16th Not so bad then............... Then again Plymouth and Pompey only came up last season and have both finished higher than us this season. The task for the ALQ's is make sure we don't become the next Northampton or MK Dons, as they both show how easy it is to get relegated out of this division.
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Post by Qatar Gas on May 6, 2018 9:58:20 GMT
I would love to see how we compare to the other teams who have achieved double promotion over the last decade or so. I cant imagine many of them lasted more than two seasons before going back down again.
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Post by markczgas on May 6, 2018 10:48:28 GMT
With us ending up 13th in League 1 it's interesting to see what's happened to our 'fellow travellers' of recent seasons. Relegated with us to the Conference: Torquay, now on their way to Conference South Promoted with us into League 2: Barnet, now on their way back to the Conference Promoted with us to League 1: Northampton, now on their way back to League 2 AFC Wimbledon - 18th Oxford - 16th Not so bad then............... Then again Plymouth and Pompey only came up last season and have both finished higher than us this season. The task for the ALQ's is make sure we don't become the next Northampton or MK Dons, as they both show how easy it is to get relegated out of this division. and Blackpool with all their troubles.
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Post by peterhooper57 on May 6, 2018 10:55:35 GMT
With us ending up 13th in League 1 it's interesting to see what's happened to our 'fellow travellers' of recent seasons. Relegated with us to the Conference: Torquay, now on their way to Conference South Promoted with us into League 2: Barnet, now on their way back to the Conference Promoted with us to League 1: Northampton, now on their way back to League 2 AFC Wimbledon - 18th Oxford - 16th Not so bad then............... Personally feel BRFC are now at a cross roads, and for the club to kick on and not go backwards, Waq and Nani need to give D.C. money to bring in 5 or 6 quality players to help achieve his ambitions of getting the club into the championship. If the money is not provided l fear we could be fighting relegation next term.
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Post by South Stand Ultra on May 6, 2018 10:59:50 GMT
With us ending up 13th in League 1 it's interesting to see what's happened to our 'fellow travellers' of recent seasons. Relegated with us to the Conference: Torquay, now on their way to Conference South Promoted with us into League 2: Barnet, now on their way back to the Conference Promoted with us to League 1: Northampton, now on their way back to League 2 AFC Wimbledon - 18th Oxford - 16th Not so bad then............... Personally feel BRFC are now at a cross roads, and for the club to kick on and not go backwards, Waq and Nani need to give D.C. money to bring in 5 or 6 quality players to help achieve his ambitions of getting the club into the championship. If the money is not provided l fear we could be fighting relegation next term. Whats the point though of giving him money to get to the championship if were just gunna come straight back down? IMO it's just pointless, I'd rather be where we are now, treading water in league 1, than getting stuffed week in, week out in the championship.
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Post by warehamgas on May 6, 2018 12:35:00 GMT
SSU, are you saying we shouldn’t aspire to the Championship or that we shouldn’t throw money at getting there? You’ve got to want to get there surely, you’ve got to try and recruit well so that in August we can all hope we are going to have a great season. We might just fail but we want to be competing in the top half. If we had a team that got there, presumably it would be on merit then why should we get stuffed week in, week out? We might lose a few but if we were good enough to get promotion then I’m sure we would be good enough to last a few seasons in the Championship and this time we might even invest to do so. All clubs need to do that, to aspire to improve within their means. Only time will tell but I hope we recruit 3/4 good players who will be team members not just squad players and give us a chance to seriously compete in the top half. We might fail but I hope we get those few players. I do hope we don’t “throw money” at it and have whole sale changes because we know where that can lead. Probably the wrong thing to say but I understand the “evolution not revolution” idea understanding of course the need for a new ground. UTG!
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Post by South Stand Ultra on May 6, 2018 12:44:21 GMT
SSU, are you saying we shouldn’t aspire to the Championship or that we shouldn’t throw money at getting there? You’ve got to want to get there surely, you’ve got to try and recruit well so that in August we can all hope we are going to have a great season. We might just fail but we want to be competing in the top half. If we had a team that got there, presumably it would be on merit then why should we get stuffed week in, week out? We might lose a few but if we were good enough to get promotion then I’m sure we would be good enough to last a few seasons in the Championship and this time we might even invest to do so. All clubs need to do that, to aspire to improve within their means. Only time will tell but I hope we recruit 3/4 good players who will be team members not just squad players and give us a chance to seriously compete in the top half. We might fail but I hope we get those few players. I do hope we don’t “throw money” at it and have whole sale changes because we know where that can lead. Probably the wrong thing to say but I understand the “evolution not revolution” idea understanding of course the need for a new ground. UTG! Ofcourse we should aspire to be in the championship, with a decent team, ground & money to go with it. But IMO as we are now, in the ground we are in now, with the money being/not being spent, we would be nailed on for relegation. I'm just saying, I'd rather be where we are now(until some real investment comes) than going up and losing most weeks, and come straight back down.
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Post by Henbury Gas on May 6, 2018 15:04:13 GMT
SSU, are you saying we shouldn’t aspire to the Championship or that we shouldn’t throw money at getting there? You’ve got to want to get there surely, you’ve got to try and recruit well so that in August we can all hope we are going to have a great season. We might just fail but we want to be competing in the top half. If we had a team that got there, presumably it would be on merit then why should we get stuffed week in, week out? We might lose a few but if we were good enough to get promotion then I’m sure we would be good enough to last a few seasons in the Championship and this time we might even invest to do so. All clubs need to do that, to aspire to improve within their means. Only time will tell but I hope we recruit 3/4 good players who will be team members not just squad players and give us a chance to seriously compete in the top half. We might fail but I hope we get those few players. I do hope we don’t “throw money” at it and have whole sale changes because we know where that can lead. Probably the wrong thing to say but I understand the “evolution not revolution” idea understanding of course the need for a new ground. UTG! Ofcourse we should aspire to be in the championship, with a decent team, ground & money to go with it. But IMO as we are now, in the ground we are in now, with the money being/not being spent, we would be nailed on for relegation.I'm just saying, I'd rather be where we are now(until some real investment comes) than going up and losing most weeks, and come straight back down. But £10m richer
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Post by lpgas on May 6, 2018 16:31:22 GMT
You need a £5 million bond if you go up to the Championship. "Ouch" says Hani
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on May 6, 2018 17:03:04 GMT
I would love to see how we compare to the other teams who have achieved double promotion over the last decade or so. I cant imagine many of them lasted more than two seasons before going back down again. The only team in recent years to do exactly what we did is Carlisle United. They were relegated out of the football league in 2003/04 and then achieved back to back promotions up to league 1. In their first season in league 1 they came 8th, so not dissimilar to us last season. They did better than us in their second season though, coming 4th and losing in the play-offs. That was their peak, though they did spend a further 6 seasons in league 1 before being relegated in 2013/14. Now they are mid table league 2 with average attendances of around 5K.
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Post by warehamgas on May 7, 2018 4:43:09 GMT
SSU, are you saying we shouldn’t aspire to the Championship or that we shouldn’t throw money at getting there? You’ve got to want to get there surely, you’ve got to try and recruit well so that in August we can all hope we are going to have a great season. We might just fail but we want to be competing in the top half. If we had a team that got there, presumably it would be on merit then why should we get stuffed week in, week out? We might lose a few but if we were good enough to get promotion then I’m sure we would be good enough to last a few seasons in the Championship and this time we might even invest to do so. All clubs need to do that, to aspire to improve within their means. Only time will tell but I hope we recruit 3/4 good players who will be team members not just squad players and give us a chance to seriously compete in the top half. We might fail but I hope we get those few players. I do hope we don’t “throw money” at it and have whole sale changes because we know where that can lead. Probably the wrong thing to say but I understand the “evolution not revolution” idea understanding of course the need for a new ground. UTG! Ofcourse we should aspire to be in the championship, with a decent team, ground & money to go with it. But IMO as we are now, in the ground we are in now, with the money being/not being spent, we would be nailed on for relegation. I'm just saying, I'd rather be where we are now(until some real investment comes) than going up and losing most weeks, and come straight back down.No easy answer is there but if we get 3/4 players who improve the team and put in a good season and got promoted I suspect our present infrastructure would still not be good enough and we’d still be at the Mem but you wouldn’t turn down promotion would you. All you can ever do is improve your own team within your own means and if you (or any team) get promotion you just have to hope you can compete at the higher level. If you get relegated then you go again, it’s all you can do. I doubt if Rovers have ever been really ready for promotion but that’s the way it is. We could be waiting years for any “real investment” to come along, whatever real investment is. Of course I’d like to see more money available to DC but do I want us to be like the other lot south of the river and just waste millions, no I’d rather support a more responsible club who try to spend within their means. (And yes I know we’re probably not doing that at the moment with our annual loss) But I do want us to be competing and perhaps we could do well. ps I don’t think we’re really disagreeing because I hope I understand the point you’re making. UTG!
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Post by northoftheriver on May 8, 2018 16:09:28 GMT
Personally feel BRFC are now at a cross roads, and for the club to kick on and not go backwards, Waq and Nani need to give D.C. money to bring in 5 or 6 quality players to help achieve his ambitions of getting the club into the championship. If the money is not provided l fear we could be fighting relegation next term. Whats the point though of giving him money to get to the championship if were just gunna come straight back down? IMO it's just pointless, I'd rather be where we are now, treading water in league 1, than getting stuffed week in, week out in the championship. Millwall done okay this season, got into playoffs last day of the season as we know ad just added a few players (no week in week out stuffing ??) - if you're good enough to go up, your generally good enough to compete... but way to stay positive and the moment you try to tread water is usually the point you go down.
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Post by pirate49 on May 8, 2018 16:23:28 GMT
Whats the point though of giving him money to get to the championship if were just gunna come straight back down? IMO it's just pointless, I'd rather be where we are now, treading water in league 1, than getting stuffed week in, week out in the championship. Millwall done okay this season............ I read an article recently in which Neil Harris said he had a bottom 6 budget; and I believe Chris Wilder at Sheffield United has said the same.
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Post by CrispPusher on May 8, 2018 16:43:40 GMT
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Post by northoftheriver on May 9, 2018 10:10:57 GMT
Did not talk about wage budget. Said, if you go up you can compete with the team you.
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Post by peterhooper57 on May 9, 2018 10:17:43 GMT
You need a £5 million bond if you go up to the Championship. "Ouch" says Hani The Bond would be paid for in the form of an annual premium and as an revenue expenditure / over head which is not likely to break the bank.
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Post by lpgas on May 9, 2018 17:36:24 GMT
With us ending up 13th in League 1 it's interesting to see what's happened to our 'fellow travellers' of recent seasons. Relegated with us to the Conference: Torquay, now on their way to Conference South Promoted with us into League 2: Barnet, now on their way back to the Conference Promoted with us to League 1: Northampton, now on their way back to League 2 AFC Wimbledon - 18th Oxford - 16th Not so bad then............... Then again Plymouth and Pompey only came up last season and have both finished higher than us this season. The task for the ALQ's is make sure we don't become the next Northampton or MK Dons, as they both show how easy it is to get relegated out of this division. No the task is to get in to the Championship and stay there in a new ground, sadly probably not in my lifetime
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Post by mehewmagic on May 10, 2018 15:39:31 GMT
You need a £5 million bond if you go up to the Championship. "Ouch" says Hani But you get over £5m a season from EFL, plus TV money, just for being in the championship (finishing any position). Lge 1 is little over £1m.
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