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Post by Okebournegas on Jul 29, 2018 11:39:22 GMT
Wankers are crawling out the woodwork if this is true, not saying I disbelieve these racist comments , but across social media , I have not seen anything to back up these claims. Does anyone have any proof of said racist comments?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 11:57:18 GMT
This idiot or idiots being gasheads or otherwise will be found out and dealt with accordingly I hope. Why would they be “otherwise” and not Rovers? You can’t rule out anyone including gasheads
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 12:08:05 GMT
I have seen on another Forum that our Owner has in the last 24hrs received messages of abuse, some of a racial nature. Does anyone know if this is true, if it is I don't have the words to express my disgust. Whilst we are all passionate about our club and I include Wael in that it is totally inexcusable for some of our so called fans to behave this way. If this is correct perhaps we should message our support to the Owner to redress the balance. What forum is this on? Have looked on the independent forum and can not see it there.
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Post by Okebournegas on Jul 29, 2018 12:20:24 GMT
I have seen on another Forum that our Owner has in the last 24hrs received messages of abuse, some of a racial nature. Does anyone know if this is true, if it is I don't have the words to express my disgust. Whilst we are all passionate about our club and I include Wael in that it is totally inexcusable for some of our so called fans to behave this way. If this is correct perhaps we should message our support to the Owner to redress the balance. What forum is this on? Have looked on the independent forum and can not see it there. Same here , I’ve had a snoop around and can’t find anything , hopefully somebody is just trying to sh** stir for a bit more added drama.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 12:25:03 GMT
Embarrassing but I suppose this is just one idiot? Be done with them and that's that. At the same time, I won't be showing Al-Qadi's any support until they pull their finger out. Think they've had enough loving from us, time to come up with the goods. Yeah they're only watering 1 million a year on us. I want them to water away even more. I want it. I want. I want them to do what I want. Why won't they do what I want. Now. Want, me, Now! Do what I want!!! It is what that money is being spent on that I'm sure bothers people most. Most football fans want to see their money go back into the team and if that happens then I'm sure they would reluctantly accept season ticket hikes and rip off prices for catering facilities etc. However what we are seeing is a CEO, head of recruitment, head of marketing, external programme producer, office in london etc etc all being brought in, admin costs now running into the millions and no significant investment in actually scoring goals on the playing side nor any substantive plans to build anything. Why is there this need for so much middle management when in terms of facilities we don't have the revenue streams to support both that and the playing side. For a short period of time it looked like DS was going to bear most of the cost of the increased spending but the price hikes coupled with the Ellis money not likely to result in a 'big name' striker suggest that it is the fans who are going to be funding this explosion in middle management when that money would be better spent on the team. If they aren't bank rolling the club then surely the office in London has to go ASAP- recouping the cost of that alone would buy us a 250k striker.
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Post by 1986gas on Jul 29, 2018 12:29:53 GMT
I paid £2 for a cup of coffee yesterday actually after standing in the queue for 15 mins. Someone clearly can't read. Where is the money for Ellis, Bodin and Gaffney going though while you're at it?! do apologize about my error on the tea and coffee issue I was more refering to the comment that this is beginning to "stink" The issue is someone has to pay for success and unless the accounts show money is being inappropriately taken from the company I'm happy for the owners at present, to manage the business side of the club. The moaning on here is beginning to sound like handout Britain. I want a great NHs but it's going to cost. I want a great Rovers but it's going to cost. Great post. In the eyes of many, throwing large sums of money and gambling at hoping to win promotion are far more important than building the financial stability of a football club, fortunately plenty of Gasheads understand that signing big cheques does not guarantee success, and how many clubs have signed a 'marquee signing' who has upset the rest of the squad being on double/triple the wages and hasn't delivered. I still shudder at the likes of Mickey Evans, David Hillier and co, some people will never accept that football and the Rovers is a loss making business and always has been. The shouts of I want, I want, I want rarely subside whether they have forked out a whopping £2 on a cup of tea to subsidise a top striker or not!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 12:35:19 GMT
do apologize about my error on the tea and coffee issue I was more refering to the comment that this is beginning to "stink" The issue is someone has to pay for success and unless the accounts show money is being inappropriately taken from the company I'm happy for the owners at present, to manage the business side of the club. The moaning on here is beginning to sound like handout Britain. I want a great NHs but it's going to cost. I want a great Rovers but it's going to cost. Great post. In the eyes of many, throwing large sums of money and gambling at hoping to win promotion are far more important than building the financial stability of a football club, fortunately plenty of Gasheads understand that signing big cheques does not guarantee success, and how many clubs have signed a 'marquee signing' who has upset the rest of the squad being on double/triple the wages and hasn't delivered. I still shudder at the likes of Mickey Evans, David Hillier and co, some people will never accept that football and the Rovers is a loss making business and always has been. The shouts of I want, I want, I want rarely subside whether they have forked out a whopping £2 on a cup of tea to subsidise a top striker or not! That doesn't mean the club is prudent with it's money though- according to the accounts we are still haemorrhaging money just not in areas where it counts most: the team and the stadium. What would you rather have: an office in London or a new striker?
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Post by 1986gas on Jul 29, 2018 12:35:21 GMT
Yeah they're only watering 1 million a year on us. I want them to water away even more. I want it. I want. I want them to do what I want. Why won't they do what I want. Now. Want, me, Now! Do what I want!!! It is what that money is being spent on that I'm sure bothers people most. Most football fans want to see their money go back into the team and if that happens then I'm sure they would reluctantly accept season ticket hikes and rip off prices for catering facilities etc. However what we are seeing is a CEO, head of recruitment, head of marketing, external programme producer, office in london etc etc all being brought in, admin costs now running into the millions and no significant investment in actually scoring goals on the playing side nor any substantive plans to build anything. Why is there this need for so much middle management when in terms of facilities we don't have the revenue streams to support both that and the playing side. For a short period of time it looked like DS was going to bear most of the cost of the increased spending but the price hikes coupled with the Ellis money not likely to result in a 'big name' striker suggest that it is the fans who are going to be funding this explosion in middle management when that money would be better spent on the team. If they aren't bank rolling the club then surely the office in London has to go ASAP- recouping the cost of that alone would buy us a 250k striker. Can't disagree with the middle management comment, happy to see the structure being built that is looking after the players though and think that in the early seasons of a new owner that structure is adhered to first, which WAQ has done and IMO done well. The more people who are employed who are not directly looking after the playing staff the more the theory touted a while back of WAQ preparing the club for a bigger owner/investor makes more sense in the grand scheme of things.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 12:41:23 GMT
I saw somebody on Twitter refer to him as "the fake sheikh" - not sure if that's what is being referred to. I'm a social media stalker, and haven't noticed anything else.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 12:43:58 GMT
It is what that money is being spent on that I'm sure bothers people most. Most football fans want to see their money go back into the team and if that happens then I'm sure they would reluctantly accept season ticket hikes and rip off prices for catering facilities etc. However what we are seeing is a CEO, head of recruitment, head of marketing, external programme producer, office in london etc etc all being brought in, admin costs now running into the millions and no significant investment in actually scoring goals on the playing side nor any substantive plans to build anything. Why is there this need for so much middle management when in terms of facilities we don't have the revenue streams to support both that and the playing side. For a short period of time it looked like DS was going to bear most of the cost of the increased spending but the price hikes coupled with the Ellis money not likely to result in a 'big name' striker suggest that it is the fans who are going to be funding this explosion in middle management when that money would be better spent on the team. If they aren't bank rolling the club then surely the office in London has to go ASAP- recouping the cost of that alone would buy us a 250k striker. Can't disagree with the middle management comment, happy to see the structure being built that is looking after the players though and think that in the early seasons of a new owner that structure is adhered to first, which WAQ has done and IMO done well. The more people who are employed who are not directly looking after the playing staff the more the theory touted a while back of WAQ preparing the club for a bigger owner/investor makes more sense in the grand scheme of things. Interesting point about encouraging outside investment. The problem with that approach, as always, is that if you try and stand still on the playing side to put all your resources into the HR infrastructure behind the scenes then what product do you have to offer investors if your team has a bad season and gets relegated? Let's hope Wael isn't asking himself that question at the end of this one!
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 29, 2018 12:47:51 GMT
Yeah they're only watering 1 million a year on us. I want them to water away even more. I want it. I want. I want them to do what I want. Why won't they do what I want. Now. Want, me, Now! Do what I want!!! It is what that money is being spent on that I'm sure bothers people most. Most football fans want to see their money go back into the team and if that happens then I'm sure they would reluctantly accept season ticket hikes and rip off prices for catering facilities etc. However what we are seeing is a CEO, head of recruitment, head of marketing, external programme producer, office in london etc etc all being brought in, admin costs now running into the millions and no significant investment in actually scoring goals on the playing side nor any substantive plans to build anything. Why is there this need for so much middle management when in terms of facilities we don't have the revenue streams to support both that and the playing side. For a short period of time it looked like DS was going to bear most of the cost of the increased spending but the price hikes coupled with the Ellis money not likely to result in a 'big name' striker suggest that it is the fans who are going to be funding this explosion in middle management when that money would be better spent on the team. If they aren't bank rolling the club then surely the office in London has to go ASAP- recouping the cost of that alone would buy us a 250k striker. Would it be better spent on a team though, as there's little point in achieving promotion if we haven't got the management structure in place to survive in the Championship? Plus someone as to get to grips with sorting out the training ground and new stadium, as neither Wael or SH have the necessary experience. The office in London seems a waste but we don't really know the base cost nor thinking behind having such an office.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Jul 29, 2018 13:19:11 GMT
Funny that NH & co didn't have as many people against them as there are the AQ family despite the AQ family probably having done more for us in just two years.
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Post by 1986gas on Jul 29, 2018 13:25:13 GMT
Can't disagree with the middle management comment, happy to see the structure being built that is looking after the players though and think that in the early seasons of a new owner that structure is adhered to first, which WAQ has done and IMO done well. The more people who are employed who are not directly looking after the playing staff the more the theory touted a while back of WAQ preparing the club for a bigger owner/investor makes more sense in the grand scheme of things. Interesting point about encouraging outside investment. The problem with that approach, as always, is that if you try and stand still on the playing side to put all your resources into the HR infrastructure behind the scenes then what product do you have to offer investors if your team has a bad season and gets relegated? Let's hope Wael isn't asking himself that question at the end of this one! I'm sure there was quite a lot of talk when WAQ joined that Prince Ali Bin Hussein may be part of or enter the frame at some stage, they are certainly connected via the Jordanian FA, so i'm not saying that WAQ is seeking investment, more a case of laying the ground works if you like in preparation for bigger things, it's difficult to see sense in building the club from the bottom upwards in terms of staff structure for anything than financial expansion IMO. As someone else has pointed out, were appearing a little top heavy staff wise now if the plan is merely to add a few temporary structures and sit still as a club, I don't think having aspirations for promotion is realistic seeing where we are at the moment stadium/colony wise and I would think this will be the next big focus now staff are in place, and as you point out we need to have a product to offer, not so much for the investor(s) but the fans who are the lifeblood of the FC.
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Post by darkbluegas on Jul 29, 2018 13:29:01 GMT
Great post. In the eyes of many, throwing large sums of money and gambling at hoping to win promotion are far more important than building the financial stability of a football club, fortunately plenty of Gasheads understand that signing big cheques does not guarantee success, and how many clubs have signed a 'marquee signing' who has upset the rest of the squad being on double/triple the wages and hasn't delivered. I still shudder at the likes of Mickey Evans, David Hillier and co, some people will never accept that football and the Rovers is a loss making business and always has been. The shouts of I want, I want, I want rarely subside whether they have forked out a whopping £2 on a cup of tea to subsidise a top striker or not! That doesn't mean the club is prudent with it's money though- according to the accounts we are still haemorrhaging money just not in areas where it counts most: the team and the stadium. What would you rather have: an office in London or a new striker? I'm not sure we're haemorrhaging money. I do believe money is being spent to improve the match day experience, improve the squad and improve the quality of staff that can generate income for the club. I think the debt is now structured in line with our assets and income. In the past we've wasted money on the Wonga loan which was unsustainable. As for the London office we don't know how it's being used but if the staff there are working towards long term investment and income streams for the club then I'd probably go for that rather than a short term signing of a striker. The current owners are applying business principles to the club and it's the only way to establish a long term future for the club. The painful part for us fans is we don't know what is going on, on a daily basis. It is frustrating and I'd love success this season as much as anyone but I'd also be very happy with a long term sustainable club. I think we do though need clear quidence from our owners as to to where we are heading in terms of stadium and football targets. Hopefully we will hear that soon.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Jul 29, 2018 13:37:33 GMT
So they have to pay out from their personal finances but you won't pay £2 for a cup of tea.... priceless I paid £2 for a cup of coffee yesterday actually after standing in the queue for 15 mins. Someone clearly can't read. Where is the money for Ellis, Bodin and Gaffney going though while you're at it?! Why don't ya give it till the end of the transfer window before having a moan about it? We literally paid a fee the other day.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 29, 2018 13:42:22 GMT
Funny that NH & co didn't have as many people against them as there are the AQ family despite the AQ family probably having done more for us in just two years. You are joking right? Nick Higgs and co got no end of stick too. In fact I personally gave Higgs and co more stick than Al Qadi's.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 29, 2018 13:43:12 GMT
I paid £2 for a cup of coffee yesterday actually after standing in the queue for 15 mins. Someone clearly can't read. Where is the money for Ellis, Bodin and Gaffney going though while you're at it?! Why don't ya give it till the end of the transfer window before having a moan about it? We literally paid a fee the other day. All I'm saying is DC better be backed or there will be trouble.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 13:49:21 GMT
I saw somebody on Twitter refer to him as "the fake sheikh" - not sure if that's what is being referred to. I'm a social media stalker, and haven't noticed anything else. Some people have short memories, and should be careful what they wish for. Thanks for that Tilly. "The fake sheikh" comment was on this forum a few months ago from memory. As another poster said they can not find anything about it in the latest posts on the other forum. Probably as has been said someone trying to stir up trouble and claiming racist comments have been made. UTG!
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 29, 2018 13:53:55 GMT
I saw somebody on Twitter refer to him as "the fake sheikh" - not sure if that's what is being referred to. I'm a social media stalker, and haven't noticed anything else. Some people have short memories, and should be careful what they wish for. Thanks for that Tilly. "The fake sheikh" comment was on this forum a few months ago from memory. As another poster said they can not find anything about it in the latest posts on the other forum. Probably as has been said someone trying to stir up trouble and claiming racist comments have been made. UTG! Good chance Bideford. If there was racism then it's out of order but every village has their idiot. What we don't want to happen is to deflect away from the focus on Al Qadi's. Get your wallets out get your wallets out.
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Post by matealotblue on Jul 29, 2018 13:56:28 GMT
So guess it’s over to the OP to clarify........
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