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Post by jaggas on Jan 21, 2019 11:00:01 GMT
Meanwhile Julian Dunkerton the founder of tat clothing company Superdry who donated £1m to the peoples vote campaign in August has issued a profits warning as the the price of the company's share price has slumped by 75%.....Karma does work as people have boycotted buying Superdry products.
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Post by jaggas on Jan 21, 2019 11:06:48 GMT
According to yougov poll only 8% want a second referendum.Hardly a ringing endorsement for a typical EU tactic when people vote against them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 11:13:23 GMT
That's a straw man argument. One that undermines our democracy. Like America we have a representative democracy, where are areas are split and represented. A referendum is not like that (and why its a foolish thing to do). Taking your argument, you could reverse it. In which case Trump lost against Clinton, and we probably would have a one party state in the UK. Happy with that? What absolute nonsense. They are facts that are undeniable. You keep on harping about facts, and the lack of them from either side. Why is it nonsense? It's true we have a representative democracy? Yes/ No? It's true this works by splitting the country into areas? Yes/No? It's true that Trump lost the popular vote? Yes/No? So, you cannot hold a referendum with a victory by a simple majority, win it or lose it, and then translate that result back into the system of split by areas representation. It's totally misleading. It is the role of MPs to represent their whole constituency, it's the basic principle of our democracy. Given the closeness of the simple national majority vote, it is hardly surprising then that in doing this, representing their whole constituency (whose views may not be fixed, and change with time), that they are conflicted. Which is why the decision to put the question to a referendum was stupid, given its long lasting affect and it's importance, within the context of a representative democracy. Finally, given the FACT that we are a representative democracy, could you explain why the one party that has advocated leaving the EU for a couple of decades, UKIP, has never won any seat, not one, eff all, in any election to Parliament?. Multiple opportunities to do so, never have.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 11:15:39 GMT
Meanwhile Julian Dunkerton the founder of tat clothing company Superdry who donated £1m to the peoples vote campaign in August has issued a profits warning as the the price of the company's share price has slumped by 75%.....Karma does work as people have boycotted buying Superdry products. Have you read "Alice in Wonderland"?
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Post by peterparker on Jan 21, 2019 11:16:13 GMT
Meanwhile Julian Dunkerton the founder of tat clothing company Superdry who donated £1m to the peoples vote campaign in August has issued a profits warning as the the price of the company's share price has slumped by 75%.....Karma does work as people have boycotted buying Superdry products. That's great news apart from
The first problem is that profit margins keep falling. The group’s sales actually rose by 3.1% to £414.6m during the half-year period, but underlying profits fell by 49% to just £12.9m. The group’s underlying operating margin during the half year was just 3.6%, down from 6.7% during the same period last year.
Why are margins falling? The firm talked today about “a weakening, discount-driven consumer economy”. But it also looks like costs are rising. The half-year accounts show an extra £15.8m of operating costs during the period.
Stores vs online
Mr Sutherland said that most of these extra costs related to logistics and store openings. This leads me to another concern.
The number of stores operated or franchised by the firm has risen by 15% to 695 over the last year. In contrast, the percentage of sales generated online rose by just 1.7% over the same period, to 26.9%. That doesn’t seem very high to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 11:24:56 GMT
Meanwhile Julian Dunkerton the founder of tat clothing company Superdry who donated £1m to the peoples vote campaign in August has issued a profits warning as the the price of the company's share price has slumped by 75%.....Karma does work as people have boycotted buying Superdry products. That's great news apart from
The first problem is that profit margins keep falling. The group’s sales actually rose by 3.1% to £414.6m during the half-year period, but underlying profits fell by 49% to just £12.9m. The group’s underlying operating margin during the half year was just 3.6%, down from 6.7% during the same period last year.
Why are margins falling? The firm talked today about “a weakening, discount-driven consumer economy”. But it also looks like costs are rising. The half-year accounts show an extra £15.8m of operating costs during the period.
Stores vs online
Mr Sutherland said that most of these extra costs related to logistics and store openings. This leads me to another concern.
The number of stores operated or franchised by the firm has risen by 15% to 695 over the last year. In contrast, the percentage of sales generated online rose by just 1.7% over the same period, to 26.9%. That doesn’t seem very high to me.
🤣🤣🤣 Simon Stop, I am laughing to hard. Like a lot of Leavers, pick a headline and translate into "people taking action" Completely made up. If I was a Leaver on here I would be embarrassed and disassociate myself from this, ummm, "person".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 11:25:45 GMT
What absolute nonsense. They are facts that are undeniable. You keep on harping about facts, and the lack of them from either side. Why is it nonsense? It's true we have a representative democracy? Yes/ No? It's true this works by splitting the country into areas? Yes/No? It's true that Trump lost the popular vote? Yes/No? So, you cannot hold a referendum with a victory by a simple majority, win it or lose it, and then translate that result back into the system of split by areas representation. It's totally misleading. It is the role of MPs to represent their whole constituency, it's the basic principle of our democracy. Given the closeness of the simple national majority vote, it is hardly surprising then that in doing this, representing their whole constituency (whose views may not be fixed, and change with time), that they are conflicted. Which is why the decision to put the question to a referendum was stupid, given its long lasting affect and it's importance, within the context of a representative democracy. Finally, given the FACT that we are a representative democracy, could you explain why the one party that has advocated leaving the EU for a couple of decades, UKIP, has never won any seat, not one, eff all, in any election to Parliament?. Multiple opportunities to do so, never have.That's an easy one to answer. UKIP never won any seats because of the voting system. They actually got more votes collectively than the SNP, who got 52 (?) seats at that time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 12:01:26 GMT
67 days to Independence Day. 36 days when Parliament is in session.
Tick tock tick tock.......
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 13:07:07 GMT
Why is it nonsense? It's true we have a representative democracy? Yes/ No? It's true this works by splitting the country into areas? Yes/No? It's true that Trump lost the popular vote? Yes/No? So, you cannot hold a referendum with a victory by a simple majority, win it or lose it, and then translate that result back into the system of split by areas representation. It's totally misleading. It is the role of MPs to represent their whole constituency, it's the basic principle of our democracy. Given the closeness of the simple national majority vote, it is hardly surprising then that in doing this, representing their whole constituency (whose views may not be fixed, and change with time), that they are conflicted. Which is why the decision to put the question to a referendum was stupid, given its long lasting affect and it's importance, within the context of a representative democracy. Finally, given the FACT that we are a representative democracy, could you explain why the one party that has advocated leaving the EU for a couple of decades, UKIP, has never won any seat, not one, eff all, in any election to Parliament?. Multiple opportunities to do so, never have.That's an easy one to answer. UKIP never won any seats because of the voting system. They actually got more votes collectively than the SNP, who got 52 (?) seats at that time. It might surprise you when I say I agree with you, to a degree. Of course the comparison with the SNP is disingenuous as the SNP are mainly a regional, single issue Party. But I do think the first past the post method is past its sell by date. A form of PR or Alternative Vote is more appropriate. This would have given Leavers more representation (rightly so) in Parliament, amongst others. Two Party politics based upon old class and other old allegiances is dead and it's about time we evolved
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 13:08:43 GMT
67 days to Independence Day. 36 days when Parliament is in session. Tick tock tick tock....... 67 days to economic meltdown and business disruption. Leavers won't say this, but people ACTUALLY running business do.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 13:17:24 GMT
67 days to Independence Day. 36 days when Parliament is in session. Tick tock tick tock....... 67 days to economic meltdown and business disruption. Leavers won't say this, but people ACTUALLY running business do. The guy who runs JCB doesn't agree with you.....In fact, this is from the Guardian and lists some very prominent business leaders who back Brexit. Business leaders back BrexitIs a Clean Brexit just the modern day Millenium Bug? Remember that? Planes were going to fall out of the sky, computers world-wide were going to crash bringing civilization to an end, tranis would stop, traffic lights would fail, the list was endless.........and just what did happen at Midnight? Nowt, nothing, zilch.
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Post by peterparker on Jan 21, 2019 13:19:01 GMT
According to yougov poll only 8% want a second referendum.Hardly a ringing endorsement for a typical EU tactic when people vote against them. ah a poll. like this one
A poll by ICM conducted after last week’s government defeat asked voters what should happen next.
The most popular option, backed by 28% of voters, was a no-deal Brexit. Demonstrating the divide in public opinion, the next most popular option, supported by 24% of the public, is to start the process of holding a second referendum.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 13:21:14 GMT
That's an easy one to answer. UKIP never won any seats because of the voting system. They actually got more votes collectively than the SNP, who got 52 (?) seats at that time. It might surprise you when I say I agree with you, to a degree. Of course the comparison with the SNP is disingenuous as the SNP are mainly a regional, single issue Party. But I do think the first past the post method is past its sell by date. A form of PR or Alternative Vote is more appropriate. This would have given Leavers more representation (rightly so) in Parliament, amongst others. Two Party politics based upon old class and other old allegiances is dead and it's about time we evolved Um...err....there was a Referendum on AV in 2011. The vote was 68% v 32% to keep the current system. As your opinion lost the first vote, should we have another vote? It should not matter if 'Leavers' have a bigger representation in Parliament. The people have spoken in the real People's Vote in 2016. They voted Leave. It is the duty of Parliament to carry out the wishes of the electorate.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 13:22:33 GMT
According to yougov poll only 8% want a second referendum.Hardly a ringing endorsement for a typical EU tactic when people vote against them. ah a poll. like this one
A poll by ICM conducted after last week’s government defeat asked voters what should happen next.
The most popular option, backed by 28% of voters, was a no-deal Brexit. Demonstrating the divide in public opinion, the next most popular option, supported by 24% of the public, is to start the process of holding a second referendum.
Sorry, but polls are just complete nonsense. The whole polling industry has been proven to be useless over the last ten years. The only 'poll' that should matter was taken in 2016. It was called a National Referendum.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 14:58:42 GMT
67 days to economic meltdown and business disruption. Leavers won't say this, but people ACTUALLY running business do. The guy who runs JCB doesn't agree with you.....In fact, this is from the Guardian and lists some very prominent business leaders who back Brexit. Business leaders back BrexitIs a Clean Brexit just the modern day Millenium Bug? Remember that? Planes were going to fall out of the sky, computers world-wide were going to crash bringing civilization to an end, tranis would stop, traffic lights would fail, the list was endless.........and just what did happen at Midnight? Nowt, nothing, zilch. Ha ha, the Millenium Bug, one of the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated. On your list, Bamford is to be admired for what he has built, as is the case with Dyson and Martin. I don't agree with their singular view based upon their personal experience of off shore manufacturing (Dyson) for example. But hey, great businesses none the less. Wolfson, a lot of time for his views as I believe Next imports the majority of its clothing. It's still a small number really. In comparison.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 15:03:28 GMT
The guy who runs JCB doesn't agree with you.....In fact, this is from the Guardian and lists some very prominent business leaders who back Brexit. Business leaders back BrexitIs a Clean Brexit just the modern day Millenium Bug? Remember that? Planes were going to fall out of the sky, computers world-wide were going to crash bringing civilization to an end, tranis would stop, traffic lights would fail, the list was endless.........and just what did happen at Midnight? Nowt, nothing, zilch. Ha ha, the Millenium Bug, one of the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated. On your list, Bamford is to be admired for what he has built, as is the case with Dyson and Martin. I don't agree with their singular view based upon their personal experience of off shore manufacturing (Dyson) for example. But hey, great businesses none the less. Wolfson, a lot of time for his views as I believe Next imports the majority of its clothing. It's still a small number really. In comparison. Well, is your prediction of economic collapse with a Clean Brexit just the latest version of the Millenium Bug?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 15:05:37 GMT
It might surprise you when I say I agree with you, to a degree. Of course the comparison with the SNP is disingenuous as the SNP are mainly a regional, single issue Party. But I do think the first past the post method is past its sell by date. A form of PR or Alternative Vote is more appropriate. This would have given Leavers more representation (rightly so) in Parliament, amongst others. Two Party politics based upon old class and other old allegiances is dead and it's about time we evolved Um...err....there was a Referendum on AV in 2011. The vote was 68% v 32% to keep the current system. As your opinion lost the first vote, should we have another vote? It should not matter if 'Leavers' have a bigger representation in Parliament. The people have spoken in the real People's Vote in 2016. They voted Leave. It is the duty of Parliament to carry out the wishes of the electorate. That's only the case if you don't accept representative democracy, an issue which you stubbornly refuse to accept. I put it to you (for the last time) that to take a single issue, one badly concieved, badly run and with a binary question, and suggest over riding the expressed will of a representative Parliament is a dark road to go down. You cannot run roughshod in this way over the views of 48% when (potentially) it cannot be undone.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 15:08:43 GMT
Ha ha, the Millenium Bug, one of the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated. On your list, Bamford is to be admired for what he has built, as is the case with Dyson and Martin. I don't agree with their singular view based upon their personal experience of off shore manufacturing (Dyson) for example. But hey, great businesses none the less. Wolfson, a lot of time for his views as I believe Next imports the majority of its clothing. It's still a small number really. In comparison. Well, is your prediction of economic collapse with a Clean Brexit just the latest version of the Millenium Bug? I guess we might (hopefully not) find out over the coming months. Btw, I would not predict economic collapse, more rising inflation, rising unemployment, and a decline in public services. You know, the sort of slow grind stuff that hurts average income people the most.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 15:12:29 GMT
I do accept Representative Democracy, but what we are witnessing is a direct corruption of that by Parliament! If Labour win the next election by a 52% 48% split, which incidentally would give them a landslide win, do you think they will give a toss about the 48%? I don't think they will. The referendum was an in/out vote. I cannot remember any half in/half out options. I am certain there wasn't a 'pretend to leave' option, and BRINO was never a choice either.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 15:14:55 GMT
Well, is your prediction of economic collapse with a Clean Brexit just the latest version of the Millenium Bug? I guess we might (hopefully not) find out over the coming months. Btw, I would not predict economic collapse, more rising inflation, rising unemployment, and a decline in public services. You know, the sort of slow grind stuff that hurts average income people the most. Ah, as was predicted the day after if a Leave vote won.....that sort of economic collapse. Hope you've stocked up on the insecticide to cope with the plague of locusts!
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