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Post by peterparker on Apr 11, 2019 8:03:51 GMT
this brightned the morning somewhat If neither a desirable or deliverable brexit is achievable and we remain that is a democratic disaster for this country. What we are effectively doing is enabling the EU to make an exit as difficult as possible achieving their aim of retaining one of its biggest cash contributors - we are effectively being held to ransom unless we show the balls to leave with a so called "hard brexit". We aren't being held to ransom.
We asked for the extension. If we want to leave with No deal we can.
The EU want to move on as much as we do, they can't plan much with the uncertainty of the UK leaving or not
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 8:21:56 GMT
Is this one of you lot?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 8:24:36 GMT
If neither a desirable or deliverable brexit is achievable and we remain that is a democratic disaster for this country. What we are effectively doing is enabling the EU to make an exit as difficult as possible achieving their aim of retaining one of its biggest cash contributors - we are effectively being held to ransom unless we show the balls to leave with a so called "hard brexit". We aren't being held to ransom.
We asked for the extension. If we want to leave with No deal we can.
The EU want to move on as much as we do, they can't plan much with the uncertainty of the UK leaving or not
May & Parliament asked for the extension. If May & Parliament wants to leave with No Deal we can !
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 8:31:32 GMT
If neither a desirable or deliverable brexit is achievable and we remain that is a democratic disaster for this country. What we are effectively doing is enabling the EU to make an exit as difficult as possible achieving their aim of retaining one of its biggest cash contributors - we are effectively being held to ransom unless we show the balls to leave with a so called "hard brexit". We aren't being held to ransom.
We asked for the extension. If we want to leave with No deal we can.
The EU want to move on as much as we do, they can't plan much with the uncertainty of the UK leaving or not
It's not the extension that is a problem for me. It's that we either have to leave with a rubbish deal (whether that's May being a useless negotiator, the EU trying to force us to remain by only agreeing to a rubbish deal or a combination of both) or no deal, neither of which ever seem likely to be agreed upon in parliament effectively tying us to the EU forever. If if we do end up remaining I wonder whether the EU will feel it necessary to make proper provision for a member state wishing to leave in future allowing it to be less prolonged and cleaner cut? They were too arrogant to ever foresee anyone would want to leave.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 8:56:43 GMT
I think the game is playing out just as the EU wished. They have succeeded in making Brexit look very difficult. One the one hand, if Parliament agree to the terrible WA, then the UK will be permanently under the control of the EU, and the UK will be broken up with losing Northern Ireland and Scotland. High fives all round in Brussels. On the other hand, if the WA doesn't get agreed then eventually the EU will kick the UK out. Not the best option for the EU, but it will raise their standing around the world. Both options send a strong message to any other country thinking about leaving the EU. I don't think the EU want the UK to remain in the EU as full-members as there is now always the possibility of a Brexiteer PM deciding to take the UK out again sometime in the future. Brexit will always be hovering over the EU's heads! Around the world the UK's reputation is taking a right hammering.
"If if we do end up remaining I wonder whether the EU will feel it necessary to make proper provision for a member state wishing to leave in future allowing it to be less prolonged and cleaner cut? They were too arrogant to ever foresee anyone would want to leave. " - Quite the opposite I think. They will tighten up Article 50 to ensure it is almost impossible for a country to leave.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 9:10:43 GMT
I think the game is playing out just as the EU wished. They have succeeded in making Brexit look very difficult. One the one hand, if Parliament agree to the terrible WA, then the UK will be permanently under the control of the EU, and the UK will be broken up with losing Northern Ireland and Scotland. High fives all round in Brussels. On the other hand, if the WA doesn't get agreed then eventually the EU will kick the UK out. Not the best option for the EU, but it will raise their standing around the world. Both options send a strong message to any other country thinking about leaving the EU. I don't think the EU want the UK to remain in the EU as full-members as there is now always the possibility of a Brexiteer PM deciding to take the UK out again sometime in the future. Brexit will always be hovering over the EU's heads! Around the world the UK's reputation is taking a right hammering. "If if we do end up remaining I wonder whether the EU will feel it necessary to make proper provision for a member state wishing to leave in future allowing it to be less prolonged and cleaner cut? They were too arrogant to ever foresee anyone would want to leave. " - Quite the opposite I think. They will tighten up Article 50 to ensure it is almost impossible for a country to leave. I get the principle of the EU maybe wanting to show who is boss and turf us out to send a message, might be easier to do for a smaller state who is a net taker rather than a net contributor but would they really want to lose the UK and its financial input?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 9:26:19 GMT
I think the game is playing out just as the EU wished. They have succeeded in making Brexit look very difficult. One the one hand, if Parliament agree to the terrible WA, then the UK will be permanently under the control of the EU, and the UK will be broken up with losing Northern Ireland and Scotland. High fives all round in Brussels. On the other hand, if the WA doesn't get agreed then eventually the EU will kick the UK out. Not the best option for the EU, but it will raise their standing around the world. Both options send a strong message to any other country thinking about leaving the EU. I don't think the EU want the UK to remain in the EU as full-members as there is now always the possibility of a Brexiteer PM deciding to take the UK out again sometime in the future. Brexit will always be hovering over the EU's heads! Around the world the UK's reputation is taking a right hammering. "If if we do end up remaining I wonder whether the EU will feel it necessary to make proper provision for a member state wishing to leave in future allowing it to be less prolonged and cleaner cut? They were too arrogant to ever foresee anyone would want to leave. " - Quite the opposite I think. They will tighten up Article 50 to ensure it is almost impossible for a country to leave. I get the principle of the EU maybe wanting to show who is boss and turf us out to send a message, might be easier to do for a smaller state who is a net taker rather than a net contributor but would they really want to lose the UK and its financial input? I think they will string this out as long as they can as long as there is still a chance the WA could be ratified in the HoC. The one thing nobody has mentioned is just how much this extension is costing the British taxpayer. Apparently, it's somewhere between one and two billion a month ! So, at this moment, the EU are still getting their money.
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Post by aghast on Apr 11, 2019 17:35:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 18:06:16 GMT
I hope May doesn't offer taxpayer cash to Macron to rebuild Notre Dam. Seeing all the crying Parisians did make we wonder why they were so upset when their yellow vesters have spent the last six months trying to set fire to their city.
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Apr 16, 2019 19:53:31 GMT
Is this one of you lot? That's oldie on his way down the shops.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 20:03:55 GMT
So, Nissan today announced 600 jobs going at two plants in Spain.....not a peep in the MSM.
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Post by William Wilson on Apr 17, 2019 7:01:00 GMT
Is this one of you lot? That's oldie on his way down the shops. Oldie on his way down the shops? Are you quite mad? Oldie doesn`t do shopping. His comestibles are delivered by a young Polish lad, working for peanuts. Helps keep his cost of living down. Why do you think he`s so desperate for us to remain in the EU?
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Post by peterparker on Apr 17, 2019 7:09:38 GMT
So, Nissan today announced 600 jobs going at two plants in Spain.....not a peep in the MSM. 600 jobs yes but
Japan’s second largest car manufacturer has announced plans to invest €70 million in the centre to build a new paint plant, which is expected to guarantee the factories future. It’s expected that current levels of manufacture will continue, with 60,000 vehicles a year being produced at the site.
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Post by aghast on Apr 18, 2019 21:25:09 GMT
Why did all the remainers on this thread suddenly Brexit it?
It's died a death.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 5:48:45 GMT
Why did all the remainers on this thread suddenly Brexit it? It's died a death. Probably all glued to the Tarmac in London with the hordes of rent a protestors 😮
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Post by William Wilson on Apr 20, 2019 6:26:03 GMT
Why did all the remainers on this thread suddenly Brexit it? It's died a death. Probably all glued to the Tarmac in London with the hordes of rent a protestors 😮 It`s just a shame the tarmac melted in the heat, and ruined their protest.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2019 22:14:14 GMT
Why did all the remainers on this thread suddenly Brexit it? It's died a death. Because it is no longer about Brexit. If you voted remain, you lost. If you voted leave, you lost. The battle now is to repair democracy.
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Post by baggins on Apr 24, 2019 12:43:30 GMT
Why did all the remainers on this thread suddenly Brexit it? It's died a death. Because it is no longer about Brexit. If you voted remain, you lost. If you voted leave, you lost. The battle now is to repair democracy. May as well not bothered with the vote then.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2019 17:16:18 GMT
Labour have held marathon internal talks regarding their Manifesto for the EU elections. They, just like the Tories, just don't get it. They can put whatever they want in their manifesto's and nobody is going to believe a word they say ! I think in this week's local elections, the Tories will take a hammering. Labour will also, but not as bad as the Tories. No doubt Labour will claim this is a victory for them and so will carry on as usual. Not much can be taken from the local's though, as the Brexit Party are not involved. I also expect the turn-out to be very low.
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