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Post by Officer Barbrady on May 18, 2019 15:19:40 GMT
Very good 😀 I did wonder if it was too subtle. Less subtle from the Brexit Party At any cost. Where have I heard that before?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2019 16:02:14 GMT
It is just her personal words, not official Brexit Party policy. We must stop this nonsense of always thinking that the words of one person can be linked to everyone else. Isn't it time to move away from nonsense like this and be more adult about things? Didn't we learn anything in the last three years?
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Post by Officer Barbrady on May 18, 2019 16:20:20 GMT
It is just her personal words, not official Brexit Party policy. We must stop this nonsense of always thinking that the words of one person can be linked to everyone else. Isn't it time to move away from nonsense like this and be more adult about things? Didn't we learn anything in the last three years? Well obviously. Not least because they dont have any policies. But it is clear evidence of someone representing the largest leave party telling you what they expect the economic impact to be. Once, this sort of thing would have been said by a remainer, possibly an expert, and the response would have been 'project fear!' 'We won!' 'Get over it!'. Now even leavers are saying it. Whatever happened to project fear? Perhaps it's best we just sweep this one under the rug with the others.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2019 16:45:55 GMT
It is just her personal words, not official Brexit Party policy. We must stop this nonsense of always thinking that the words of one person can be linked to everyone else. Isn't it time to move away from nonsense like this and be more adult about things? Didn't we learn anything in the last three years? Well obviously. Not least because they dont have any policies. But it is clear evidence of someone representing the largest leave party telling you what they expect the economic impact to be. Once, this sort of thing would have been said by a remainer, possibly an expert, and the response would have been 'project fear!' 'We won!' 'Get over it!'. Now even leavers are saying it. Whatever happened to project fear? Perhaps it's best we just sweep this one under the rug with the others. At least it was a more optimistic view than Rees-Mogg who said it may take 50 years. Despite what Nobby says has anyone heard a coherent and quantified positive forecast for the economy by anyone in the Leave camp? Anyone?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2019 16:55:56 GMT
Well obviously. Not least because they dont have any policies. But it is clear evidence of someone representing the largest leave party telling you what they expect the economic impact to be. Once, this sort of thing would have been said by a remainer, possibly an expert, and the response would have been 'project fear!' 'We won!' 'Get over it!'. Now even leavers are saying it. Whatever happened to project fear? Perhaps it's best we just sweep this one under the rug with the others. At least it was a more optimistic view than Rees-Mogg who said it may take 50 years. Despite what Nobby says has anyone heard a coherent and quantified positive forecast for the economy by anyone in the Leave camp? Anyone? See Oldie, you are still doing it. JRM did not say what you are implying. You are just twisting words. As for Economic forecasts, if even the Treasury, BoE, CBI, IMF etc etc get it wrong, how do you expect anyone else to get it right?
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Post by peterparker on May 18, 2019 17:58:20 GMT
As a current sitting MEP, seeing as he has never left, should he not have to declare this?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2019 18:02:49 GMT
At least it was a more optimistic view than Rees-Mogg who said it may take 50 years. Despite what Nobby says has anyone heard a coherent and quantified positive forecast for the economy by anyone in the Leave camp? Anyone? See Oldie, you are still doing it. JRM did not say what you are implying. You are just twisting words. As for Economic forecasts, if even the Treasury, BoE, CBI, IMF etc etc get it wrong, how do you expect anyone else to get it right? He did...but mate, whatever. I, as a remainer, would vote for a positive economic outcome. Currently in the UK we have taken in 2M plus immigrants (regardless of from where), we have full employment. We have record numbers of people in some form of employment, or income earning. We attract great numbers in financial inward investment, we have a special education sector. Etc etc. All of this whilst we have been a member, a leading member, of the EU. As such an opportunity to exploit 27 EU economies and 60 signed trade deals in place. We leave, which we will, explain how we will better that. Do it, convince me, I would vote leave, despite the fact that I know I might well be voting for very nasty right wing loonies when it comes to social policy. You? Anyone?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 13:22:46 GMT
So, May is going to deliver a speech tonight and talk about her 'bold new deal'. In fact, not a single dot or comma has been changed in the WA, nowt.
here is an interesting bit:- "The "new deal" includes pledges on workers' rights, environmental protections and provisions in case the Irish border backstop arrangement is implemented, Downing Street said after the cabinet meeting."
Um...err...what? See the bold. Were we not told that the Backstop is just an insurance policy, and that neither side wanted it and it would never be implemented? Don't worry about it as it will never happen. So, just why do we have to have 'provisions' in case it's implemented?
It's just more lies.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 14:09:41 GMT
So, May is going to deliver a speech tonight and talk about her 'bold new deal'. In fact, not a single dot or comma has been changed in the WA, nowt. here is an interesting bit:- "The "new deal" includes pledges on workers' rights, environmental protections and provisions in case the Irish border backstop arrangement is implemented, Downing Street said after the cabinet meeting." Um...err...what? See the bold. Were we not told that the Backstop is just an insurance policy, and that neither side wanted it and it would never be implemented? Don't worry about it as it will never happen. So, just why do we have to have 'provisions' in case it's implemented? It's just more lies. Far easier to just revoke and cancel this circus
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 14:21:35 GMT
So, May is going to deliver a speech tonight and talk about her 'bold new deal'. In fact, not a single dot or comma has been changed in the WA, nowt. here is an interesting bit:- "The "new deal" includes pledges on workers' rights, environmental protections and provisions in case the Irish border backstop arrangement is implemented, Downing Street said after the cabinet meeting." Um...err...what? See the bold. Were we not told that the Backstop is just an insurance policy, and that neither side wanted it and it would never be implemented? Don't worry about it as it will never happen. So, just why do we have to have 'provisions' in case it's implemented? It's just more lies. Far easier to just revoke and cancel this circus Easy is just the cowards way out. Just because something is difficult it doesn't mean you shouldn't do it.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 14:33:21 GMT
Far easier to just revoke and cancel this circus Easy is just the cowards way out. Just because something is difficult it doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. Totally agree. Like telling the population the truth.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 14:42:51 GMT
Easy is just the cowards way out. Just because something is difficult it doesn't mean you shouldn't do it. Totally agree. Like telling the population the truth. Why don't we hear the truth about the EU? What is the future of the EU? Where is the 'project' heading?
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Post by Officer Barbrady on May 21, 2019 15:56:05 GMT
Totally agree. Like telling the population the truth. Why don't we hear the truth about the EU? What is the future of the EU? Where is the 'project' heading? here we go project fear again.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 16:02:41 GMT
Why don't we hear the truth about the EU? What is the future of the EU? Where is the 'project' heading? here we go project fear again. Go on then, just what is future direction of the EU? I'm asking. What are the implications of remaining?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 16:38:06 GMT
May's 'new bold deal' is dead before it even tries to get off the ground.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 7:15:55 GMT
I'm still waiting to hear the rational case for Remaining.
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Post by stuart1974 on May 22, 2019 7:38:52 GMT
I'm still waiting to hear the rational case for Remaining. Could say the same for leaving. Is there really any point spending time making a case as those who disagree won't be convinced. One depressing aspect to this whole saga is that the typical British compromise is dismissed and both sides are entrenched further.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 7:47:23 GMT
I'm still waiting to hear the rational case for Remaining. Could say the same for leaving. Is there really any point spending time making a case as those who disagree won't be convinced. One depressing aspect to this whole saga is that the typical British compromise is dismissed and both sides are entrenched further. There can be no compromise! The FPTP British political system ensures this. The winner takes it all. If Remain had won 52% v 48% do you think there would have been a single debate in the HoC as to what bits of the EU we would withdrawal from as a compromise to the 48%? It would never have happened would it. The point of the referendum was either 'in' or 'out' of the EU. To think there could be some form of hokey pokey partnership with the EU is just wrong.
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Post by stuart1974 on May 22, 2019 8:07:17 GMT
Could say the same for leaving. Is there really any point spending time making a case as those who disagree won't be convinced. One depressing aspect to this whole saga is that the typical British compromise is dismissed and both sides are entrenched further. There can be no compromise! The FPTP British political system ensures this. The winner takes it all. If Remain had won 52% v 48% do you think there would have been a single debate in the HoC as to what bits of the EU we would withdrawal from as a compromise to the 48%? It would never have happened would it. The point of the referendum was either 'in' or 'out' of the EU. To think there could be some form of hokey pokey partnership with the EU is just wrong. The hokey coaky partnership is what was promised by many on the leave side, including people like Gove, Raab, Hannan, Fox..... There is compromise, but only if people are willing to accommodate and give a bit.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 8:35:40 GMT
There can be no compromise! The FPTP British political system ensures this. The winner takes it all. If Remain had won 52% v 48% do you think there would have been a single debate in the HoC as to what bits of the EU we would withdrawal from as a compromise to the 48%? It would never have happened would it. The point of the referendum was either 'in' or 'out' of the EU. To think there could be some form of hokey pokey partnership with the EU is just wrong. The hokey coaky partnership is what was promised by many on the leave side, including people like Gove, Raab, Hannan, Fox..... There is compromise, but only if people are willing to accommodate and give a bit. Well, her WA is basically BRINO, yet the Extreme Remainers voted against it ! There cannot be a compromise.
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