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Post by Gas_Quarters on Aug 31, 2018 20:06:44 GMT
After 12 games last season Plymouth had 5 points. At the end of November, after 20 games, they were still bottom of the league with 17 points. They ended up finishing 7th place and only missed out on the playoffs due to losing their last two games.
We have started every season under DC poorly, and yet we’ve achieved 2 promotions and had a lowest finish under him last season of 13th. I think it’s a bit early to write DC and this team off yet.
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Post by richhertford on Aug 31, 2018 20:09:05 GMT
So with 3 hours before poll closes we can say that 14 % of our fans still think we can gain promotion. That would be one of happiest buses to be on right now. Here’s to a recovery to remember... How many of those voted in the first half of August Rich? I think you are stretching the word "still" there ….. But I agree it would be a happy bus.
Still chance to change vote.
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 31, 2018 20:31:43 GMT
After 12 games last season Plymouth had 5 points. At the end of November, after 20 games, they were still bottom of the league with 17 points. They ended up finishing 7th place and only missed out on the playoffs due to losing their last two games. We have started every season under DC poorly, and yet we’ve achieved 2 promotions and had a lowest finish under him last season of 13th. I think it’s a bit early to write DC and this team off yet. We had better players then. Taylor, Bodin, Harrison, Gaffney, Colkett, Sweeney, Lumley etc. This squad is far worse.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Aug 31, 2018 20:41:39 GMT
After 12 games last season Plymouth had 5 points. At the end of November, after 20 games, they were still bottom of the league with 17 points. They ended up finishing 7th place and only missed out on the playoffs due to losing their last two games. We have started every season under DC poorly, and yet we’ve achieved 2 promotions and had a lowest finish under him last season of 13th. I think it’s a bit early to write DC and this team off yet. We had better players then. Taylor, Bodin, Harrison, Gaffney, Colkett, Sweeney, Lumley etc. This squad is far worse. My point is that the same comments are made every year when we start poorly about us being sh** and not good enough. Then we’ll turn it around and have a good run and people will say we’re going up and we’ve got so many players we’d be lucky to keep hold of. Every team has good runs and bad runs at every level, and all those teams have fickle fans that get caught up and exaggerate how good or bad they are just due to form. I don’t think we’ve lost that much from the last couple of years to be in trouble. People are also forgetting that we’ve lost 4 games to the sides that are 1st, 3rd, 8th and 11th. I know that isn’t necessarily where they’ll finish but we haven’t lost to other sides that are struggling for form have we?
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Post by pucklegas on Aug 31, 2018 20:49:57 GMT
Think we will be lower half, as we concede too many and can’t see us scoring loads, then another re jig in close season.
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Post by mehewmagic on Aug 31, 2018 20:57:36 GMT
After 12 games last season Plymouth had 5 points. At the end of November, after 20 games, they were still bottom of the league with 17 points. They ended up finishing 7th place and only missed out on the playoffs due to losing their last two games. We have started every season under DC poorly, and yet we’ve achieved 2 promotions and had a lowest finish under him last season of 13th. I think it’s a bit early to write DC and this team off yet. I don't think too many people are writing the season / DC off. Using Ply last season is a very extreme example. There are many many more examples of starts like that continuing / execerbating / mgrs sacked etc. We didn't actually 'start' other seasons that badly - depends maybe on what people mean by 'start'. The very start tended to be questionable but by Xmas it was never that bad.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Aug 31, 2018 21:03:16 GMT
After 12 games last season Plymouth had 5 points. At the end of November, after 20 games, they were still bottom of the league with 17 points. They ended up finishing 7th place and only missed out on the playoffs due to losing their last two games. We have started every season under DC poorly, and yet we’ve achieved 2 promotions and had a lowest finish under him last season of 13th. I think it’s a bit early to write DC and this team off yet. I don't think too many people are writing the season / DC off. Using Ply last season is a very extreme example. There are many many more examples of starts like that continuing / execerbating / mgrs sacked etc. We didn't actually 'start' other seasons that badly - depends maybe on what people mean by 'start'. The very start tended to be questionable but by Xmas it was never that bad. It is an extreme example and of course we could go one way or the other from here. But we’re only five games in, in the four previous years under DC, I don’t think we’ve ever won more than 2 games have we? It is the norm for us to start badly. Although it’s normal and I understand why people are a little concerned and negative at this stage given how we’ve started poorly, I just think it’s a bit over the top.
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Post by socrates on Aug 31, 2018 21:04:17 GMT
From what I've seen, lower than mid table. Not a nice thought, in fact it's a scarey thought that we might be in a stay up battle all season. Christ, not again. I suppose when you look at our stadium our training facilities and our lower table budget it’s par for the course that sooner or later we’ll be involved in a relegation scrap. However I do think we’ve got a bloody good manager and I think we’ll stay up if he’s given a chance by the fans and the board.
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Post by Rod1883 on Aug 31, 2018 21:28:16 GMT
Can't defend, struggle to score. Not sure why anyone doesn't think we're in for a tough season.
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Post by aghast on Aug 31, 2018 21:50:37 GMT
We always come good by Christmas.
DC makes it happen, like Santa.
Not so sure this season though.
In recent years we have been either weak in defence or up front, but never the two together . At the moment we are weak in both.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Aug 31, 2018 22:04:07 GMT
After 12 games last season Plymouth had 5 points. At the end of November, after 20 games, they were still bottom of the league with 17 points. They ended up finishing 7th place and only missed out on the playoffs due to losing their last two games. We have started every season under DC poorly, and yet we’ve achieved 2 promotions and had a lowest finish under him last season of 13th. I think it’s a bit early to write DC and this team off yet. We had better players then. Taylor, Bodin, Harrison, Gaffney, Colkett, Sweeney, Lumley etc. This squad is far worse. Agree with all except Colkett.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2018 23:09:02 GMT
I think we have made some good signings and have some very good footballers at the club. A difficult start made harder by injuries and losing ellis late in the window has made it a tough task for the team to settle down. I think we will recover and easily get ourselves to a safe league position. I hope it happens soon enough for dc because if he gets sacked another manager will inherit a decent squad in my view and look like a saviour as we shoot up the league.
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Post by pirate on Aug 31, 2018 23:38:14 GMT
With the squad strengthening teams have done in this window compared to us, I'm really starting to worry. I'd be happy with just survival this season. Expectations successfully lowered.
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Post by Gasshole on Sept 1, 2018 0:47:10 GMT
Probably in Division 2
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Post by blueridge on Sept 1, 2018 4:52:31 GMT
We had better players then. Taylor, Bodin, Harrison, Gaffney, Colkett, Sweeney, Lumley etc. This squad is far worse. My point is that the same comments are made every year when we start poorly about us being sh** and not good enough. Then we’ll turn it around and have a good run and people will say we’re going up and we’ve got so many players we’d be lucky to keep hold of. Every team has good runs and bad runs at every level, and all those teams have fickle fans that get caught up and exaggerate how good or bad they are just due to form. I don’t think we’ve lost that much from the last couple of years to be in trouble. People are also forgetting that we’ve lost 4 games to the sides that are 1st, 3rd, 8th and 11th. I know that isn’t necessarily where they’ll finish but we haven’t lost to other sides that are struggling for form have we? Your optimism is good to hear but our home form effectively kept us in this division last season - we have now lost three homes games on the bounce with two of the performances being abysmal. I wish I could share your optimism but I'm afraid I fear the worst this season. Edit: we have only won one home league match out of the last ten played and that was against a relegated team - didn't realise it was as bad as that. Have to go back to February prior to that win, for our last home win. This is how bad it is.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 1, 2018 6:26:27 GMT
I think we have made some good signings and have some very good footballers at the club. A difficult start made harder by injuries and losing ellis late in the window has made it a tough task for the team to settle down. I think we will recover and easily get ourselves to a safe league position. I hope it happens soon enough for dc because if he gets sacked another manager will inherit a decent squad in my view and look like a saviour as we shoot up the league. I agree our squad is reasonably good, Darrell will probably turn it around but if he doesn't these players I believe will perform as well or ever better under another manager. Are you suggesting DC has lost the dressing room?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 7:00:56 GMT
My point is that the same comments are made every year when we start poorly about us being sh** and not good enough. Then we’ll turn it around and have a good run and people will say we’re going up and we’ve got so many players we’d be lucky to keep hold of. Every team has good runs and bad runs at every level, and all those teams have fickle fans that get caught up and exaggerate how good or bad they are just due to form. I don’t think we’ve lost that much from the last couple of years to be in trouble. People are also forgetting that we’ve lost 4 games to the sides that are 1st, 3rd, 8th and 11th. I know that isn’t necessarily where they’ll finish but we haven’t lost to other sides that are struggling for form have we? Your optimism is good to hear but our home form effectively kept us in this division last season - we have now lost three homes games on the bounce with two of the performances being abysmal. I wish I could share your optimism but I'm afraid I fear the worst this season. Edit: we have only won one home league match out of the last ten played and that was against a relegated team - didn't realise it was as bad as that. Have to go back to February prior to that win, for our last home win. This is how bad it is. Facts about our recent home form that a lot on here appear to have forgotten or prefer not to mention. Relegation form without a doubt.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Sept 1, 2018 8:44:45 GMT
I think we have made some good signings and have some very good footballers at the club. A difficult start made harder by injuries and losing ellis late in the window has made it a tough task for the team to settle down. I think we will recover and easily get ourselves to a safe league position. I hope it happens soon enough for dc because if he gets sacked another manager will inherit a decent squad in my view and look like a saviour as we shoot up the league. I agree our squad is reasonably good, Darrell will probably turn it around but if he doesn't these players I believe will perform as well or ever better under another manager. I just can’t agree with that last sentence. I think DC is one of the best around for getting the best out of his players. He has effectively achieved what he has with a squad of Conference/League Two players. Other than Craig who is probably past his prime and coming to the end of his career, he hasn’t signed any players from the Championship. Our three biggest losses, in terms of players, in the last couple of years were the snake, Bodin and Harrison. Look at where those players came from before DC got the best out of them and look at what they’ve achieved since, I know they’ve stepped up a league but you’d have expected at least one of the three to go on and impress in the Championship given their records for us in League One. I think anyone who is suggesting DC could be close to getting the boot from us needs to be careful what they wish for, you don’t realise what you’ve got til it’s gone.
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