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Post by curlywurly on Aug 30, 2018 11:32:03 GMT
Like a number of others, I think we needed to sit tight with Trollope and sacked him too early. Although we were just in the relagation zone when he was sacked in December 2010, the division was tight and there were a lot of teams on relatively similar points totals. Yeovil, for example were 6 point behind Rovers when Trolls was sacked, but went on to finish respectably mid table. Lennie Lawrence had been let go the previous summer and we lacked his guiding influence and, yes, there were a number of players that were below par, but I still believe we would have been better to hold on and let Trolls try to get us out of the situation. I'm not the only one who thought so: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/13524422 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 11:33:21 GMT
No historical comparison at all. The culture amongst playing staff - whatever results on the pitch - has been transformed by DC. Arguably, the trouble began with Trolls. Pretty weak argument that would be. Of course there is a historical comparison. Both managers hit the top half of League One and things deteriorated once they were forced to sell their prime asset(s) and rebuild. The one thing DC has done is to retain the core of the dressing room and evolve the squad slower, whereas PT made the mistake of letting experience depart. Like DC, he still did a terrific job however and some great memories came from his tenure. Time will tell whether DC is able to turn things around whilst preserving the culture. I for one fully support him and value the continuity he offers us. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 11:35:35 GMT
Like a number of others, I think we needed to sit tight with Trollope and sacked him too early. Although we were just in the relagation zone when he was sacked in December 2010, the division was tight and there were a lot of teams on relatively similar points totals. Yeovil, for example were 6 point behind Rovers when Trolls was sacked, but went on to finish respectably mid table. Lennie Lawrence had been let go the previous summer and we lacked his guiding influence and, yes, there were a number of players that were below par, but I still believe we would have been better to hold on and let Trolls try to get us out of the situation. I'm not the only one who thought so: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/13524422Absolutely. One of the catalogue of Higgs' errors. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Aug 30, 2018 11:39:33 GMT
All i would say is, what would DC do with the budget Lennie and Trolls had paying players upwards of £5k per week?
A lot more than Lennie and Trolls achieved I reckon. He already outdid what they both have with half the squad and budget.
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Post by neilv93 on Aug 30, 2018 11:57:10 GMT
Like a number of others, I think we needed to sit tight with Trollope and sacked him too early. Although we were just in the relagation zone when he was sacked in December 2010, the division was tight and there were a lot of teams on relatively similar points totals. Yeovil, for example were 6 point behind Rovers when Trolls was sacked, but went on to finish respectably mid table. Lennie Lawrence had been let go the previous summer and we lacked his guiding influence and, yes, there were a number of players that were below par, but I still believe we would have been better to hold on and let Trolls try to get us out of the situation. I'm not the only one who thought so: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/13524422Completely agree. I think we got 'too big for our boots' at the time. They were actually a good partnership and LL's over-riding influence was a lovely accompaniment for Trolls' obvious coaching ability - the fella has been a coach for Championship and PL (currently) clubs since, he's obviously talented at it. I think a lot of clubs, owners and fanbases see their team fall into a relegation battle, panic and hit the bloody panic button itself far too quickly. But FWIW, if we sacked DC in the coming months, I'd feel waaaaaaay more aggrieved than I did in 2010. |
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Post by oviedista on Aug 30, 2018 12:26:19 GMT
No historical comparison at all. The culture amongst playing staff - whatever results on the pitch - has been transformed by DC. Arguably, the trouble began with Trolls. Pretty weak argument that would be. Of course there is a historical comparison. Both managers hit the top half of League One and things deteriorated once they were forced to sell their prime asset(s) and rebuild. The one thing DC has done is to retain the core of the dressing room and evolve the squad slower, whereas PT made the mistake of letting experience depart. Like DC, he still did a terrific job however and some great memories came from his tenure. Time will tell whether DC is able to turn things around whilst preserving the culture. I for one fully support him and value the continuity he offers us. Agree things looked good with the Laurence/ Trollope pairing but some underlying issues at the club weren't addressed. No idea what was going on behind the scenes or from where it started,but the lack of professionalism became evident under Penny and didn't change until DC. My hope is that when DC eventually goes he leaves this legacy as I had lost all faith in the playing staff before he came in. As you say time will tell. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 12:44:10 GMT
All i would say is, what would DC do with the budget Lennie and Trolls had paying players upwards of £5k per week? A lot more than Lennie and Trolls achieved I reckon. He already outdid what they both have with half the squad and budget. And by that, you mean one player, Sir Rickie. Taylor no doubt would have been on significant money when he re-signed with the infamous clause. PT/LL took us to a JPT Final and FA Quarter Final which earned big money at the time. A great achievement and it's fair to say DC hasn't had much joy in the cup competitions. PT also didn't have a relegation on his watch. |
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Post by lastminutewinner on Aug 30, 2018 13:03:46 GMT
My god.... I know time heals wounds but surely people are not defending Trollope? That last season featured some of the most pathetic performances i've ever seen from a Rovers 'team'.
We were going down without a doubt imo. Higgs saved him from a relegation on his CV.
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Post by lpgas on Aug 30, 2018 13:17:59 GMT
Our problem was getting rid of Lennie, and expecting Trollope to manage on his own.
Regarding History until Plymouth went down to league 2 they and us were the only clubs never to have played either in the top or bottom division. Of course we weren't satisfied by playing in the bottom division, we had to go out of the league.
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Post by socrates on Aug 30, 2018 14:11:28 GMT
PT tried a style of play that was not suited to the players he had. He tried to get his players to play out from the back with a slow, patient approach but in reality it meant we were passing from side to side and going nowhere. That season, we were spanked by Oxford, who had just returned from Non-league 6-1 and 6-2 at Wednesday. By the time we played SWFC, I’m pretty sure we were already bottom 4. Clarke is a far better manager than Trolls in my opinion and Clarke deserves our backing. There isn’t anyone else that I would want in charge. We are trying a slower more patient approach this season and I think that’s half our trouble. Under DC we’ve always been pretty quick and direct . Like I said on another thread the successful sides in league 1 are strong quick and play with tempo and have usually got two big Center half’s. The sides who try and play out slowly that I’ve seen since we’ve returned to league 1 have got relegated. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 14:46:57 GMT
And by that, you mean one player, Sir Rickie. Taylor no doubt would have been on significant money when he re-signed with the infamous clause. PT/LL took us to a JPT Final and FA Quarter Final which earned big money at the time. A great achievement and it's fair to say DC hasn't had much joy in the cup competitions. PT also didn't have a relegation on his watch. I mean a whole host of players. Gary Sawyer, Jeff Hughes, Rickie, Craig Disley were all on 5+ a week. DC hasn't the luxury of wages that LL and PT enjoyed by a long shot. Cup runs have been sparse for sure but we have also had 2 double promotions and DC got us up automatically from L2. Lets be honest, the relegation was hardly his fault. That was John Ward. No chance were they on that kind of money. Relegation was the fault of the board primarily, but the reality is DC failed to get us over the line in that season despite plenty of opportunity to do so. Clearly he's more than made up for that though! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 15:19:13 GMT
Yes they were mate. Trust me I know. I once saw Jeff Hughes payslip that he left in his car that I was servicing, it was left on the seat, his take home was £5500. His comment about us paying good money for the reason him being at rovers wasn’t wrong! He was my neighbour and what make of car did you service for him if you don’t mind me asking also was that a months pay,weeks pay,fortnightly? |
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Post by lastminutewinner on Aug 30, 2018 15:22:18 GMT
Yes they were mate. Trust me I know. I once saw Jeff Hughes payslip that he left in his car that I was servicing , it was left on the seat, his take home was £5500. His comment about us paying good money for the reason him being at rovers wasn’t wrong!
lol......£5500/month for a bang average player like Hughes. No wonder it all went wrong!
Am I wrong to think he left it there on purpose?
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Post by dinsdale on Aug 30, 2018 15:28:53 GMT
Anyone see any similarities between Paul Trollope and Darrell Clarke’s tenure’s at the club? The pair dramatically turned around our fortunes from the likes of Atkins, Graydon, Ward and McGhee to have two seasons of initial success, in DC’s case our back to back promotions and in PT’s our Playoff win and FA cup run before being followed by a gradual decline in league positions as things get tougher. Both got rid of players we struggled to replace, PT never managed to find alternatives for Disley, Elliot or Williams and DC (so far) has not managed to replace players such as Bodin, Taylor or Brown. I can remember things going sour towards the end of Trollope’s reign when Lawrence left, fans started getting restless at us being a mid table league one club and our defending went out of the window (losing 6-2 to Sheffield Wednesday was a particular highlight). Around about the same time, due to the recession the redevelopment of the Mem no longer was viable and the club found itself with question marks off the field not too dissimilar from the collapse of the stadium at UWE. Isn’t this all startlingly comparable to the present situation we find ourselves in? Obviously there are differences, DC largely built his own team from scratch whereas PT arguably gained promotion through players that Atkins had signed and DC hasn’t lost a Lennie Lawrence type figure (other than Steve Yates?) from his coaching staff and is more popular with the fans than Trollope ever was. Of course we have foreign owners now too but in PT’s stewardship, Higgs to his credit did give PT a decent budget something the current owners arguably haven’t done. The message to take from this is that we need to give DC as much time and support as he needs to turn our form back around. We do not need to be rash as Higgs was by sacking PT and replacing him with the disastrous Dave Penney. Rovers have in the last 20 years spent more time playing our football in the division below, a couple of games lost in this division doesn’t seem so bad when you remember the lows we have been through. It is early days and DC is a more than capable manager, In him I trust more than anyone to turn things around. It is history repeating as this is the very limit of our potential and we still have tin pot owners lacking te resources to take us to the next level |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 16:17:59 GMT
Yes they were mate. Trust me I know. I once saw Jeff Hughes payslip that he left in his car that I was servicing, it was left on the seat, his take home was £5500. His comment about us paying good money for the reason him being at rovers wasn’t wrong! Sounds like that was per month, which would be more realistic. Absolutely no chance were Disley or Sawyer on anywhere near 5k a week. I'm not disputing that we paid OTT back in the day for the record. I know Lambert was the highest paid player in our history, and understand that was in the region of 5k a week. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Aug 30, 2018 16:28:20 GMT
Yes they were mate. Trust me I know. I once saw Jeff Hughes payslip that he left in his car that I was servicing, it was left on the seat, his take home was £5500. His comment about us paying good money for the reason him being at rovers wasn’t wrong! He was my neighbour and what make of car did you service for him if you don’t mind me asking also was that a months pay,weeks pay,fortnightly? From memory it was a Mercedes CLC. MB Bristol had a sponsorship at the time and supplied a few club staff with cars. Byron, Trolls and Cams has cars from us. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 17:12:15 GMT
History repeating?....Well not as much as those sausage rolls...
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Post by pirate on Aug 30, 2018 22:27:52 GMT
Yes they were mate. Trust me I know. I once saw Jeff Hughes payslip that he left in his car that I was servicing, it was left on the seat, his take home was £5500. His comment about us paying good money for the reason him being at rovers wasn’t wrong! Sounds like that was per month, which would be more realistic. Absolutely no chance were Disley or Sawyer on anywhere near 5k a week. I'm not disputing that we paid OTT back in the day for the record. I know Lambert was the highest paid player in our history, and understand that was in the region of 5k a week. That was per month. I believe Lambert was on about £3.3k per week because he tripled his wages when he joined Southampton and was on just under £10k per week there. |
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