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Post by rosssgb on Sept 8, 2018 19:56:02 GMT
Each to their own with regards to how you view a performance and players but thought Reilly, Bonham,Matthews, Bennett and Clarke were the only players who came out of today with any credit. It was a worry today about our lack of inventiveness when we got to their box. Still positive that the lads can turn it round..UTG Kelly came out of it with credit. Not sure about Bennett. He is really starting to flatter to deceive. What Pompey fans were saying is starting to ring tyre. Technically he is very good but hardly ever any end product to go with it. He had a few decent efforts that on another day would’ve gone in, wouldn’t be too harsh on him, quality wise he’s by far our best player. His ball manipulation is second to none in this division
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 8, 2018 19:57:42 GMT
Kelly came out of it with credit. Not sure about Bennett. He is really starting to flatter to deceive. What Pompey fans were saying is starting to ring tyre. Technically he is very good but hardly ever any end product to go with it. He had a few decent efforts that on another day could’ve gone in, wouldn’t be too harsh on him, quality wise he’s by far our best player. His ball manipulation is second to none in this division I would normally agree but when you are starting to see it time and time again. You have to start wondering. He's a good player don't get me wrong but it's so frustrating to see him not make more our of his ability.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 8, 2018 20:12:33 GMT
I was at the game. If Reilly was shattered and offered nothing (even though in a previous move he was linking with Payne, shot deflected wide but ref gave goalkick), why couldn't the Watford fella have come on? What did Nichols do today (or any day) that he hasn't done before (excluding the pass from upside-down upson last season)? Awful substitution. Game of opinions, in mine Reilly didn’t offer anything. Payne was winning flick ons and he wasn’t there to chase on. Reilly had two shots both off target. Respect as you're so right, it's about opinions. I just wonder if Reilly will get 40-odd more matches chances to score? And if he does, what division will we be in waiting for him to start paying back the faith and patience us and manager has had.. ? There surely comes a time where you have to say something isn't good enough, and turn to Watford fella instead of Nichols for a much needed goal?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2018 21:54:25 GMT
He had a few decent efforts that on another day could’ve gone in, wouldn’t be too harsh on him, quality wise he’s by far our best player. His ball manipulation is second to none in this division I would normally agree but when you are starting to see it time and time again. You have to start wondering. He's a good player don't get me wrong but it's so frustrating to see him not make more our of his ability. We aren't scoring. Ergo: He isn't scoring. He isn't assisting. So what is he doing with this prodigious talent everyone goes on about? It makes me laugh in disbelief that he was bought to replace Bodin. I would say he is the poor man's Bodin but he isn't even close to being at that level. And as for the 6k a week that was mooted the other day I would find that very hard to believe....but then this is Bristol Rovers- of course we are paying him 6k a week!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2018 21:58:02 GMT
Game of opinions, in mine Reilly didn’t offer anything. Payne was winning flick ons and he wasn’t there to chase on. Reilly had two shots both off target. Respect as you're so right, it's about opinions. I just wonder if Reilly will get 40-odd more matches chances to score? And if he does, what division will we be in waiting for him to start paying back the faith and patience us and manager has had.. ? There surely comes a time where you have to say something isn't good enough, and turn to Watford fella instead of Nichols for a much needed goal? If we are bringing Reilly off then Watford fella has to come on. Golden Bollocks always seems to find his way onto the pitch game after game and after almost a season's worth of appearances with only 1 goal it really is time to give a fair shout to Reilly and Watford fella. Wishful thinking on my part though, Nichols will play some part in the next game as sure as eggs are eggs.
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Post by socrates on Sept 8, 2018 23:27:09 GMT
Each to their own with regards to how you view a performance and players but thought Reilly, Bonham,Matthews, Bennett and Clarke were the only players who came out of today with any credit. It was a worry today about our lack of inventiveness when we got to their box. Still positive that the lads can turn it round..UTG I agree about the lack of inventiveness but I don’t think that’s down to our midfield like some are saying and I agree with your best players analysis. Today we had lines clarke Mathews and Bennett in midfield all looking to find a pass but the problem with Payne is he’s another Matt Harold , happy to sit on the defenders shoulder and wait . That left Reilly with all the running to do and it’s easy for defenders when they’re up against only one mobile striker , follow him stay goalside . I wouldn’t mind if Payne was a big target man but he ain’t and I fear that we’re going to flog him as one just like we did with Harold and get get relegated just like we did with Harrold as a non target man. We’ve got technique and creativity in our midfield I honestly believe that but we need movement and drive up front . Nichols hasn’t got that nor Payne. A couple of times second half we crossed it and Payne was marking his defender and Nichols wasn’t even in the penalty area.
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Post by socrates on Sept 8, 2018 23:30:13 GMT
Kelly came out of it with credit. Not sure about Bennett. He is really starting to flatter to deceive. What Pompey fans were saying is starting to ring tyre. Technically he is very good but hardly ever any end product to go with it. He had a few decent efforts that on another day would’ve gone in, wouldn’t be too harsh on him, quality wise he’s by far our best player. His ball manipulation is second to none in this division Ball manipulation? He’s got good feet but when he delivers the ball hardly anything comes off for him. He’s a tricky little player but how many goals or assists will he get us ? I’m sorry but Pompey let him go because his End product was poor and I don’t think that’s changed with us.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2018 0:24:07 GMT
He had a few decent efforts that on another day would’ve gone in, wouldn’t be too harsh on him, quality wise he’s by far our best player. His ball manipulation is second to none in this division Ball manipulation? He’s got good feet but when he delivers the ball hardly anything comes off for him. He’s a tricky little player but how many goals or assists will he get us ? I’m sorry but Pompey let him go because his End product was poor and I don’t think that’s changed with us. Paul cook handed him a 3 year deal because he clearly rated him but he wasnt the new managers cup of tea so he was happy to offload him. Thats what actually happened which is natural in football. In my humble opinion bennett is our best player.
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Post by socrates on Sept 9, 2018 5:18:31 GMT
Ball manipulation? He’s got good feet but when he delivers the ball hardly anything comes off for him. He’s a tricky little player but how many goals or assists will he get us ? I’m sorry but Pompey let him go because his End product was poor and I don’t think that’s changed with us. Paul cook handed him a 3 year deal because he clearly rated him but he wasnt the new managers cup of tea so he was happy to offload him. Thats what actually happened which is natural in football. In my humble opinion bennett is our best player. Ok fair enough . If he really is our best player then we’re in big trouble.
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Post by Fat Albert on Sept 9, 2018 6:32:22 GMT
I thought we played well in patches and moved the ball about. Just no end product. Payne plays with his back to goal a lot and looks to hold then bring players on. There was a couple of times we had it on midfield but everyone ahead was static just showing for a ball to feet. Not really any inventive running to make space/chances.
Plymouth have had a poor start but on outright chances should have won. We had more of the ball but one shot from outside the box which was well saved.
We got on down the flanks well but the final ball let us down. Don’t think we are a million miles away from becoming a solid team but equally we’re not gonna set the league on fire anytime soon by the look of things.
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Post by William Wilson on Sept 9, 2018 6:50:10 GMT
Paul cook handed him a 3 year deal because he clearly rated him but he wasnt the new managers cup of tea so he was happy to offload him. Thats what actually happened which is natural in football. In my humble opinion bennett is our best player. Ok fair enough . If he really is our best player then we’re in big trouble. I think that he`s our most naturally talented player, but that doesn`t necessarily mean that he`s our best. I thought he did ok yesterday, but it`s hard to see what he could have done to set either of our strikers up for a goal. In my opinion, Payne was awful. Scarcely moved all game. He looked like a player who`d had an arguement with the manager, and was sulking as a result. Reilly ran around a lot, but not to any great effect. And Nichols was Nichols. It`s asking a lot of Bennet, to have created a goal scoring chance for any of them. I`d definitely persevere with him.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 9, 2018 7:50:11 GMT
Ok fair enough . If he really is our best player then we’re in big trouble. I think that he`s our most naturally talented player, but that doesn`t necessarily mean that he`s our best. I thought he did ok yesterday, but it`s hard to see what he could have done to set either of our strikers up for a goal. In my opinion, Payne was awful. Scarcely moved all game. He looked like a player who`d had an arguement with the manager, and was sulking as a result. Reilly ran around a lot, but not to any great effect. And Nichols was Nichols. It`s asking a lot of Bennet, to have created a goal scoring chance for any of them. I`d definitely persevere with him.
I don't think that's in doubt. He should definitely make the first 11. He just flatters to deceive more often than not.
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Post by irene on Sept 9, 2018 7:59:02 GMT
The big positive yesterday was the performance of Bonham who appeared to spread confidence among the defenders in front of him and was always looking to play out from the back rather than hoof it I’m hoping he’ll have the same influence on the team as Joe Lumley did
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Post by bluestone on Sept 9, 2018 8:51:03 GMT
Since our crossing is not up to scratch at the moment (that may improve as season goes on hopefully) I think we should be putting more emphasis on dribbling and passing our way into the box.
When we tried that yesterday we were more effective at getting shots away forcing saves from Macey who to be fair earned his corn yesterday by keeping us out.
You never know it also might earn us a few pens as it will draw their defenders to put in a tackle.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 9, 2018 8:57:41 GMT
The big positive yesterday was the performance of Bonham who appeared to spread confidence among the defenders in front of him and was always looking to play out from the back rather than hoof it I’m hoping he’ll have the same influence on the team as Joe Lumley did Bonham definitely helped Craig and Clarke on numerous occasions by coming off his line and attacking high balls and crosses. With neither center back being that quick on the turn nor commanding in the air that was vital. It allowed TC and JC to hold position at the back and get away with some of the dark arts of defending without having to worry about their weaknesses being exposed. This in turn allowed the midfield, Ollie in particular to play a much more positive roll in the team. Lines wasn't great so there is an argument to be made for Sercs to take that spot when he's back.
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 9, 2018 9:04:28 GMT
Each to their own with regards to how you view a performance and players but thought Reilly, Bonham,Matthews, Bennett and Clarke were the only players who came out of today with any credit. It was a worry today about our lack of inventiveness when we got to their box. Still positive that the lads can turn it round..UTG I agree about the lack of inventiveness but I don’t think that’s down to our midfield like some are saying and I agree with your best players analysis. Today we had lines clarke Mathews and Bennett in midfield all looking to find a pass but the problem with Payne is he’s another Matt Harold , happy to sit on the defenders shoulder and wait . That left Reilly with all the running to do and it’s easy for defenders when they’re up against only one mobile striker , follow him stay goalside . I wouldn’t mind if Payne was a big target man but he ain’t and I fear that we’re going to flog him as one just like we did with Harold and get get relegated just like we did with Harrold as a non target man. We’ve got technique and creativity in our midfield I honestly believe that but we need movement and drive up front . Nichols hasn’t got that nor Payne. A couple of times second half we crossed it and Payne was marking his defender and Nichols wasn’t even in the penalty area. Yes, agree about Payne, he’s fairly easy for defenders to deal with if they are big and strong. If defenders are slow it doesn’t matter because so is Payne. Hate to say it but we’ve never replaced Taylor’s movement off the ball and instinct for a goal. Reilly needs to be given a chance with a run of games imo. Perhaps we’ll see Reilly and Nicholls up front for a few games. But tbh we need a settled side for some games to give them a chance to get used to each other and I came away from the game quite happy. Both teams will get better and Plymouth didn’t look like a bottom of the table team though that was because we’re just an ordinary team at the moment. UTG!
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 9, 2018 9:10:54 GMT
He had a few decent efforts that on another day could’ve gone in, wouldn’t be too harsh on him, quality wise he’s by far our best player. His ball manipulation is second to none in this division I would normally agree but when you are starting to see it time and time again. You have to start wondering. He's a good player don't get me wrong but it's so frustrating to see him not make more our of his ability. I think he's a great link up player and his distribution is great. He starts off most games spraying it around finding space for other players, and by the end he's starting to walk into cul-de-sacs. Partly it's down to, imo, his earlier team work not getting results. A brilliant example yesterday, he beats two men, and pings a perfect ball for Leads to get into the area with acres of space. And Leads spoons it straight over the South Stand.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Sept 9, 2018 10:16:04 GMT
Unfortunately, we do not have enough creativity in the team to score many goals; I will be happy to stay above the relegation zone this season, as DC as already said, if you sell your best players and lose 60 goals and do not replace players with real quality you are going to struggle on a low budget. Thankfully we have DC to pull the team through.
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Post by axegas on Sept 9, 2018 10:27:19 GMT
Yesterday, we were crying out for Sercombe and Partington. Last year at times, Partington would put it on a plate for Strikers in the box, he’s got a really decent technique for it and Leadbitter just doesn’t have it in him to put in decent crosses, it really stifles our attacking capabilities as his pace is no good when he is not possessing the end product to take advantage of it. I believe having Sercombe back too will be a great help for us as well as when he is in a central position and refinds last seasons form, it will improve the creativity massively and we will start scoring a decent amount of goals. We haven’t coped so far to losing Harrison and pushing Sercs out wide hasn’t helped with that.
At the moment we are just going to have to live with what we have got. It’s great to see Ollie Clarke recapturing his form of a couple of years ago and Matthews doing so well in his first season of League One football.
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Post by William Wilson on Sept 9, 2018 11:00:28 GMT
The big positive yesterday was the performance of Bonham who appeared to spread confidence among the defenders in front of him and was always looking to play out from the back rather than hoof it I’m hoping he’ll have the same influence on the team as Joe Lumley did Lines wasn't great so there is an argument to be made for Sercs to take that spot when he's back. I`m sure there is. But will he played in that role when he`s fit again, or will he just be shunted out to the left wing again, like he was for the first few games of the season? Wasted there.
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