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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 16, 2018 14:21:12 GMT
I've read different things in the aftermath of yesterday. I personally think people calling for DC's head this early on are showing a lack of respect for his achievements with us. I feel he wasn't backed enough following our promotions and we lost momentum as a consequence as well as losing our best players every season.
Don't get me wrong, DC is not exempt from criticism. However he is far from our biggest problem. I would be much more concerned about our league one status without him than with him.
My view on our problems yesterday were that defensively we weren't that bad. I say that because the defence had so much pressure on them that to come away with only a 1 goal defeat was a success on their part. Despite the biggest part of that being down to Bonham.
I've read people say we are lacking effort, now that may be true of 1 or 2 individuals but I don't think that is our problem. I recall one moment in the 2nd half where 3 of our players chucked their bodies in the way of a shot. It wasn't lack of effort. What I saw was lack of quality, pace, width, confidence. I question DC's line up. We had 2 full backs with no pace and then you have a 4-3-3 with our 2 wide players who like 2 cut in. So we basically had no width whatsoever or pace. We were lumping the ball forward for most of the time we had it and even when Payne did win it, there was nobody near him. This 4-3-3 really doesn't seem to work for us but it especially isn't going to work with the fullbacks unable to get forward in time to support. I can only imagine Matthews came off to change this formation. However it didn't really change our luck. I personally would rather have seen Upson been subbed off as he has been a disappointment this season, that was a bit negative IMO. That negativity from DC is showing a lack of confidence in his players to me. The players themself don't look confident either.
We spent most of the game without the ball, however everytime we won the ball we were far too slow with it. Slow build up, full backs too slow to get up and support. We lack creativity. Lines hasn't been up to much so far this season, Bennett was disappointing. Ollie Clarke has started the season well but he lacks real quality, more hard working and at least helps to us to be more competitive.
Up front looks really worrying, not one of our strikers looked a threat. Payne is looking a disappointment, yes he did lack support and supply but I've not been convinced he's put enough in recently or has the quality. I'm worried playing him will lead us to more long balls which is clearly not suited to the players we have. I really can't wait for Sercombe to come back, as he will had a lot of quality and creativity we are lacking in midfield.
My sobering thoughts after yesterday, was that it is going to be a really hard, long season. We may have only lost 1-0 to a good team (can see Luton being just in or outside of the play offs). But it was the manner of the defeat that was disappointing. We didn't have a shot on target the whole game and even if we had of got a point, it would have been day light robbery. Confidence was probably as big as difference between the 2 teams as anything. Luton were clearly a team high on confidence and we're clearly very low. The quicker we can get 3 points on the board the better. We need to stick together and get behind DC. Let's not be your average fickle football fans. Let's get behind the bloke who gave us our Rovers back. It's all well and good getting behind DC and the team when we are doing well but they both need us now as much as ever.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 14:26:51 GMT
Good post, this line sums it up for me:
"lack of quality, pace, width, confidence"
I would add 'height' to that too. One thing staggeringly obvious yesterday every time we put the ball into their box you knew they would clear it with ease. We didn't get near the ball let alone on the end of it
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 16, 2018 14:29:50 GMT
Good post, this line sums it up for me: "lack of quality, pace, width, confidence" I would add 'height' to that too. One thing staggeringly obvious yesterday every time we put the ball into their box you knew they would clear it with ease. We didn't get near the ball let alone on the end of it Yep, can't argue with that. It is a horrible mix of things to be short of tbh and make sit no surprise to see us where we are really.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 16, 2018 15:01:39 GMT
Good post, this line sums it up for me: "lack of quality, pace, width, confidence" I would add 'height' to that too. One thing staggeringly obvious yesterday every time we put the ball into their box you knew they would clear it with ease. We didn't get near the ball let alone on the end of it Yep, can't argue with that. It is a horrible mix of things to be short of tbh and make sit no surprise to see us where we are really. DC has to take a lot of blame though, he has had the whole summer to sort his team out yet we have started another season unprepared....again.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 17:40:07 GMT
An excellent summary GGMI.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 16, 2018 20:08:32 GMT
An excellent summary GGMI. Thank you kind sir. Hope you are on the mend by the way!
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Post by stevek192 on Sept 16, 2018 20:28:38 GMT
It may well be an excellent summary but lacking in Quality, Pace , Width and Confidence is a stinging criticism of DC's Summer Building and it is OK to say we should stand by him but when only one of these qualities is possible for him to correct with no financial backing possible until January and maybe not there then we are really up a creak without a paddle. The failure to build a squad has to create doubt as to whether DC is the Man for the job to carry us forward and not backwards. For me he has failed now for over a season because he signed last season two keepers both of which were glued to their line and yet he has made it clear that what he wanted was a keeper to come for crosses. Neither had this in their armoury at their previous clubs!! He has also used budget up on a left back who hasn't kicked a ball in anger and got in on loan a full back who was not good enough for the division below-astonishing.
We are even more uncertain because it is clear there is little or no conversation between the owners and the manager and in all honesty the season has relegation written all over it.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 16, 2018 21:04:35 GMT
GGMI you say DC wasn't backed enough following our promotion but he's spent the best part of £1m on transfer fees alone, I know he's brought in a similar amount but that's nothing new in lower league football. You then say he's not the biggest problem but then spend the rest of your post pulling his team apart surely the buck stops with DC, as he signed all the players, pick them yesterday, decided the formation and tactics etc? Our poor run no goes back to around last spring with DC seemingly unable to turn things around, pre-season was a nightmare and yesterday only an inspired Bonham stood between us and total hammering. I honestly can't see DC now turning things around if we don't beat Coventry on Saturday, as you then have to fear further defeats at Bradford & Rochdale.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 16, 2018 21:29:12 GMT
GGMI you say DC wasn't backed enough following our promotion but he's spent the best part of £1m on transfer fees alone, I know he's brought in a similar amount but that's nothing new in lower league football. You then say he's not the biggest problem but then spend the rest of your post pulling his team apart surely the buck stops with DC, as he signed all the players, pick them yesterday, decided the formation and tactics etc? Our poor run no goes back to around last spring with DC seemingly unable to turn things around, pre-season was a nightmare and yesterday only an inspired Bonham stood between us and total hammering. I honestly can't see DC now turning things around if we don't beat Coventry on Saturday, as you then have to fear further defeats at Bradford & Rochdale. Yes DC's made mistakes but he's made far fewer than previous managers we have had. If we got rid of him, we would be ripping out another part of the club IMO. Our downfall has stemmed from uncertainty off the pitch and losing our best players and trying to replace them on the cheap. Yep, I do feel DC got it wrong yesterday but the team is so short on confidence at the moment. We may well have lost regardless. DC deserves more chance and backing than people making snap judgments and wanting him out so quickly.
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Post by aghast on Sept 16, 2018 22:02:26 GMT
I think DC has lost confidence in himself and at the moment can't get it right on the pitch. He is confused and stressed and is making mistakes, which is what happens when someone is under a lot of stress.
The reason he is confused and stressed, I would suggest, is that he is managing a club with no direction, no plan, no ambition, and no communication, because the owners have walked away from the football while they negotiate the best way to minimise their losses as they back out of the whole glorious plan.
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Post by Somersetgas on Sept 16, 2018 22:09:22 GMT
GGMI you say DC wasn't backed enough following our promotion but he's spent the best part of £1m on transfer fees alone, I know he's brought in a similar amount but that's nothing new in lower league football. You then say he's not the biggest problem but then spend the rest of your post pulling his team apart surely the buck stops with DC, as he signed all the players, pick them yesterday, decided the formation and tactics etc? Our poor run no goes back to around last spring with DC seemingly unable to turn things around, pre-season was a nightmare and yesterday only an inspired Bonham stood between us and total hammering. I honestly can't see DC now turning things around if we don't beat Coventry on Saturday, as you then have to fear further defeats at Bradford & Rochdale. Yes he has had money to spend but Taylor, Bodin and Harrison have all gone to Championship teams, we aren’t in that market and never will be with these clowns inchage. He has got to find bargain buys sad as it seems and it shows in the current signings.
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Post by xplosivgas on Sept 16, 2018 23:16:59 GMT
I think DC still has some credit in the bank. I certainly don't want him to be Wael's scapegoat. I'm confident he'll do enough to keep us up. Then I wouldn't blame him if he moved on CV in tact.
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Post by Thatslife on Sept 17, 2018 7:57:11 GMT
Why is everyone surprised? We lost 3 of our best players, the heart of the team is now missing, and with Sercome, arguably our best player injuryed, its going to take some time to get it beating again.
I have faith (belief without proof) that DC will turn it round.......eventually, whether thats in time to avoid the drop remains to be seen
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Sept 17, 2018 8:49:03 GMT
I think DC has lost confidence in himself and at the moment can't get it right on the pitch. He is confused and stressed and is making mistakes, which is what happens when someone is under a lot of stress. The reason he is confused and stressed, I would suggest, is that he is managing a club with no direction, no plan, no ambition, and no communication, because the owners have walked away from the football while they negotiate the best way to minimise their losses as they back out of the whole glorious plan. this is it. He's casting the net around at the moment trying to find something that works. That's how it starts.
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Post by lpgas on Sept 17, 2018 10:17:49 GMT
It may well be an excellent summary but lacking in Quality, Pace , Width and Confidence is a stinging criticism of DC's Summer Building and it is OK to say we should stand by him but when only one of these qualities is possible for him to correct with no financial backing possible until January and maybe not there then we are really up a creak without a paddle. The failure to build a squad has to create doubt as to whether DC is the Man for the job to carry us forward and not backwards. For me he has failed now for over a season because he signed last season two keepers both of which were glued to their line and yet he has made it clear that what he wanted was a keeper to come for crosses. Neither had this in their armoury at their previous clubs!! He has also used budget up on a left back who hasn't kicked a ball in anger and got in on loan a full back who was not good enough for the division below-astonishing. We are even more uncertain because it is clear there is little or no conversation between the owners and the manager and in all honesty the season has relegation written all over it. We cannot blame anyone other than DC, he is the one who gets in the slow, vertically challenged , players. If he cut his squad down we could afford better players.
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Post by singupgas on Sept 17, 2018 10:24:05 GMT
It is worrying that after 5 games we are all saying that we are sh!te, only the players can change that now, they are here and nothing we can do until January. They have to prove that they are good enough at the same time.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 10:26:41 GMT
It may well be an excellent summary but lacking in Quality, Pace , Width and Confidence is a stinging criticism of DC's Summer Building and it is OK to say we should stand by him but when only one of these qualities is possible for him to correct with no financial backing possible until January and maybe not there then we are really up a creak without a paddle. The failure to build a squad has to create doubt as to whether DC is the Man for the job to carry us forward and not backwards. For me he has failed now for over a season because he signed last season two keepers both of which were glued to their line and yet he has made it clear that what he wanted was a keeper to come for crosses. Neither had this in their armoury at their previous clubs!! He has also used budget up on a left back who hasn't kicked a ball in anger and got in on loan a full back who was not good enough for the division below-astonishing. We are even more uncertain because it is clear there is little or no conversation between the owners and the manager and in all honesty the season has relegation written all over it. We cannot blame anyone other than DC, he is the one who gets in the slow, vertically challenged , players. If he cut his squad down we could afford better players. Maybe...just maybe...it was because he was forced to shop at the foodbank instead of Waitrose or Tesco?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 11:29:11 GMT
It may well be an excellent summary but lacking in Quality, Pace , Width and Confidence is a stinging criticism of DC's Summer Building and it is OK to say we should stand by him but when only one of these qualities is possible for him to correct with no financial backing possible until January and maybe not there then we are really up a creak without a paddle. The failure to build a squad has to create doubt as to whether DC is the Man for the job to carry us forward and not backwards. For me he has failed now for over a season because he signed last season two keepers both of which were glued to their line and yet he has made it clear that what he wanted was a keeper to come for crosses. Neither had this in their armoury at their previous clubs!! He has also used budget up on a left back who hasn't kicked a ball in anger and got in on loan a full back who was not good enough for the division below-astonishing. We are even more uncertain because it is clear there is little or no conversation between the owners and the manager and in all honesty the season has relegation written all over it. We cannot blame anyone other than DC, he is the one who gets in the slow, vertically challenged , players. If he cut his squad down we could afford better players. That is a very good point actually- is it the fault of his budget that he buys smaller players and puts them at centre back?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 11:30:08 GMT
We cannot blame anyone other than DC, he is the one who gets in the slow, vertically challenged , players. If he cut his squad down we could afford better players. Maybe...just maybe...it was because he was forced to shop at the foodbank instead of Waitrose or Tesco? Last time I checked there was nothing in the rules to say that defenders over 6 foot could only play for clubs with a top 6 budget...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 11:37:08 GMT
Maybe...just maybe...it was because he was forced to shop at the foodbank instead of Waitrose or Tesco? Last time I checked there was nothing in the rules to say that defenders over 6 foot could only play for clubs with a top 6 budget... Maybe....just maybe....by the time he was actually given a budget, the better players had already been taken, so he was only left to pick up players from the 'use by date' shelf?
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