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Post by dave1883gas on Sept 17, 2018 15:32:56 GMT
Having watched DC's interview today re the west ham game I have to say the club feels to me like its in a complete and utter mess on and off the field. With talk of takeovers / investors etc., poor on field performance, seemingly abysmal off field performance by way of stadiums and training grounds, cryptic messages from the manager something surely has to give soon. If there was nothing happening in the background it would be very, very easy to come out and say to supporters something on the lines of....The rumours on social media and forums etc. are complete nonsense, we are committed to the club and are here for the long term. A simple, short, accurate statement to make all this speculation go away / end. It seems to me that DC has today given a cryptic message because he is either trying to get fired, completely at the end of his tether, trying to force an off field issue (or possibly all three). The club / DS may take the view they don't owe the supporters any explanations or updates which is fair enough but in my opinion it is a very dangerous and ill thought out approach. As someone has said previously the biggest asset the club has is its paying customers / supporters (like any business really) and if those customers start to drop off in terms of attendances / spend then the club will be in a bigger pickle than it currently appears and so will the owners. I keep hearing about patience regarding the off field issues but if patience was required they couldn't have bought a worse club as we have been waiting for over 30 years for a decent and modern infrastructure. If you want patience as an owner you simply don't buy BRFC! If new owners / investors are in the background they may want to get on with it as the way its going they could end up owning / investing in a manager less league 2 bound club. My view is that there is something major going on in the back ground and based on what I have been told this was a sale to new owners....However having listened to DC today, perhaps as with all things Rovers things are not going smoothly on that front. Lets hope whatever is happening is resolved quickly and we end up with more stability on the pitch and an exciting future with a new stadium and training ground on the way. People criticise people for discussing rumours, being / pretending to be ITK but this is simply a result of a complete lack of any kind of communication from the owners / chairperson. There is a massive hole in the info coming from the club and human nature is such that the hole will be filled with correct / incorrect / semi correct info. Come on Rovers, the time has come to say something as your supporters I feel (like the manager) are also at the end of their tethers!
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Post by lpgas on Sept 17, 2018 15:59:02 GMT
DC is in charge of the players and results. Nothing else, unless of course if there are new owners they have their own man lined up
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Post by swissgas on Sept 17, 2018 16:07:18 GMT
The biggest asset of Bristol Rovers FC is it's supporters.
The biggest asset of Bristol Rovers 1883 Ltd is the land on which the Memorial Stadium is built.
Financing Bristol Rovers FC by borrowing money secured against the value of the parent company's land was a recipe for disaster.
In future Bristol Rovers FC will have to be financed with a mixture of equity capital provided by it's owners and profits generated through the success it manages to achieve on and off the field.
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Post by knowall on Sept 17, 2018 16:18:40 GMT
The biggest asset of Bristol Rovers FC is it's supporters. The biggest asset of Bristol Rovers 1883 Ltd is the land on which the Memorial Stadium is built. Financing Bristol Rovers FC by borrowing money secured against the value of the parent company's land was a recipe for disaster. In future Bristol Rovers FC will have to be financed with a mixture of equity capital provided by it's owners and profits generated through the success it manages to achieve on and off the field. Like many a business then |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 17, 2018 16:19:30 GMT
DC is in charge of the players and results. Nothing else, unless of course if there are new owners they have their own man lined up Perhaps Holloway is involved in some way with the takeover as it's odd DC keep bringing the club politics into his pre and post match interviews, is that why the players seem to have just given up, surely they can't have lost intrinte just because the ALQ's might be selling up? |
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Post by swissgas on Sept 17, 2018 16:25:54 GMT
The biggest asset of Bristol Rovers FC is it's supporters. The biggest asset of Bristol Rovers 1883 Ltd is the land on which the Memorial Stadium is built. Financing Bristol Rovers FC by borrowing money secured against the value of the parent company's land was a recipe for disaster. In future Bristol Rovers FC will have to be financed with a mixture of equity capital provided by it's owners and profits generated through the success it manages to achieve on and off the field. Like many a business then Yes, I think most successful businesses of comparable size to Rovers are financed with a high proportion of equity capital. Do you think we can persuade Gasheads to be a bit more savvy in future ? |
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Post by gas2 on Sept 17, 2018 16:48:03 GMT
I think the owners should come and front up in the form of a fan's forum ?
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Post by pirate49 on Sept 17, 2018 16:55:12 GMT
We are suffering from lack of leadership at all levels in the club.
At the top there is deafening silence. I know that not all developments can be reported, but there
are ways of keeping the fanbase on board.
The new CEO has hardly made any impression as far as I can see.
The management is looking increasingly forlorn and hints at discord. DC says that he takes full
responsibility for recruitment, selection and tactics. Exactly!
On the pitch we lack true leaders. Tom may be a great bloke but he is not one for rallying the troops.
The Supporters Club? Will there be an AGM in October?? Ken Masters' last 'Notes' appeared on 13 March.
As a club we are drifting. Things may be happening 'behind the scenes', but they'd better hurry up.
Any more drifting and we'll be on the rocks!
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 17, 2018 17:04:51 GMT
I think the owners should come and front up in the form of a fan's forum ? |
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Sept 17, 2018 17:08:19 GMT
The biggest asset of Bristol Rovers FC is it's supporters. The biggest asset of Bristol Rovers 1883 Ltd is the land on which the Memorial Stadium is built. Financing Bristol Rovers FC by borrowing money secured against the value of the parent company's land was a recipe for disaster. In future Bristol Rovers FC will have to be financed with a mixture of equity capital provided by it's owners and profits generated through the success it manages to achieve on and off the field. I think a lot of people are missing your second and third points and believe that the ALQs have genuinely invested risk capital in the club.
There is a risk here that they sell the biggest asset of the football club to a property developer, recover their loans and leave us homeless.
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Post by dickiedamsell on Sept 17, 2018 17:17:21 GMT
Since the los of UWE this means no new hotel, shopping complex etc and the end of the looking for profit camel trainers at OUR CLUB.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 17:28:01 GMT
Having watched DC's interview today re the west ham game I have to say the club feels to me like its in a complete and utter mess on and off the field. With talk of takeovers / investors etc., poor on field performance, seemingly abysmal off field performance by way of stadiums and training grounds, cryptic messages from the manager something surely has to give soon. If there was nothing happening in the background it would be very, very easy to come out and say to supporters something on the lines of....The rumours on social media and forums etc. are complete nonsense, we are committed to the club and are here for the long term. A simple, short, accurate statement to make all this speculation go away / end. It seems to me that DC has today given a cryptic message because he is either trying to get fired, completely at the end of his tether, trying to force an off field issue (or possibly all three). The club / DS may take the view they don't owe the supporters any explanations or updates which is fair enough but in my opinion it is a very dangerous and ill thought out approach. As someone has said previously the biggest asset the club has is its paying customers / supporters (like any business really) and if those customers start to drop off in terms of attendances / spend then the club will be in a bigger pickle than it currently appears and so will the owners. I keep hearing about patience regarding the off field issues but if patience was required they couldn't have bought a worse club as we have been waiting for over 30 years for a decent and modern infrastructure. If you want patience as an owner you simply don't buy BRFC! If new owners / investors are in the background they may want to get on with it as the way its going they could end up owning / investing in a manager less league 2 bound club. My view is that there is something major going on in the back ground and based on what I have been told this was a sale to new owners....However having listened to DC today, perhaps as with all things Rovers things are not going smoothly on that front. Lets hope whatever is happening is resolved quickly and we end up with more stability on the pitch and an exciting future with a new stadium and training ground on the way. People criticise people for discussing rumours, being / pretending to be ITK but this is simply a result of a complete lack of any kind of communication from the owners / chairperson. There is a massive hole in the info coming from the club and human nature is such that the hole will be filled with correct / incorrect / semi correct info. Come on Rovers, the time has come to say something as your supporters I feel (like the manager) are also at the end of their tethers!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 17:36:11 GMT
The biggest asset of Bristol Rovers FC is it's supporters. The biggest asset of Bristol Rovers 1883 Ltd is the land on which the Memorial Stadium is built. Financing Bristol Rovers FC by borrowing money secured against the value of the parent company's land was a recipe for disaster. In future Bristol Rovers FC will have to be financed with a mixture of equity capital provided by it's owners and profits generated through the success it manages to achieve on and off the field. I think a lot of people are missing your second and third points and believe that the ALQs have genuinely invested risk capital in the club.
There is a risk here that they sell the biggest asset of the football club to a property developer, recover their loans and leave us homeless.
The people who make the decisions don't care what happens to the club as long as they get their investment back and the rumblings in the background are making me think that we are getting very close to the doomsday scenario that many predicted when we first heard about the charge against the Mem. |
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Post by paulpirate on Sept 17, 2018 17:45:51 GMT
I wonder if all the players are getting paid
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Post by Marshy on Sept 17, 2018 17:47:48 GMT
I wonder if all the players are getting paid Some of them don’t deserve too! |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 17, 2018 17:49:32 GMT
Having watched DC's interview today re the west ham game I have to say the club feels to me like its in a complete and utter mess on and off the field. With talk of takeovers / investors etc., poor on field performance, seemingly abysmal off field performance by way of stadiums and training grounds, cryptic messages from the manager something surely has to give soon. If there was nothing happening in the background it would be very, very easy to come out and say to supporters something on the lines of....The rumours on social media and forums etc. are complete nonsense, we are committed to the club and are here for the long term. A simple, short, accurate statement to make all this speculation go away / end. It seems to me that DC has today given a cryptic message because he is either trying to get fired, completely at the end of his tether, trying to force an off field issue (or possibly all three). The club / DS may take the view they don't owe the supporters any explanations or updates which is fair enough but in my opinion it is a very dangerous and ill thought out approach. As someone has said previously the biggest asset the club has is its paying customers / supporters (like any business really) and if those customers start to drop off in terms of attendances / spend then the club will be in a bigger pickle than it currently appears and so will the owners. I keep hearing about patience regarding the off field issues but if patience was required they couldn't have bought a worse club as we have been waiting for over 30 years for a decent and modern infrastructure. If you want patience as an owner you simply don't buy BRFC! If new owners / investors are in the background they may want to get on with it as the way its going they could end up owning / investing in a manager less league 2 bound club. My view is that there is something major going on in the back ground and based on what I have been told this was a sale to new owners....However having listened to DC today, perhaps as with all things Rovers things are not going smoothly on that front. Lets hope whatever is happening is resolved quickly and we end up with more stability on the pitch and an exciting future with a new stadium and training ground on the way. People criticise people for discussing rumours, being / pretending to be ITK but this is simply a result of a complete lack of any kind of communication from the owners / chairperson. There is a massive hole in the info coming from the club and human nature is such that the hole will be filled with correct / incorrect / semi correct info. Come on Rovers, the time has come to say something as your supporters I feel (like the manager) are also at the end of their tethers!
great post! Having listened to the interview I can't work out who he's alluding to when he talks about people being paid by clue. As he talks about them when asked about the players noy the club generally, is he suggesting not all the players are pulling their weight? Ollie Clarke suggests something similar in his interior when he mentions getting everyone on side. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 17:55:11 GMT
I think a lot of people are missing your second and third points and believe that the ALQs have genuinely invested risk capital in the club.
There is a risk here that they sell the biggest asset of the football club to a property developer, recover their loans and leave us homeless.
The people who make the decisions don't care what happens to the club as long as they get their investment back and the rumblings in the background are making me think that we are getting very close to the doomsday scenario that many predicted when we first heard about the charge against the Mem. I agree there is a risk but what is the likelihood of that risk actually materialising and other than personal opinion and speculation, where are the actual facts to base the foundation of this risk materialising now being so prevalent? I don’t dispute the risk exists but I personally haven’t read or seen anything that makes me think that the likelihood of this happening is any different from day 1 where I personally believe the risk was unlikely or minimal. I’m happy to accept I’m wrong (wouldn’t be happy with the outcome) but to me there is too much speculation generating scaremongering (not saying you are) that is then creating disharmony and disillusion amongst the fanbase (although again we on here are just a small proportion and not necessarily representative of the total fan base) going on. I admit that the decline in communication and perceived lack of transparency means our owners are not necessarily helping themselves.... |
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Post by althepirate on Sept 17, 2018 18:21:15 GMT
Hani/Wael difference of opinion so Wael searching for outside investment?
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Post by warehamgas on Sept 17, 2018 18:40:30 GMT
I think the owners should come and front up in the form of a fan's forum ? No way will that happen. Most on here have made their minds up about the AQs. It would dissolve into chaos and lots of people on here wanting to shout their views but few would be prepared to listen to what would be said. They needed to say something a year ago after the UWE went wrong. I’m not sure that this forum is representative of the fan-base at large but if it is then it would be a mistake to front up at a fans forum at the moment. UTG! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2018 18:59:28 GMT
The people who make the decisions don't care what happens to the club as long as they get their investment back and the rumblings in the background are making me think that we are getting very close to the doomsday scenario that many predicted when we first heard about the charge against the Mem. I agree there is a risk but what is the likelihood of that risk actually materialising and other than personal opinion and speculation, where are the actual facts to base the foundation of this risk materialising now being so prevalent? I don’t dispute the risk exists but I personally haven’t read or seen anything that makes me think that the likelihood of this happening is any different from day 1 where I personally believe the risk was unlikely or minimal. I’m happy to accept I’m wrong (wouldn’t be happy with the outcome) but to me there is too much speculation generating scaremongering (not saying you are) that is then creating disharmony and disillusion amongst the fanbase (although again we on here are just a small proportion and not necessarily representative of the total fan base) going on. I admit that the decline in communication and perceived lack of transparency means our owners are not necessarily helping themselves.... I'm working off the basis that there is no smoke without fire and it seems that there is a groundswell of rumour from various posters all at the same time. We have to be approaching the tipping point for the value of the mem vs total debt. Wael has told us they are not a charity and they have confirmed as much by lodging the debt against the stadium and also charging interest. So realistically right now is when they will want to sell because sooner rather than later they will have to start risking their money keeping us afloat while they try and offload us. Investment in the team seems to be at a low ebb. You could view the investment in the HR infrastructure as DS giving the internals a lick of paint in order to make the club more appealing to a buyer. All the circumstantial evidence for me suggests that they have to be looking to sell. And why are they going to care who they sell to? The rumour about the property developer has to be potentially worrying. Either way I just don't see what is to stop them from selling Rovers down the river so long as they get their investment back. Of course Wael will not want that but I doubt the wider family listen to a word he says. A property developer's 15 million is as good as anyone's |
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