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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2018 7:11:03 GMT
WAQ Hamer Gorringe Masters Starnes Turner I think..... Narrow it down then. If Severncider is right then it wasn't WAQ. Starnes wouldn't leak about himself. Masters is just a non-entity whose title (Director) is just a fob to the SC. That leaves Turner, Gorringe or Hamer. Any other bits of info to provide? Were all three at the game when Severncider was approached?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 21, 2018 7:21:07 GMT
WAQ Hamer Gorringe Masters Starnes Turner I think..... Narrow it down then. If Severncider is right then it wasn't WAQ. Starnes wouldn't leak about himself. Masters is just a non-entity whose title (Director) is just a fob to the SC. That leaves Turner, Gorringe or Hamer. Any other bits of info to provide? Were all three at the game when Severncider was approached? I have my suspicions, but I think it would be wrong to speculate publicly because the ramifications are very damaging. The only way we will really know is if Severncider decides to tell us I suppose. For what it's worth, I completely believe Severncider but he has the right not to divulge who approached him.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 21, 2018 7:22:15 GMT
WAQ Hamer Gorringe Masters Starnes Turner I think..... Narrow it down then. If Severncider is right then it wasn't WAQ. Starnes wouldn't leak about himself. Masters is just a non-entity whose title (Director) is just a fob to the SC. That leaves Turner, Gorringe or Hamer. Any other bits of info to provide? Were all three at the game when Severncider was approached? Not sure why anybody thought TG was ever a Director.... President: Wael Al-Qadi Chairman: Steve Hamer Directors: Wael Al-Qadi, Steve Hamer, Mike Turner, Ken Masters. So that narrows it down even further and I doubt one of those two has an interest in our new CEO attending a match at his former employer's club?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 21, 2018 7:24:45 GMT
TG is listed as Commercial Director online.
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Post by gasify on Sept 21, 2018 7:27:38 GMT
WAQ Hamer Gorringe Masters Starnes Turner I think..... Narrow it down then. If Severncider is right then it wasn't WAQ. Starnes wouldn't leak about himself. Masters is just a non-entity whose title (Director) is just a fob to the SC. That leaves Turner, Gorringe or Hamer. Any other bits of info to provide? Were all three at the game when Severncider was approached? I think that realistically leaves Gorringe or Hamer. I think Gorringe is very ambitious, but I don't think he is capable of getting together a consortium and then trying to make it happen. Hamer however has been involved in the brokering of the purchase of a football club before. What if Hamer actually had the club's best interests at heart? (Contrary to popular opinion). He has certainly showed signs of frustrations by the owners previously. Maybe he knows we are going nowhere/being run down and is trying to save us...? The narrative does fit what we have seen over the last couple of years. He could also just be out for himself and annoyed that he didn't get the CEO job and this is him throwing his toys out of his pram.
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Post by gasify on Sept 21, 2018 7:30:56 GMT
Narrow it down then. If Severncider is right then it wasn't WAQ. Starnes wouldn't leak about himself. Masters is just a non-entity whose title (Director) is just a fob to the SC. That leaves Turner, Gorringe or Hamer. Any other bits of info to provide? Were all three at the game when Severncider was approached? I have my suspicions, but I think it would be wrong to speculate publicly because the ramifications are very damaging.The only way we will really know is if Severncider decides to tell us I suppose. For what it's worth, I completely believe Severncider but he has the right not to divulge who approached him. Oops. Probably too late for that already. If it was say a 10 to 20 people boardroom, then Severnciders comments about a board member is correct. Unfortunately, it is 5 people and two can be removed from the line up straight away.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2018 7:43:39 GMT
I have my suspicions, but I think it would be wrong to speculate publicly because the ramifications are very damaging.The only way we will really know is if Severncider decides to tell us I suppose. For what it's worth, I completely believe Severncider but he has the right not to divulge who approached him. Oops. Probably too late for that already. If it was say a 10 to 20 people boardroom, then Severnciders comments about a board member is correct. Unfortunately, it is 5 people and two can be removed from the line up straight away. To be fair, if this is something we are only playing about with online, don't you think that WAQ and the family have already done this?
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Post by gasify on Sept 21, 2018 7:48:19 GMT
Oops. Probably too late for that already. If it was say a 10 to 20 people boardroom, then Severnciders comments about a board member is correct. Unfortunately, it is 5 people and two can be removed from the line up straight away. To be fair, if this is something we are only playing about with online, don't you think that WAQ and the family have already done this? Yeah, you'd want to give him a job that will make him realise which side of his bread is buttered.......
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Post by stevek192 on Sept 21, 2018 20:19:13 GMT
Do we really want or need Severncider to come out and divulge things? Does it really matter? haven't supporters got better things to do like SUPPORT the team and wait until eventually Wael makes a statement? It seems to me it is a bit like a game with supporters who like to think and like other people to think they are in the know when the most information they probably have is either planted or useless anyway. I suggest we wait for October and as with all the deadlines set out on here before by people telling us something will happen it will just pass by and we will be into November. When these people realise that the only important person is Wael perhaps they will just disappear with their "rumours".
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 21, 2018 20:32:53 GMT
Do we really want or need Severncider to come out and divulge things? Does it really matter? haven't supporters got better things to do like SUPPORT the team and wait until eventually Wael makes a statement? It seems to me it is a bit like a game with supporters who like to think and like other people to think they are in the know when the most information they probably have is either planted or useless anyway. I suggest we wait for October and as with all the deadlines set out on here before by people telling us something will happen it will just pass by and we will be into November. When these people realise that the only important person is Wael perhaps they will just disappear with their "rumours". If a director of BRFC is encouraging fans to spread rumours about senior BRFC staff then yeah, I'd say that was pretty important.
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Post by mehewmagic on Sept 21, 2018 23:23:31 GMT
Can we be clear please
There are only 4 board members / directors of the club -
Wael Al-Qadi, Steve Hamer, Mike Turner, Ken Masters (as Supporters Club rep).
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Post by mehewmagic on Sept 21, 2018 23:25:16 GMT
TG is listed as Commercial Director online. Yes. That's just a job title. Meaning that he controls the commercial side of things, from a staff point of view. He does not sit on the Board of Directors.
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Post by swissgas on Sept 21, 2018 23:37:23 GMT
Can we be clear please There are only 4 board members / directors of the club - Wael Al-Qadi, Steve Hamer, Mike Turner, Ken Masters (as Supporters Club rep). Martyn Starnes was appointed as a director on July 9th 2018.
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Post by mehewmagic on Sept 21, 2018 23:46:03 GMT
Can we be clear please There are only 4 board members / directors of the club - Wael Al-Qadi, Steve Hamer, Mike Turner, Ken Masters (as Supporters Club rep). Martyn Starnes was appointed as a director on July 9th 2018. Ok. Not listed in programme as such / not clear that he's CEO & a Director.
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Post by swissgas on Sept 22, 2018 0:07:10 GMT
Martyn Starnes was appointed as a director on July 9th 2018. Ok. Not listed in programme as such / not clear that he's CEO & a Director. You are right it was not publicised at all and is another example of the lack of clarity about what is happening at Rovers. But so much of what does happen can be predicted if you take the time to weigh things up carefully. Back in April I made this post after Martyn's appointment had been announced and in response to some fans who were questioning it. "Gasincider seems to be saying that Rovers don't need a CEO, the money could be spent on other things, the loyal Gasheads who work for Rovers shouldn't have their feathers ruffled and he doesn't think we will be getting a training ground or redeveloped stadium any time soon.
I disagree with him about most of that because I do think we need a CEO and we do need to restructure the club and ruffle a few feathers in the process but I am not sure Martyn is the right choice to do it. Some superficial things have changed for the better but I still think a fundamental transformation of the club is necessary to go together with the new training ground and redeveloped stadium. Martyn's experience is mainly in keeping afloat lower league clubs which were in financial difficulty, and he seems to have done fairly well at it, but I don't think that is what is needed. If we really believe we are going to get a new training ground and a redeveloped Championship standard stadium then I think we need a younger CEO who's career is on the up and also some more dynamic younger people to work alongside him and Tom Gorringe.
But as with the training ground, which in my opinion is an unwise use of cash resources, if the decision is made and Martyn is coming then of course we should support that decision. What I would say though is that to help Martyn do his job properly and to prevent the unpleasantness which Gasincider is alluding to then I think there needs to be a clear and unambiguous statement from Steve Hamer or Wael as to what exactly Martyn's role is, and what he is aiming to achieve, so that both staff and supporters are on-side from the start."
Five months ago it seemed very likely to me that Martyn's appointment would not turn out to be a success unless his role was clearly defined and that if things were left to drift, as they have been, the result would be a lot of unpleasantness.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2018 4:16:09 GMT
I think we all need to pander to severncider a bit more. People dont realise his importance imo.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2018 4:19:25 GMT
Ok. Not listed in programme as such / not clear that he's CEO & a Director. You are right it was not publicised at all and is another example of the lack of clarity about what is happening at Rovers. But so much of what does happen can be predicted if you take the time to weigh things up carefully. Back in April I made this post after Martyn's appointment had been announced and in response to some fans who were questioning it. "Gasincider seems to be saying that Rovers don't need a CEO, the money could be spent on other things, the loyal Gasheads who work for Rovers shouldn't have their feathers ruffled and he doesn't think we will be getting a training ground or redeveloped stadium any time soon.
I disagree with him about most of that because I do think we need a CEO and we do need to restructure the club and ruffle a few feathers in the process but I am not sure Martyn is the right choice to do it. Some superficial things have changed for the better but I still think a fundamental transformation of the club is necessary to go together with the new training ground and redeveloped stadium. Martyn's experience is mainly in keeping afloat lower league clubs which were in financial difficulty, and he seems to have done fairly well at it, but I don't think that is what is needed. If we really believe we are going to get a new training ground and a redeveloped Championship standard stadium then I think we need a younger CEO who's career is on the up and also some more dynamic younger people to work alongside him and Tom Gorringe.
But as with the training ground, which in my opinion is an unwise use of cash resources, if the decision is made and Martyn is coming then of course we should support that decision. What I would say though is that to help Martyn do his job properly and to prevent the unpleasantness which Gasincider is alluding to then I think there needs to be a clear and unambiguous statement from Steve Hamer or Wael as to what exactly Martyn's role is, and what he is aiming to achieve, so that both staff and supporters are on-side from the start."
Five months ago it seemed very likely to me that Martyn's appointment would not turn out to be a success unless his role was clearly defined and that if things were left to drift, as they have been, the result would be a lot of unpleasantness. "Martyn's experience is mainly in keeping afloat lower league clubs which were in financial difficulty" A very interesting observation considering we currently have debt coming out of our ass.
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Post by peterparker on Sept 22, 2018 6:11:45 GMT
I think we all need to pander to severncider a bit more. People dont realise his importance imo. The most embarassing thing is some director (if indeed true) thinks this is a good stick to beat Martyn Starnes with.
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Post by stevek192 on Sept 22, 2018 9:21:05 GMT
Sorry but the important thing as far as I am concerned is the club, the team and the Manager. Who is Severncider? Who cares? No individual is important to us unless he has the money to buy the club and do something positive.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 22, 2018 9:27:42 GMT
Sorry but the important thing as far as I am concerned is the club, the team and the Manager. Who is Severncider? Who cares? No individual is important to us unless he has the money to buy the club and do something positive. Have you not heard DC say that there are people at the club who are not all pulling together and that's having an effect on him and the squad. Have you ever worked anywhere where the top management don't get on and do all they can to undermine one another? It's not a recipe for success. Indeed, it's a recipe for failure. We are seeing the direct result of all this turmoil on the pitch this season. Severncider is right to highlight this issue. If someone (a director) has issues with how the club is run they need to front up and go public. Asking fans to leak smear stories is not the way to run a football club.
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