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Post by markczgas on Oct 6, 2014 9:39:36 GMT
jake gosling is without doubt: a. the quickest player we have (along with Harrison) b. the best finisher we have (along with Harrison) c. the most skilfull player we have (along with Harrison) why not try jake up front (along with Harrison) Respect you Paul, but I must have missed all that as I dont rate Gosling at all. I'd put Taylor out wide and bring Ellis in up front Think this is worth a try. Taylor being right-footed and ability to go past players would hopefully give us something on the right because Gosling, sadly, just wasn't in the game on Saturday and keeps going inside, and he didn't really show any pace when he did, into a crowded middle area. Ellis, can finish but his technique isn't great and will he play together with Cunnington (just think these two play for themselves too much). But Ellis probably best bet with who there is. White to come on if Ellis doesn't do it !
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Post by stevek192 on Oct 6, 2014 9:45:04 GMT
When you say Taylor has done well-How can he have done well as his main job is to score goals? I agree his "general" play has mostly been good and that he runs about but if he is not going to score goals then he is in the wrong position and is no more use to us than Beardsley last season who was heavily criticised for not scoring goals although his work rate was good. The worrying thing is really that Clarke does not think that anybody else could do any better!!!
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Post by markczgas on Oct 6, 2014 9:47:16 GMT
The strangest thing is that these strikers HAVE scored goals at this level but IMO that does not mean that you stick with them for 14 games in hope rather than certainty. I feel Clarke should be saying to Matty that he does NOT want to see him running all over the place but staying up top on the last defender with Cunnington somewhere NEAR him. The midfield players and defenders also need to take some pace off of their passing as we are not often finding our players and too often the ball runs out of play particularly down our right side. In truth at the moment we lack three players- a right winger, a creative midfield player and a striker and in truth Clarke has not provided the right player for any of these positions and neither has a Rovers Manager in the last five years. In fairness to Clarke we have made a solid start and his Manager of the Month was well deserved but our goalscoring is holding us back and must be quickly remedied. I got to be honest, I think Taylor has done well on the most part this season. I do think both strikers were poor Saturday though and I'm a fan of them both. It's worrying that White isn't get many minutes, that tells you a lot about his attitude I think. Why do you think it's about his attitude ? based on what exactly ? Perhaps it's about ability. When I saw White against Halifax he was ok but if i was defender I wouldn't be really that worried about him - physically small and not strong, not much pace.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 6, 2014 9:51:21 GMT
I got to be honest, I think Taylor has done well on the most part this season. I do think both strikers were poor Saturday though and I'm a fan of them both. It's worrying that White isn't get many minutes, that tells you a lot about his attitude I think. Why do you think it's about his attitude ? based on what exactly ? Perhaps it's about ability. When I saw White against Halifax he was ok but if i was defender I wouldn't be really that worried about him - physically small and not strong, not much pace. Maybe the word attitude was misleading. I mean as regards to professionalism, he looked overweight in the summer and Clarke wouldn't have signed him if he didn't rate him. He obviously isn't doing something right to not get a look in.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 6, 2014 9:53:03 GMT
When you say Taylor has done well-How can he have done well as his main job is to score goals? I agree his "general" play has mostly been good and that he runs about but if he is not going to score goals then he is in the wrong position and is no more use to us than Beardsley last season who was heavily criticised for not scoring goals although his work rate was good. The worrying thing is really that Clarke does not think that anybody else could do any better!!! Think you are being harsh on Taylor. Clarke likes players playing for the team and Taylor does that. He does need to get more goals but you make it sound like he is not a very good player.
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Post by stevek192 on Oct 6, 2014 11:02:12 GMT
Sorry what i mean is he is not a very good striker!! A targetman is rated on his ability to hold the ball up and set up chances as well as scoring but the striker alongside that player is rated on striking ie scoring goals and Taylor so far this season is not very good at that. I am not saying he is not a good footballer.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Oct 6, 2014 11:08:44 GMT
Sorry what i mean is he is not a very good striker!! A targetman is rated on his ability to hold the ball up and set up chances as well as scoring but the striker alongside that player is rated on striking ie scoring goals and Taylor so far this season is not very good at that. I am not saying he is not a good footballer. Agreed. He has everything else to his game that you could ask for from a striker at this level. Pace, touch, movement, good leap, linkup play etc. But he's supposed to be our goal poacher and in 13 matches he's poached 1. That isn't good enough - especially not for a team with ambitions of getting out of the league this season. I worry that a strikeforce of White-Cunnington lacks the pace to stretch teams, and think that Harrison is more effective coming off the bench against tiring legs. Maybe 3-5-2 with Taylor in behind White-Cunnington would work?
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Post by malmersgas on Oct 6, 2014 11:11:34 GMT
I an see Matt Taylor becoming the next `Matt Harrold debate`......
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Post by Mark Ash on Oct 6, 2014 11:41:13 GMT
Not sure what to think about Taylor yet. Glad I haven't got to decide. A thought occurs though: don't I remember Rickie Lambert's goals drying up badly for quite a spell during the second half of a season? Maybe Taylor will explode into goals!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2014 12:49:58 GMT
well i will take 5 wins and 2 draws from the next 7 games,,i think cunnington,taylor and harrison have played well during our good run despite not scoring many goals,,i think they have kept opposing defenders busy and uncomfortable unlike harrold and beardsley last season
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Post by fanboy on Oct 6, 2014 12:56:36 GMT
Taylor showed last year by scoring 6 in 6 on loan at Chester that he has goal scoring ability. That was at the end of the season, i've seen a few of the goals and they show he can finish... honestly I'm prepared to give him some time. We've had better players that started poorly. We are still getting results... we were always going to drop points at some point at home and Dover is a nice little kick up the ass without destroying our morale. We go again tomorrow night and I'm backing Taylor to grab one. UTG
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2014 13:37:50 GMT
In all truth, the goal scorer we need is not with us at present. I like Taylor who does a lot of good running, but no end product. I like EH, as an impact sub. Didn't think much of him at Eastleigh, or when he came on Saturday. He loses the ball and stops. Jamie White doesn't look likely either. I am sure DC has his favourites, as he showed Saturday when we played against a big stocky side and yet he takes Cunnington off and leaves MT on. Sorry DC you were wrong to do that. NH must realise that if we don't go up this season, the full loss of league funding hits next season, and that amounts to £750 k per annum. It has got to be more sensible to go for it and invest £2-300,000 on a front pair to give us a far better chance of going up. Saturday was a case in point. We should have been up at least 3-1 on chances by the time Dover got their leveller. That is two more points given away. They would have had us joint second. The problem is I don't think NH has the confidence in DC to trust him to spend that money on decent strikers. After all he brought in MT and JW, and neither are doing it. Great post. Agree 100%. I just hope genuine lessons have been learned about not getting the right player in, from last season. I worry that we have not learned from that though.
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Post by malmersgas on Oct 6, 2014 16:59:04 GMT
Didn't it take Jason Roberts ages to get going? And then, well, the rest is history.
I will give Taylor and the rest a good crack before I judge. Keep the faith, people!
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Post by vivalagas on Oct 7, 2014 0:31:16 GMT
I'd player him on the wing, I'm sure he'll be able to glide past most fullbacks one on one at this level, and produce an alright cross... we gotta give Harrison a run of games starting up front, He's our best and most natural goal scorer IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2014 22:10:43 GMT
Outstanding tonight.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 7, 2014 22:11:42 GMT
Wow! Really? I don't think anyone was even close to being outstanding tonight.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2014 22:18:50 GMT
Taylor showed last year by scoring 6 in 6 on loan at Chester that he has goal scoring ability. That was at the end of the season, i've seen a few of the goals and they show he can finish... honestly I'm prepared to give him some time. We've had better players that started poorly. We are still getting results... we were always going to drop points at some point at home and Dover is a nice little kick up the ass without destroying our morale . We go again tomorrow night and I'm backing Taylor to grab one. UTG Great shout! Definite Man of Match tonight. Well done Matty Taylor.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2014 23:07:09 GMT
Still didn't score (from open play) though :/
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2014 23:11:20 GMT
To be fair, two of his efforts were good efforts from only half chances which forced the keeper into good saves. He really needs one of those to go in. Overall, he's a very good football player - in terms of touch, movement, pace etc. As i've said before, if his finishing was top notch there's no way he'd be in the conference.
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Post by socrates on Oct 7, 2014 23:11:27 GMT
I thought Cunnington was excellent tonight , won most of his headers and often headed them straight to Taylor but Taylor just lost the ball straight away. Taylor 6 out of 10 Cunnington ( who must be pulling his hair out at lack of support). 8 out of 10
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