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Post by tomylil on Oct 11, 2018 15:11:59 GMT
I haven't bothered to reply to this post before, but every time I see the title on the front page it irritates me. so here's my reply: Utter Shyte. Have a word with yourself. Who else could we get that could replace DC? I will tell you, when he goes the club will receive at least 30 applications. Dc has to go. Ask yourself this. Who else would regulary pick a striker who has scored ONCE in 54 games? Who would play our best attacking central midfielder out wide? Who would constantly moan about a lack of investment even though he has a development squad for the first time, and a squad that is far to big. Who else would watch a striker score, and then drop him the following game to play the useless 1 goal in 54 Nicholls. I could go on but you only have to look at the gates that are dropping at home and the fact that the away support is almost half what it was this time last season. DC is just a good lower league manager. He treats the squad like they play for Chelsea, with constant changes, and yet, this season he has made more changes than Chelsea, and no I wouldn't want Holloway back either, another complete arse I like DC but it's hard to argue with much of what you say.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 11, 2018 15:19:02 GMT
I haven't bothered to reply to this post before, but every time I see the title on the front page it irritates me. so here's my reply: Utter Shyte. Have a word with yourself. Who else could we get that could replace DC? I will tell you, when he goes the club will receive at least 30 applications. Dc has to go. Ask yourself this. Who else would regulary pick a striker who has scored ONCE in 54 games? Who would play our best attacking central midfielder out wide? Who would constantly moan about a lack of investment even though he has a development squad for the first time, and a squad that is far to big. Who else would watch a striker score, and then drop him the following game to play the useless 1 goal in 54 Nicholls. I could go on but you only have to look at the gates that are dropping at home and the fact that the away support is almost half what it was this time last season. DC is just a good lower league manager. He treats the squad like they play for Chelsea, with constant changes, and yet, this season he has made more changes than Chelsea, and no I wouldn't want Holloway back either, another complete arse When again who else would have dragged this club out of the Conference, though Div 2 and then given us two mid table finishes in Div 1 whilst producing 3 Championship strikers, not some presently out of work manager who'll be able to apply for the job if DC leaves.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2018 15:20:43 GMT
The very wise Yoda once said something along the lines of "failure is a great teacher". Francis had a terrible start at Exeter, Buckle and Atkins had much success before joining us. Who would you rather have? DC has done an unbelievable job. He has had a lot of success and with his hands effectively tied by having to sell his best players. Personally, I think when Parts and Sercs are fully fit we will look a much better team and this experience will help DC be a better manager. With a bit more fortune we could have beaten Rochdale and Walsall (not saying we deserved it) but a couple of inches were all that cost us. I do worry about Marcus recruitment as I heard he recommended Gosling and Nichols. Hopefully one or stickers can nick a goal tomorrow and boost their confidence. If not DC has to have the funds to get someone like Stockley. I heard he was a major target but we just couldn't afford him. Yes Stewart recommended Nichols, lets hope he never becomes manager. We could have afforded Stockley if, we had put in Nicholls as part-ex and not wasted money on more central midfielders Marcus stewart was a fine player for the club,he has also served as assistant manager during two promotions and two mid table league one finishes. Nobody knows the exact process involved in signing nichols or how much it had to do with marcus. Your comments amount to a disgusting betrayal of a great club servant in my view.
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 11, 2018 15:25:09 GMT
Perhaps what lpgas says is factually correct but you don’t have to accept the implication of it. You could of course add to the facts list by adding he has lost arguably his best three attacking players in the last few windows. The promises that were probably made to him to persuade him to sign a 5 year contract in Summer 2016 have probably been broken. DC is not perfect but he’s our “not perfect” manager who gets us and understands the club and fans. And the most important fact is he’s not even half way through that 5 year contract yet so I can’t imagine anyone from BRFC will end it because that would need a big pay off which I suspect we haven’t got. And in the end the 5 year contract is there to protect both sides! Rovers, if he gets pinched get a good compensation sum, DC if the going gets tough, as it is at the moment, gets more time and some protection. Good, the contract is doing what we all wanted it to do when he signed just over two years ago. So yes, lpgas did state some facts but let’s not be too selective and leave out some other facts!! 😉 UTG!
ps since I started writing this post Topper has added another good post.
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Post by lpgas on Oct 12, 2018 0:18:31 GMT
Yes Stewart recommended Nichols, lets hope he never becomes manager. We could have afforded Stockley if, we had put in Nicholls as part-ex and not wasted money on more central midfielders Marcus stewart was a fine player for the club,he has also served as assistant manager during two promotions and two mid table league one finishes. Nobody knows the exact process involved in signing nichols or how much it had to do with marcus. Your comments amount to a disgusting betrayal of a great club servant in my view. Stewart was with Nichols at Exeter City, he was training him, and believe me he told DC that he was a player worth signing. Only on this point am I "in the know".
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Post by lpgas on Oct 12, 2018 0:24:55 GMT
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Post by lpgas on Oct 12, 2018 0:31:35 GMT
Bristol Rovers have signed Peterborough United striker Tom Nichols for an undisclosed fee. The 23-year-old forward has signed a undisclosed-length contract with the League One club. Nichols joined Posh from Exeter City on a four-and-a-half year deal in February 2016, scoring 13 goals last season. "I'm delighted to be signing a player, who in my opinion is a top-class striker," said Rovers manager Darrell Clarke. From the BBC
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2018 0:48:06 GMT
Marcus stewart was a fine player for the club,he has also served as assistant manager during two promotions and two mid table league one finishes. Nobody knows the exact process involved in signing nichols or how much it had to do with marcus. Your comments amount to a disgusting betrayal of a great club servant in my view. Stewart was with Nichols at Exeter City, he was training him, and believe me he told DC that he was a player worth signing. Only on this point am I "in the know". The signing of nichols does not undo all the great things marcus stewart or for that matter darrell clarke have done at rovers. Like i said before on here demanding the sacking of the manager after 4 fantastic seasons only 12 games into the current season is pretty sad. I would prefer marcus to be our manager than most of the people on the circuit as well i should add.
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Oct 12, 2018 5:00:11 GMT
My view is that every good manager can have a bad season. You could have a league where the 24 greatest managers ever are competing and there is no point getting rid of any of them because the 25th best manager just isn't up to the standard of the 24 in question yet still, ultimately, four of those 24 would suffer the bitter pill of relegation and only three would taste the success of promotion. I admire a club like Burnley who realised that they perhaps hadn't given their manager the tools and backing enough in order for him to sustain them at the level they found themselves but recognised that they had an outstanding young manager in Dyche and put right their error by not only backing him to regain that lost status but also by supplying him with the ammunition to make sure they stayed there second time around.
Not surprising for someone preaching loyalty to DC that I do not find his showing an almost pathological support for Nichols, and prior to that James, as a fault that would mean I could not face having him as the gaffer any more. He's shown in the way he rebuilt the values and the attitude of the Rovers that he is made of the right stuff to continue to lead us. To me that dogged determination to kick us on and the philosophy that every game is a winnable one even when you're behind is what I want from our boss. Yes he tinkers, and sometimes we go from plan A through B, C and D in the same game....but just remember all those successive incumbents who were bemoaned every week because they only had plan A.
I suffered an extremely bad reaction to my fellow Gasheads when their continued pressuring eventually forced the board to cave in and kick out our last young promising manager in Trollope. I stopped going to home games because I did not want to stand united with those that had stabbed him in the back, I was even glad that the clueless Patterson and Penney were giving Gasheads a taste of what a truly shocking manager can do, and ended up only going to two more away games that season. I "called a truce" in the close season, renewed my season ticket and returned to the Gas family enduring some more tortuous seasons of calamity until finally DC put us back on the right road. If the Gashead faithless succeed in engineering the exit of DC, and with the current board less soundly backed by the fans it is possible they may try to win a few popularity points off of the baying minority mob that has an admittedly growing voice, by dismissing him, then I reckon my reaction this time will be ten times worse.
I honestly thought I'd be gutted the day he left for pastures new on his own initiative, the thought that fan pressure might force him to quit or the board to sack him never entered my mind. In these days of the instant I want, I want, I must have or else, accepting you've got the makings of getting what you want over a longer time frame but with some bumps in the road just does not seem to be fashionable. Let's just hope we're not about to descend into another cataclysmic decline because some fans cannot see further than the nose on their face.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2018 5:44:12 GMT
My view is that every good manager can have a bad season. You could have a league where the 24 greatest managers ever are competing and there is no point getting rid of any of them because the 25th best manager just isn't up to the standard of the 24 in question yet still, ultimately, four of those 24 would suffer the bitter pill of relegation and only three would taste the success of promotion. I admire a club like Burnley who realised that they perhaps hadn't given their manager the tools and backing enough in order for him to sustain them at the level they found themselves but recognised that they had an outstanding young manager in Dyche and put right their error by not only backing him to regain that lost status but also by supplying him with the ammunition to make sure they stayed there second time around. Not surprising for someone preaching loyalty to DC that I do not find his showing an almost pathological support for Nichols, and prior to that James, as a fault that would mean I could not face having him as the gaffer any more. He's shown in the way he rebuilt the values and the attitude of the Rovers that he is made of the right stuff to continue to lead us. To me that dogged determination to kick us on and the philosophy that every game is a winnable one even when you're behind is what I want from our boss. Yes he tinkers, and sometimes we go from plan A through B, C and D in the same game....but just remember all those successive incumbents who were bemoaned every week because they only had plan A. I suffered an extremely bad reaction to my fellow Gasheads when their continued pressuring eventually forced the board to cave in and kick out our last young promising manager in Trollope. I stopped going to home games because I did not want to stand united with those that had stabbed him in the back, I was even glad that the clueless Patterson and Penney were giving Gasheads a taste of what a truly shocking manager can do, and ended up only going to two more away games that season. I "called a truce" in the close season, renewed my season ticket and returned to the Gas family enduring some more tortuous seasons of calamity until finally DC put us back on the right road. If the Gashead faithless succeed in engineering the exit of DC, and with the current board less soundly backed by the fans it is possible they may try to win a few popularity points off of the baying minority mob that has an admittedly growing voice, by dismissing him, then I reckon my reaction this time will be ten times worse. I honestly thought I'd be gutted the day he left for pastures new on his own initiative, the thought that fan pressure might force him to quit or the board to sack him never entered my mind. In these days of the instant I want, I want, I must have or else, accepting you've got the makings of getting what you want over a longer time frame but with some bumps in the road just does not seem to be fashionable. Let's just hope we're not about to descend into another cataclysmic decline because some fans cannot see further than the nose on their face. What a superb post. Probably the best one on this entire debate. Well said sir.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2018 5:44:45 GMT
Stewart was with Nichols at Exeter City, he was training him, and believe me he told DC that he was a player worth signing. Only on this point am I "in the know". The signing of nichols does not undo all the great things marcus stewart or for that matter darrell clarke have done at rovers. Like i said before on here demanding the sacking of the manager after 4 fantastic seasons only 12 games into the current season is pretty sad. I would prefer marcus to be our manager than most of the people on the circuit as well i should add. Spot on.
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Post by blueridge on Oct 12, 2018 7:29:19 GMT
The signing of nichols does not undo all the great things marcus stewart or for that matter darrell clarke have done at rovers. Like i said before on here demanding the sacking of the manager after 4 fantastic seasons only 12 games into the current season is pretty sad. I would prefer marcus to be our manager than most of the people on the circuit as well i should add. Spot on. Not quite spot on - the bad management of the team goes back not just 12 games but nearer 30 - back to the end of January. Since then, like it or not his management has been terrible. No one is "demanding the sacking" (apart from maybe one poster) but people have opinions that differ - there are arguments for and against keeping him - bit like the current owners.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 12, 2018 7:49:11 GMT
My view is that every good manager can have a bad season. You could have a league where the 24 greatest managers ever are competing and there is no point getting rid of any of them because the 25th best manager just isn't up to the standard of the 24 in question yet still, ultimately, four of those 24 would suffer the bitter pill of relegation and only three would taste the success of promotion. I admire a club like Burnley who realised that they perhaps hadn't given their manager the tools and backing enough in order for him to sustain them at the level they found themselves but recognised that they had an outstanding young manager in Dyche and put right their error by not only backing him to regain that lost status but also by supplying him with the ammunition to make sure they stayed there second time around. Not surprising for someone preaching loyalty to DC that I do not find his showing an almost pathological support for Nichols, and prior to that James, as a fault that would mean I could not face having him as the gaffer any more. He's shown in the way he rebuilt the values and the attitude of the Rovers that he is made of the right stuff to continue to lead us. To me that dogged determination to kick us on and the philosophy that every game is a winnable one even when you're behind is what I want from our boss. Yes he tinkers, and sometimes we go from plan A through B, C and D in the same game....but just remember all those successive incumbents who were bemoaned every week because they only had plan A. I suffered an extremely bad reaction to my fellow Gasheads when their continued pressuring eventually forced the board to cave in and kick out our last young promising manager in Trollope. I stopped going to home games because I did not want to stand united with those that had stabbed him in the back, I was even glad that the clueless Patterson and Penney were giving Gasheads a taste of what a truly shocking manager can do, and ended up only going to two more away games that season. I "called a truce" in the close season, renewed my season ticket and returned to the Gas family enduring some more tortuous seasons of calamity until finally DC put us back on the right road. If the Gashead faithless succeed in engineering the exit of DC, and with the current board less soundly backed by the fans it is possible they may try to win a few popularity points off of the baying minority mob that has an admittedly growing voice, by dismissing him, then I reckon my reaction this time will be ten times worse. I honestly thought I'd be gutted the day he left for pastures new on his own initiative, the thought that fan pressure might force him to quit or the board to sack him never entered my mind. In these days of the instant I want, I want, I must have or else, accepting you've got the makings of getting what you want over a longer time frame but with some bumps in the road just does not seem to be fashionable. Let's just hope we're not about to descend into another cataclysmic decline because some fans cannot see further than the nose on their face. What a superb post. Probably the best one on this entire debate. Well said sir. Trollope wasn't a promising young manager. He was completely lost without Lawrence. Even after many years as assistant to Houghton his next managerial post (Cardiff) ended short time after a disastrous few months. Colin went there and transformed the team with not much money. Trollope was the reason we went down that season, he didn't have a clue.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 12, 2018 7:56:33 GMT
I haven't bothered to reply to this post before, but every time I see the title on the front page it irritates me. so here's my reply: Utter Shyte. Have a word with yourself. Who else could we get that could replace DC? I will tell you, when he goes the club will receive at least 30 applications. Dc has to go. Ask yourself this. Who else would regulary pick a striker who has scored ONCE in 54 games? Who would play our best attacking central midfielder out wide? Who would constantly moan about a lack of investment even though he has a development squad for the first time, and a squad that is far to big. Who else would watch a striker score, and then drop him the following game to play the useless 1 goal in 54 Nicholls. I could go on but you only have to look at the gates that are dropping at home and the fact that the away support is almost half what it was this time last season. DC is just a good lower league manager. He treats the squad like they play for Chelsea, with constant changes, and yet, this season he has made more changes than Chelsea, and no I wouldn't want Holloway back either, another complete arse AYeah, we'd get 30 + applications, most of them failed journeymen on the managerial circuit. Of course DC needs to tailor his managerial style, a settled team without 4, 5 or 6 changes every week, and not blindly stick with certain players are obvious flaws. Instead of treating every game as a project he should let the opposition worry about us. I agree about Hollowhead, a complete joke who has been found out and has passed his sell-by date.
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Oct 12, 2018 8:40:15 GMT
What a superb post. Probably the best one on this entire debate. Well said sir. Trollope wasn't a promising young manager. He was completely lost without Lawrence. Even after many years as assistant to Houghton his next managerial post (Cardiff) ended short time after a disastrous few months. Colin went there and transformed the team with not much money. Trollope was the reason we went down that season, he didn't have a clue. Of course the simple answer to that is that if you extrapolate his points per game during his part of that season over the full campaign then we'd have stayed up, only just, but we would have done so. Yes I think he made some bad personnel calls that season and when we lost we lost badly, but as I mentioned earlier all good managers can have one bad season. If he had been backed and we stayed up then he would have earned another season to sink or swim (like Rofe did and sank, or like Francis did and swam). The fact that it was in his first tricky spell as a manager on his own that he was unceremoniously dumped is what stuck in the throat for me. Who knows, he might never have had to retreat to the relatively safe seat of being a good number two if he'd got over that rough patch with us. As for his spell at Cardiff - well that never was really his team was it? Anyway better not rake up those old coals again...better stay on topic.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2018 9:03:40 GMT
My view is that every good manager can have a bad season. You could have a league where the 24 greatest managers ever are competing and there is no point getting rid of any of them because the 25th best manager just isn't up to the standard of the 24 in question yet still, ultimately, four of those 24 would suffer the bitter pill of relegation and only three would taste the success of promotion. I admire a club like Burnley who realised that they perhaps hadn't given their manager the tools and backing enough in order for him to sustain them at the level they found themselves but recognised that they had an outstanding young manager in Dyche and put right their error by not only backing him to regain that lost status but also by supplying him with the ammunition to make sure they stayed there second time around. Not surprising for someone preaching loyalty to DC that I do not find his showing an almost pathological support for Nichols, and prior to that James, as a fault that would mean I could not face having him as the gaffer any more. He's shown in the way he rebuilt the values and the attitude of the Rovers that he is made of the right stuff to continue to lead us. To me that dogged determination to kick us on and the philosophy that every game is a winnable one even when you're behind is what I want from our boss. Yes he tinkers, and sometimes we go from plan A through B, C and D in the same game....but just remember all those successive incumbents who were bemoaned every week because they only had plan A. I suffered an extremely bad reaction to my fellow Gasheads when their continued pressuring eventually forced the board to cave in and kick out our last young promising manager in Trollope. I stopped going to home games because I did not want to stand united with those that had stabbed him in the back, I was even glad that the clueless Patterson and Penney were giving Gasheads a taste of what a truly shocking manager can do, and ended up only going to two more away games that season. I "called a truce" in the close season, renewed my season ticket and returned to the Gas family enduring some more tortuous seasons of calamity until finally DC put us back on the right road. If the Gashead faithless succeed in engineering the exit of DC, and with the current board less soundly backed by the fans it is possible they may try to win a few popularity points off of the baying minority mob that has an admittedly growing voice, by dismissing him, then I reckon my reaction this time will be ten times worse. I honestly thought I'd be gutted the day he left for pastures new on his own initiative, the thought that fan pressure might force him to quit or the board to sack him never entered my mind. In these days of the instant I want, I want, I must have or else, accepting you've got the makings of getting what you want over a longer time frame but with some bumps in the road just does not seem to be fashionable. Let's just hope we're not about to descend into another cataclysmic decline because some fans cannot see further than the nose on their face. Well said mate.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2018 10:29:18 GMT
Not quite spot on - the bad management of the team goes back not just 12 games but nearer 30 - back to the end of January. Since then, like it or not his management has been terrible. No one is "demanding the sacking" (apart from maybe one poster) but people have opinions that differ - there are arguments for and against keeping him - bit like the current owners. You say "like it or not" as if the assertion that his management has been terrible is a fact, whether we be assessing it over the 12 games this season or bringing last season into the equation. Personally, I'd disagree with that and suggest that he has done and continues to do a good job under some very trying circumstances. We'd all do some things differently for sure (another thread has shown that) but I find it very difficult to know who might have done a better job.
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Post by markczgas on Oct 12, 2018 12:36:45 GMT
Trollope wasn't a promising young manager. He was completely lost without Lawrence. Even after many years as assistant to Houghton his next managerial post (Cardiff) ended short time after a disastrous few months. Colin went there and transformed the team with not much money. Trollope was the reason we went down that season, he didn't have a clue. Of course the simple answer to that is that if you extrapolate his points per game during his part of that season over the full campaign then we'd have stayed up, only just, but we would have done so. Yes I think he made some bad personnel calls that season and when we lost we lost badly, but as I mentioned earlier all good managers can have one bad season. If he had been backed and we stayed up then he would have earned another season to sink or swim (like Rofe did and sank, or like Francis did and swam). The fact that it was in his first tricky spell as a manager on his own that he was unceremoniously dumped is what stuck in the throat for me. Who knows, he might never have had to retreat to the relatively safe seat of being a good number two if he'd got over that rough patch with us. As for his spell at Cardiff - well that never was really his team was it? Anyway better not rake up those old coals again...better stay on topic. So why did Trollope not become a good manager anywhere else after leaving Rovers ? I think the evidence was quite clear - with Lawrence he did a great job but on his own he couldn't hack it ?? A top coach though - saw him coaching in the flesh.
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 12, 2018 12:58:23 GMT
Of course the simple answer to that is that if you extrapolate his points per game during his part of that season over the full campaign then we'd have stayed up, only just, but we would have done so. Yes I think he made some bad personnel calls that season and when we lost we lost badly, but as I mentioned earlier all good managers can have one bad season. If he had been backed and we stayed up then he would have earned another season to sink or swim (like Rofe did and sank, or like Francis did and swam). The fact that it was in his first tricky spell as a manager on his own that he was unceremoniously dumped is what stuck in the throat for me. Who knows, he might never have had to retreat to the relatively safe seat of being a good number two if he'd got over that rough patch with us. As for his spell at Cardiff - well that never was really his team was it? Anyway better not rake up those old coals again...better stay on topic. So why did Trollope not become a good manager anywhere else after leaving Rovers ? I think the evidence was quite clear - with Lawrence he did a great job but on his own he couldn't hack it ?? A top coach though - saw him coaching in the flesh. Managers are a dying breed in football now, give it 20 years and most clubs will have a two tiered management system with a Sporting Director/Director of Football looking after recruitment, philosophy, youth and then a First Team Coach who will look after first team affairs.
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