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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2014 14:52:01 GMT
You are correct. The reason no Police were there was because it was not deemed neccessary, there is no ill feeling between dartford and ourselves and to our credit a Police presence was unwarranted. But you are correct that surely after a serious allegation has been made by a visiting player to the extent that the game was held up, the perpatrators name/details should have been taken, if he is innocent then no harm is done either way, but the way it has now been handled means we have media etc now looking for the man in question. Our policies at the club need looking into and lessons must be learnt from this. The steward should have stopped the verbal abuse or called someone who could, Jason has said it was the repeated nature of the abuse that eventually made him think "no more". If the steward had acted quickly the player wouldn't have needed to make his stand and the uproar of the last 4 days could have been avoided. Could it be stewards only have authority to reject fans and not take their personal details, as a PC can? Even if he did take is name he could have always given a false one as I doubt that's a crime anyway? I'm guessing that the steward wasn't even aware the abuse could be considered racist as I doubt that's covered in their training? Good points topper. On your final comment though, all stewards at football matches have had training covering racist behaviour etc, this was confirmed by Dave Harper on Thursday. so lets hope we have given out stewards the neccesary training. I still am confused that Dave Harper also said "We don't know his name but he is well known to the club"
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Oct 11, 2014 15:31:46 GMT
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 11, 2014 15:31:46 GMT
Perhaps he does something similar regularly? Although if he's that well know you'd have fought he could be traced w/o the need for CCTV?
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Morons
Oct 12, 2014 7:48:29 GMT
Post by oldgas on Oct 12, 2014 7:48:29 GMT
The law surrounding this incident is the Public Order Act. Section4, 4a and 5 deal with public order issues. They are things loke using words or behaviour loikely to cause a person harassment, alarm or distress. These matters are summary only, so are dealt with in the Magistrates Court. W
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Oct 12, 2014 7:56:00 GMT
Post by oldgas on Oct 12, 2014 7:56:00 GMT
I don't know what happened there! I was going to say that when a racist element is introduced into the equation then tne perceived seriousness is rampep-up several notches and the ofence becomes racially aggravated. A 2 year prion sentence can be added to the punishment and the matter, Ibelieve, becomr
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Oct 12, 2014 8:03:17 GMT
Post by oldgas on Oct 12, 2014 8:03:17 GMT
Stupid computer! Can't be bothered to add anymore, I'm sure you get the drift. They now need to get the evidence, someone who can confirm whatever the keeper claims was said. I am surprised that with all the noise in the ground he was able to distinguish a certain comment with such clarity. Some people look for this, I believe this guy has form? What if he misheard something like "Oi, you stupid effing bald nutter?" Not particularly pleasant, but the sort of thing one might expect at a football match. We shall never know, and unless there is absolutely compelling evidence I will not be convinced.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2014 9:03:49 GMT
Stupid computer! Can't be bothered to add anymore, I'm sure you get the drift. They now need to get the evidence, someone who can confirm whatever the keeper claims was said. I am surprised that with all the noise in the ground he was able to distinguish a certain comment with such clarity. Some people look for this, I believe this guy has form? What if he misheard something like "Oi, you stupid effing bald nutter?" Not particularly pleasant, but the sort of thing one might expect at a football match. We shall never know, and unless there is absolutely compelling evidence I will not be convinced. They now need to get the evidence, someone who can confirm whatever the keeper claims was said
Plenty of quotes around if you care to look - Gasheads in the vicinity have said they heard - "F....ing Malteaser", "Chocolate Brownie" and "Golly Wog and Wog" the last quote of which has been emailed to the club along with other evidence of this horrible mans behaviour. I believe this guy has form?Ridiculous comment. So because he has been abused before and reported it, that somehow gives you justification to doubt him this time. Unbelievable. As Hugo said on another thread we don't have a big problem, but we need to get rid of the small element that are doing their best to ruin what was once a family club with a good reputation. I'd like to think 99% want to sort it out, unfortunately i have to say a few are in denial, and no it is not just a river before someone cracks that one. Defend the fact we have great fans in the majority Yes, but let's not defend a minority who couldn't give a damn about their clubs reputation.
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Oct 12, 2014 10:13:29 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2014 10:13:29 GMT
This should be sorted like they do in Glasgow with Sectarianism.
No place for gobby gits who think they can do what they want, it brings shame on us - Sort it out Rovers!
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Nov 10, 2014 13:44:07 GMT
Post by Mark Ash on Nov 10, 2014 13:44:07 GMT
Just sent this to David Harper and Ian Holtby: Ian, David, I feel extremely angry, upset, and let down by the reports of the racial abuse aimed at the Dartford Goalkeeper last night, and the inactivity of the Steward nearby. I wonder how well trained and briefed the stewards are in dealing with incidents such as this? In my experience stewards at most grounds don't know how to react when anything happens, let alone disgraceful racial abuse. BRFC must address this and ensure stewards have a clear course of action to follow. I understand that one steward can't act alone for reasons of personal safety and security, but there must be a well documented and practised course of action for them to follow when this sort of thing happens - otherwise what's the point of them being there? Can you reassure me that this will be addressed urgently by a thorough review of procedures to ensure that this is not tolerated and any sign of racial (or any other exceptional) abuse results in appropriate prompt action when this sort of vile abuse occurs? Apologies if you are not the correct people to address this issue. If this is the case, please could you pass this on to the appropriate person(s). Thanks and Regards Hi Rod - remember this? I was wondering whether you ever got a reply, or did I miss it?
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Apr 7, 2015 15:48:12 GMT
Good news. The fan who racially abused Dartford Keeper Jason Brown has been dealt with. Well done to our club for acting swiftly, our supporters for immediately condemning it, to the Police for following it up/charging the man and also well done Jason Brown for not tolerating the abuse and standing up to it.
We don't need it, we don't want it and we won't tolerate it as supporters or as a club.
UTG
Article: John Wild, a 43-year-old from Wotton-under-edge, appeared before Bristol Magistrates Courts last week and was convicted of racially abusing Dartford goalkeeper Jason Brown during a game at the Memorial Stadium last October.
He has been banned from watching football for three years and has to carry out 12 months community service. Also he has to pay compensation to Brown as well as court fees.
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Post by blackthorngas on Apr 7, 2015 17:30:59 GMT
That's really good. I wasn't even aware they'd got the culprit. It had all gone quiet so I assumed it had died a death. Certainly sends out a strong message.
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Post by joebananas67 on Apr 7, 2015 17:48:34 GMT
If ever a thread highlighted what a total idiot GGMI is it is this one.
Delighted the guy was prosecuted and just a shame we cannot prosecute individuals who condone such a serious crime as racism
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Post by Rod1883 on Apr 7, 2015 18:07:22 GMT
Good News, great to see positive action from the club.
Markash, sorry I didn't appear to reply to your question above, I recall seeing it and could have sworn I had replied. Anyway, yes I did get a response from David Harper a week or so after sending my question. His response, which I thought was good:
Thanks for your email. The enquiry into this matter is still ongoing but I can reassure you that there is a procedure in place to deal with matters like this. I cannot comment further at this stage except to say that that there are several issues being investigated with the club, the police and the FA. This club does not condone any form of racism but the actions of one individual has resulted in the clubs name being tarnished. We will continue to be proactive in our anti- racism campaigns and you will no doubt be aware that this coming Saturday we will be demonstrating a show of solidarity with a red card campaign as the teams take the field. Thanks again for your email. I can assure you that racist issues form part of steward training and I will be taking steps to reinforce that training over the following weeks
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Post by markczgas on Apr 7, 2015 20:50:32 GMT
Great News ! Racism is never too far away - don't turn a blind eye to it !
UTG !
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Apr 8, 2015 8:58:01 GMT
Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2015 8:58:01 GMT
Would be interesting to see how his employer is going to react to this given the seniority and 'professionalism' of his job.
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Apr 8, 2015 9:08:18 GMT
Post by newmarketgas on Apr 8, 2015 9:08:18 GMT
What is his job ?
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Post by empirebaypete on Apr 8, 2015 10:18:59 GMT
Not sure if it's appropriate or not to say on here, but if you google his name you might find him on linked in if you were so inclined. .... and thread about morons means I can post this.
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Post by newmarketgas on Apr 8, 2015 10:42:02 GMT
Good thinking. Cheers mate......I must be a Moran !
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Post by lpgas1 on Apr 8, 2015 17:19:05 GMT
I think it is , which reminds me; some years ago on an estate in Portsmouth the locals were protesting against paedophiles. There was a bloke actually on the BBC News with a placard which said "Hang all Paediatricians" Now he WAS a
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Morons
Apr 8, 2015 17:27:46 GMT
Post by newmarketgas on Apr 8, 2015 17:27:46 GMT
Moran !
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Apr 8, 2015 19:36:01 GMT
Post by Mark Ash on Apr 8, 2015 19:36:01 GMT
Good News, great to see positive action from the club. Markash, sorry I didn't appear to reply to your question above, I recall seeing it and could have sworn I had replied. Anyway, yes I did get a response from David Harper a week or so after sending my question. His response, which I thought was good: Thanks for your email. The enquiry into this matter is still ongoing but I can reassure you that there is a procedure in place to deal with matters like this. I cannot comment further at this stage except to say that that there are several issues being investigated with the club, the police and the FA. This club does not condone any form of racism but the actions of one individual has resulted in the clubs name being tarnished. We will continue to be proactive in our anti- racism campaigns and you will no doubt be aware that this coming Saturday we will be demonstrating a show of solidarity with a red card campaign as the teams take the field. Thanks again for your email. I can assure you that racist issues form part of steward training and I will be taking steps to reinforce that training over the following weeks I'm certain you did reply Rod. I remember reading it. Don't know where it went.
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