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Post by midlandgas213 on Oct 14, 2018 15:56:10 GMT
Sack the owners and manager, total crap both of them. Sorry but you cannot sack the owners Ok just sack the manager he is totally crap
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Post by midlandgas213 on Oct 14, 2018 15:57:08 GMT
Nine of the starting eleven and all three subs used were DC signings. If we're not good enough where does the blame lie? Ask DC he knows
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 14, 2018 16:59:23 GMT
It's great Steve picks on Locks who really did little wrong but conveniently overlooked the goal was down to Craig being easily beaten by a bit of clever footwork by the Burton goalscorer.
Once again this week it was narrow margins which cost us the game, with a bit of luck we could have won the last two league games in the last few minutes but managed to lose them both.
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Post by smudge1 on Oct 14, 2018 17:14:35 GMT
As usual Steve generally in agreement, agree about Upson too. Also i am taking a bit of a break from away games as,we are just not good to watch at the moment!
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Post by Marshy on Oct 14, 2018 17:17:10 GMT
As usual Steve generally in agreement, agree about Upson too. Also i am taking a bit of a break from away games as,we are just not good to watch at the moment! Anyone know how many Gas were there yesterday, I haven’t seen any figures for it?
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Oct 14, 2018 17:18:10 GMT
Sorry but you cannot sack the owners Ok just sack the manager he is totally crap I really don’t understand you. You do sometimes make some reasonable points that I want to agree with but I just can’t because of the ridiculous way you put them across and your constant need to bash DC means I lose all respect for them. Let’s be honest, we could finish 2nd in the PL behind the current Man City side and you’d criticise DC for costing us the title.
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Post by William Wilson on Oct 15, 2018 6:54:28 GMT
As usual Steve generally in agreement, agree about Upson too. Also i am taking a bit of a break from away games as,we are just not good to watch at the moment! It`s not the most enthralling of viewing at home either.
One up front, constant changing of the side, players told to play in positions that they`re clearly not suited to; there`s only one possible explanation, and it lies in the supernatural. John Ward is practicing some form of mind control over Darrell Clarke. Nothing else makes sense.
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Post by pirate49 on Oct 15, 2018 8:07:51 GMT
As usual Steve generally in agreement, agree about Upson too. Also i am taking a bit of a break from away games as,we are just not good to watch at the moment! John Ward is practicing some form of mind control over Darrell Clarke. Nothing else makes sense.
DC publicly said, ungraciously, early on in his management career that, 'John had lost his mojo.' Chickens coming home to roost?
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Post by mehewmagic on Oct 15, 2018 8:36:12 GMT
nottsgasheadal, Why I selected Lines and Upson is because they are both Footballersand I think Lines in more than capable of playing 25 yards further up the pitch than DC plays him. I think Lines is capable of playing there as he has the attributes, but I don’t think it’s DC who tells him to play deep, I think that’s how he chooses to play. I think Lines and Upson together in there would mean we’d have a very deep midfield with both looking to come and get the ball off the defenders. You've hit on a bigger issue I think and one most football clubs face, namely do you have central defenders and/or manager who can / want them to bring the ball out from the back. If you don't then you get a water carrier to go and collect it. They are then instantly 'deep'. I'll always remember Craig Stanley getting abuse for being boring, passing sideways, and a fetcher & carrier, but he had to as the central defenders never wanted it. Broadbent showed some intent last season with some good ball skills out of defence. I haven't seen him this season but heard that he's struggled defensively?
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Post by mehewmagic on Oct 15, 2018 8:43:14 GMT
Not there myself so cannot comment except to say your reports are usually very accurate. But your most telling comment to me is about DC where you say he has 'gone from being a very attacking Manager to a very negative Manager' which I totally agree with. One has to wonder WHY this is? Personally, I think the personnel is in the Club to be an attacking side and if only DC would pick a settled side with an attacking flair I think everything would change. Agree with some of that although he wasn't that attacking. It was always a case of surviving the first half, going in level, then having a real go in the second half . And with superior fitness, some skilled players & decent subs it worked well. At the moment the real problem with even attempting to play the above (not sure we are anyway...) is that we just don't have 'game changers' and also something seems to be going on with fitness / work rate / desire. My suspicion is that we were a little ahead of the game, re fitness, & now other clubs have caught up.
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Post by knowall on Oct 15, 2018 9:23:57 GMT
Not there myself so cannot comment except to say your reports are usually very accurate. But your most telling comment to me is about DC where you say he has 'gone from being a very attacking Manager to a very negative Manager' which I totally agree with. One has to wonder WHY this is? Personally, I think the personnel is in the Club to be an attacking side and if only DC would pick a settled side with an attacking flair I think everything would change. Agree with some of that although he wasn't that attacking. It was always a case of surviving the first half, going in level, then having a real go in the second half . And with superior fitness, some skilled players & decent subs it worked well. At the moment the real problem with even attempting to play the above (not sure we are anyway...) is that we just don't have 'game changers' and also something seems to be going on with fitness / work rate / desire. My suspicion is that we were a little ahead of the game, re fitness, & now other clubs have caught up. You might be right about the tactics but we have players who are capable of bringing the ball out of defense and from midfield and driving forward - Lines, Broadbent, O Clarke, Leadbitter, Sercombe for instance so why are they not doing that? Instead, we seem to either pass our way out - slowly and labourously which means the opposition can defend - or hoof the ball - in effect giving the ball to the opposition. Result in either scenario is we end up giving the ball away and defending.
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Oct 15, 2018 9:24:28 GMT
I think Lines is capable of playing there as he has the attributes, but I don’t think it’s DC who tells him to play deep, I think that’s how he chooses to play. I think Lines and Upson together in there would mean we’d have a very deep midfield with both looking to come and get the ball off the defenders. You've hit on a bigger issue I think and one most football clubs face, namely do you have central defenders and/or manager who can / want them to bring the ball out from the back. If you don't then you get a water carrier to go and collect it. They are then instantly 'deep'. I'll always remember Craig Stanley getting abuse for being boring, passing sideways, and a fetcher & carrier, but he had to as the central defenders never wanted it. Broadbent showed some intent last season with some good ball skills out of defence. I haven't seen him this season but heard that he's struggled defensively? I agree. But I don’t think it’s just our centre backs that don’t want to do this, I think pretty much all central defenders in England that can both defend and bring the ball out are playing in the Prem. Which is why a midfielder has to do this job. Having one of Lines or Upson or even maybe Ollie Clarke to do it is therefore probably a must unless if we have a big target man we can play the ball long to. But having your only 2 central midfielders doing it just sounds like an awfully defensive tactic to me.
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Post by z1zou on Oct 15, 2018 9:34:47 GMT
I don't want to say I give up... But it's bloody hard not to right now.
Exasperating at best.
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Post by socrates on Oct 15, 2018 17:01:08 GMT
Agree with some of that although he wasn't that attacking. It was always a case of surviving the first half, going in level, then having a real go in the second half . And with superior fitness, some skilled players & decent subs it worked well. At the moment the real problem with even attempting to play the above (not sure we are anyway...) is that we just don't have 'game changers' and also something seems to be going on with fitness / work rate / desire. My suspicion is that we were a little ahead of the game, re fitness, & now other clubs have caught up. You might be right about the tactics but we have players who are capable of bringing the ball out of defense and from midfield and driving forward - Lines, Broadbent, O Clarke, Leadbitter, Sercombe for instance so why are they not doing that? Instead, we seem to either pass our way out - slowly and labourously which means the opposition can defend - or hoof the ball - in effect giving the ball to the opposition. Result in either scenario is we end up giving the ball away and defending. Because we play with no width and any running or passing goes down the middle in to a dead end because it’s the same every week and other managers aren’t stupid. If I can see it then of course they can. DCs done his badges in the summer and come back with the most predictable, easy to play against, narrow tactics.
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Post by aghast on Oct 15, 2018 17:26:31 GMT
You might be right about the tactics but we have players who are capable of bringing the ball out of defense and from midfield and driving forward - Lines, Broadbent, O Clarke, Leadbitter, Sercombe for instance so why are they not doing that? Instead, we seem to either pass our way out - slowly and labourously which means the opposition can defend - or hoof the ball - in effect giving the ball to the opposition. Result in either scenario is we end up giving the ball away and defending. Because we play with no width and any running or passing goes down the middle in to a dead end because it’s the same every week and other managers aren’t stupid. If I can see it then of course they can. DCs done his badges in the summer and come back with the most predictable, easy to play against, narrow tactics. But if you can see it, and opposition managers can see it, then surely DC can see it too? I think it's down to the poor quality of the squad, not tactics. I suppose you could then argue that if he doesn't have the players able to play to his tactics, then he needs to change the tactics or the team. And he's opted to keep changing the team until he can find one which is able to play to his system.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 21:27:17 GMT
As usual Steve generally in agreement, agree about Upson too. Also i am taking a bit of a break from away games as,we are just not good to watch at the moment! It`s not the most enthralling of viewing at home either.
One up front, constant changing of the side, players told to play in positions that they`re clearly not suited to; there`s only one possible explanation, and it lies in the supernatural. John Ward is practicing some form of mind control over Darrell Clarke. Nothing else makes sense.
And the simple known fact that we have outstanding at home for four seasons makes it all the harder.
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Post by William Wilson on Oct 16, 2018 6:56:30 GMT
It`s not the most enthralling of viewing at home either.
One up front, constant changing of the side, players told to play in positions that they`re clearly not suited to; there`s only one possible explanation, and it lies in the supernatural. John Ward is practicing some form of mind control over Darrell Clarke. Nothing else makes sense.
And the simple known fact that we have outstanding at home for four seasons makes it all the harder. Absolutely. I don`t know what to make of the current situation. It`s as if Clarke has had a brainstorm.
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Post by markczgas on Oct 16, 2018 9:10:56 GMT
Because we play with no width and any running or passing goes down the middle in to a dead end because it’s the same every week and other managers aren’t stupid. If I can see it then of course they can. DCs done his badges in the summer and come back with the most predictable, easy to play against, narrow tactics. But if you can see it, and opposition managers can see it, then surely DC can see it too? I think it's down to the poor quality of the squad, not tactics.I suppose you could then argue that if he doesn't have the players able to play to his tactics, then he needs to change the tactics or the team. And he's opted to keep changing the team until he can find one which is able to play to his system. Are you saying Sercombe, Bennett, Ollie and Lines have no or poor ability on the ball ? We played some very good football with these guys last season, particularly at home.
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Post by socrates on Oct 16, 2018 9:20:49 GMT
The players are definitely good enough I’ve got no doubt about that. We’re struggling because we’re easy to play against with no width or pace in our side. Last game.. Sinclair right wing partington right back Rodman left wing J Clarke left back
No width and no pace.
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Post by GasLass on Oct 16, 2018 9:40:44 GMT
The players are definitely good enough I’ve got no doubt about that. We’re struggling because we’re easy to play against with no width or pace in our side. Last game.. Sinclair right wing partington right back Rodman left wing J Clarke left back No width and no pace. Agree 100% - would do better with matthews and leadbitter down the right side, more pace and with the right direction would be better width Left wing would put Kelly and Bennett But again thats all IMO
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