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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 6, 2018 8:19:40 GMT
Wael has no say in who the SC director is?? Surely it's only fans, more specifically SC members that make that judgement? Personally I think he's useless which is one of the reasons I'm not in the SC. Ironically, the only way for me to realistically do anything about it is to join the SC and support an alternative candidate should the chance arrise. Not strictly true. The board can refuse to allow an elected SC candidate onto the board if they so wish. Out of interest as KM ever attended a Board meeting with the new owners?
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 6, 2018 10:09:45 GMT
Not strictly true. The board can refuse to allow an elected SC candidate onto the board if they so wish. Out of interest as KM ever attended a Board meeting with the new owners? I don’t think the board have any meetings to be honest. I mean what can they honestly talk about. Wael: So the stadium: Not building it. Hani says no Training Ground: Not building it. Hani says no Mem redevelopment: Not doing it. Hani says no Giving DC a decent budget: Hani says no. Hamer: Can we just d.... Wael: Hani says no. Owners that don’t want to spend or invest and we have a chairman and a CEO that can’t stand the sight of each other. Does it actually fill you with confidence that anything will get done? No.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 10:15:58 GMT
Out of interest as KM ever attended a Board meeting with the new owners? I don’t think the board have any meetings to be honest. I mean what can they honestly talk about. Wael: So the stadium: Not building it. Hani says no Training Ground: Not building it. Hani says no Mem redevelopment: Not doing it. Hani says no Giving DC a decent budget: Hani says no. Hamer: Can we just d.... Wael: Hani says no. Owners that don’t want to spend or invest and we have a chairman and a CEO that can’t stand the sight of each other. Does it actually fill you with confidence that anything will get done? No. I think the Board meeting would actually be shorter than you suggest.... Wael: I'm not going to say anything, nor answer any questions, because everything is covered by NDA's. That's all. Bye everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 10:24:42 GMT
The closest we have come to hearing about what a board meeting consists of was during the infamous Crazy gang Q & A when Hamer was wheeled out to speak to Geoff about the UWE falling through. Hamer said he was going to sit down with Hani and talk about finances - obviously Wael was not invited or needed at such a meeting which really paints a picture of what use to the club Wael is. He is a president in name only and obviously lapping up the opportunity to go to junkets like that Coliseum gig to tell people all about the stadium he was never going to build.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 10:28:52 GMT
So, we have a CEO, a Chairman, and a President who gave up his work with the Jordanian FA to concentrate on Rovers, and not one of them can be bothered to appear at the Supporters Club AGM. They're just taking the water. This is worth a screen shot and putting it on every form of social media with our leaders tagged. Absolute joke I agree. Genuine question: Wael appeared at the AGM in his early days when the going was good right? It's not surprising, yet still lamentable, just how radical the shift in public appearances has been since the UWE was canned. I get that people say 'why appear if you are going to get stick' but this guy is the president, he should be visible and open to account come rain or shine and yet these days we see more of Halley's comet than we do of the figurehead of BRFC.
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Post by daniel300380 on Dec 6, 2018 11:00:38 GMT
This is worth a screen shot and putting it on every form of social media with our leaders tagged. Absolute joke I agree. Genuine question: Wael appeared at the AGM in his early days when the going was good right? It's not surprising, yet still lamentable, just how radical the shift in public appearances has been since the UWE was canned. I get that people say 'why appear if you are going to get stick' but this guy is the president, he should be visible and open to account come rain or shine and yet these days we see more of Halley's comet than we do of the figurehead of BRFC. Agree he should be there, if in the country. But if he's working away on other business, is he going to come back, just for a supporters club meeting??
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 6, 2018 12:39:14 GMT
Genuine question: Wael appeared at the AGM in his early days when the going was good right? It's not surprising, yet still lamentable, just how radical the shift in public appearances has been since the UWE was canned. I get that people say 'why appear if you are going to get stick' but this guy is the president, he should be visible and open to account come rain or shine and yet these days we see more of Halley's comet than we do of the figurehead of BRFC. Agree he should be there, if in the country. But if he's working away on other business, is he going to come back, just for a supporters club meeting?? Good times or bad, he’s is the president of the club and needs to lead it and show the type of leadership that inspires the management team to do all they can and us fans to show he is behind the club. Wael Al’Qadi is not showing that and has not shown that for the last 18 months. If he’s too thin skinned to have his tenture questioned by the SC members and take the criticism from fans and the media then quite frankly he needs to shape up and ship out because you need to be tough to survive. It’s that simple. His spineless approach isn’t working and doesn’t cut it with anyone.
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Post by peterparker on Dec 6, 2018 12:50:36 GMT
perhaps at the SC AGM, Ken Masters can tell us what goes on, perhaps it could be publicised to the whole fan base
I wont hold my breath though, and assume he will muddle on regardless as our representative
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Post by glengas on Dec 6, 2018 13:00:50 GMT
Surely if Wael can’t attend then the CEO or Chairman should attend. I get the distinct impression that the owners have no time for the organisation, which is a shame as for all the criticism there appears to be a lot of people giving up their time to raise money for the club.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 6, 2018 13:04:42 GMT
Out of interest as KM ever attended a Board meeting with the new owners? I don’t think the board have any meetings to be honest. I mean what can they honestly talk about. Wael: So the stadium: Not building it. Hani says no Training Ground: Not building it. Hani says no Mem redevelopment: Not doing it. Hani says no Giving DC a decent budget: Hani says no. Hamer: Can we just d.... Wael: Hani says no. Owners that don’t want to spend or invest and we have a chairman and a CEO that can’t stand the sight of each other. Does it actually fill you with confidence that anything will get done? No. Don't you think it's a disgrace that 2 grown men getting paid huge salaries should be allowed to carry on hating one another and not talking? They should both be ashamed of themselves. Grow up, and get on with running the club.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 6, 2018 13:05:54 GMT
Surely if Wael can’t attend then the CEO or Chairman should attend. I get the distinct impression that the owners have no time for the organisation, which is a shame as for all the criticism there appears to be a lot of people giving up their time to raise money for the club. If their view of the SC is informed by the person they elected to represent them then is it any wonder they are held in contempt?
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Post by baggins on Dec 6, 2018 13:08:36 GMT
I don’t think the board have any meetings to be honest. I mean what can they honestly talk about. Wael: So the stadium: Not building it. Hani says no Training Ground: Not building it. Hani says no Mem redevelopment: Not doing it. Hani says no Giving DC a decent budget: Hani says no. Hamer: Can we just d.... Wael: Hani says no. Owners that don’t want to spend or invest and we have a chairman and a CEO that can’t stand the sight of each other. Does it actually fill you with confidence that anything will get done? No. Don't you think it's a disgrace that 2 grown men getting paid huge salaries should be allowed to carry on hating one another and not talking? They should both be ashamed of themselves. Grow up, and get on with running the club. Didn't that happen at Microsoft?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 13:40:16 GMT
I don’t think the board have any meetings to be honest. I mean what can they honestly talk about. Wael: So the stadium: Not building it. Hani says no Training Ground: Not building it. Hani says no Mem redevelopment: Not doing it. Hani says no Giving DC a decent budget: Hani says no. Hamer: Can we just d.... Wael: Hani says no. Owners that don’t want to spend or invest and we have a chairman and a CEO that can’t stand the sight of each other. Does it actually fill you with confidence that anything will get done? No. Don't you think it's a disgrace that 2 grown men getting paid huge salaries should be allowed to carry on hating one another and not talking? They should both be ashamed of themselves. Grow up, and get on with running the club. Fact or fiction Hugo?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 15:38:58 GMT
Genuine question: Wael appeared at the AGM in his early days when the going was good right? It's not surprising, yet still lamentable, just how radical the shift in public appearances has been since the UWE was canned. I get that people say 'why appear if you are going to get stick' but this guy is the president, he should be visible and open to account come rain or shine and yet these days we see more of Halley's comet than we do of the figurehead of BRFC. Agree he should be there, if in the country. But if he's working away on other business, is he going to come back, just for a supporters club meeting?? Fair point, my question in response is: has he come back to make appearances before and would he be there even if he was in the country today? From what we know of Wael so far I would hazard a guess that he would have never missed a publicity attempt while his stock was high. Given how his only public appearance of late has been to bat away Geoff's questions (I'm discounting his appearances in the boxes as he isn't there primarily to address the fans) it seems to me he is lying low and would not be there tonight even if he had a business meeting in clifton this afternoon.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 6, 2018 15:49:59 GMT
Don't you think it's a disgrace that 2 grown men getting paid huge salaries should be allowed to carry on hating one another and not talking? They should both be ashamed of themselves. Grow up, and get on with running the club. Fact or fiction Hugo? Just taking what 81 said at face value. I dont think it's a well kept secret that they don't get on though.
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Post by utg12 on Dec 6, 2018 16:03:37 GMT
So, we have a CEO, a Chairman, and a President who gave up his work with the Jordanian FA to concentrate on Rovers, and not one of them can be bothered to appear at the Supporters Club AGM. They're just taking the water. The President is too busy uploading old pictures of Chelsea "legends" to his Intragram account by the looks of things. It really is bizarre how the ALQ's seem to have just lost interest in the club.
why are you assuming they had much interest at the start, other than to let Wael have a project.
No history with Rovers. No history with ownership of clubs.
The doesn't mean they will not be able to do a great job, but ...
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Post by utg12 on Dec 6, 2018 16:08:40 GMT
Presumably Ken does and Wael does, for different reasons. Wael has no say in who the SC director is?? Surely it's only fans, more specifically SC members that make that judgement? Personally I think he's useless which is one of the reasons I'm not in the SC. Ironically, the only way for me to realistically do anything about it is to join the SC and support an alternative candidate should the chance arrise.
catch 22.
I think it was the last election when someone credible did challenge the establishment, but BSS still got in. BSS wasn't bad, but it did smack of well known figure getting voted in, over someone who might actually help some change. to be fair, they did have 2 SC directors on board until the current owners forced them to reduce it to 1, and with 2 there at least they had different people - personalities around.
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Post by utg12 on Dec 6, 2018 16:12:39 GMT
Not strictly true. The board can refuse to allow an elected SC candidate onto the board if they so wish. Out of interest as KM ever attended a Board meeting with the new owners?
yes he has. his attendance or non-attendance is not the problem though. the problem is having an absent ownership who owns 92%+ of the shares, and puts in a strange system of governance, whilst also wishing to reduce the influence of the SC to as low as possible {what a surprise)
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Post by utg12 on Dec 6, 2018 16:19:41 GMT
Agree he should be there, if in the country. But if he's working away on other business, is he going to come back, just for a supporters club meeting?? Fair point, my question in response is: has he come back to make appearances before and would he be there even if he was in the country today? From what we know of Wael so far I would hazard a guess that he would have never missed a publicity attempt while his stock was high. Given how his only public appearance of late has been to bat away Geoff's questions (I'm discounting his appearances in the boxes as he isn't there primarily to address the fans) it seems to me he is lying low and would not be there tonight even if he had a business meeting in clifton this afternoon.
you are both right.
no one is expecting wael to come just for a SC AGM, but the club usually provides a toplevel person to go, and as there are 3 top level people around, two of whom are paid, you would expect someone to go.
It is very clear that the owners wish to marginalise the SC as much as possible. No real surprise though. They didn't want 2 of them on the Board. They don't want them having their own room (for their members) behind the terrace. They didn't really want them selling matchday tickets, merchandise or other functions many normal clubs would do themselves. if they could do it themselves they would happily sell the programme, do away travel etc themselves as well.
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Post by utg12 on Dec 6, 2018 16:26:09 GMT
Don't you think it's a disgrace that 2 grown men getting paid huge salaries should be allowed to carry on hating one another and not talking? They should both be ashamed of themselves. Grow up, and get on with running the club. Fact or fiction Hugo?
they don't hate each other.
BUT they do not talk to each other, and do not understand what each other is supposed to do and why and how they have both been employed.
neither are rovers fans, so they take their salaries and say thank you very much. They don't HAVE to get on or be mature because no-one is making them. It would be great if they could but they can get away without it, even though it means the club is going nowhere. I have some sympathy for them thought as they've been put into a silly structure {or lack of structure]
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