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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 7, 2019 20:58:46 GMT
He said he wouldn't sell the snake for millions. He kept changing his mind about the budget etc. Not blaming DC, most manager's tell the press what they want then to hear and don't give a lot away. Just making the point, you can't always trust what DC had to say. Taylor wasn’t sold for millions because his contract made sure of that, I don’t get your continued slagging off of DC and your defence of our owners who have shown themselves to be utter clueless as owners of Rovers. Continued slagging off of DC?? I was a DC fan, but it was the right time for him to go, when have I continually slagged him off?? Just saying he told lies to the press, like most manager's. I know why the 🐍 was sold, DC would have known about the clause though. Most would have done the same in his situation. I said I'm 50/50 on the board, because we just don't know what's happening. More signs pointing towards them wanting to progress us, than pointing towards them not wanting to IMO. I'm not going to say they are not doing anything, just because I don't know what is happening. But we know they don't waiste money, so they won't want to continue to lose millions every year, without a plan. Plus they increased the amount we are spending over the last year. Why do that, if they are not interested etc??? I'm asking for genuine answers and will listen to them. If I agree, my faith we go less than 50% lol. Out of interest why do you think, they raised the budget, hired a CEO etc in the last year. Personally don't think they would have, unless they still had long term ambitions. Can't see why else they would do that.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 7, 2019 21:15:30 GMT
Taylor wasn’t sold for millions because his contract made sure of that, I don’t get your continued slagging off of DC and your defence of our owners who have shown themselves to be utter clueless as owners of Rovers. Continued slagging off of DC?? I was a DC fan, but it was the right time for him to go, when have I continually slagged him off?? Just saying he told lies to the press, like most manager's. I know why the 🐍 was sold, DC would have known about the clause though. Most would have done the same in his situation. I said I'm 50/50 on the board, because we just don't know what's happening. More signs pointing towards them wanting to progress us, than pointing towards them not wanting to IMO. I'm not going to say they are not doing anything, just because I don't know what is happening. But we know they don't waiste money, so they won't want to continue to lose millions every year, without a plan. Plus they increased the amount we are spending over the last year. Why do that, if they are not interested etc??? I'm asking for genuine answers and will listen to them. If I agree, my faith we go less than 50% lol. Out of interest why do you think, they raised the budget, hired a CEO etc in the last year. Personally don't think they would have, unless they still had long term ambitions. Can't see why else they would do that. What signs? A meaningless statement saying they are not progressing with a new stadium nobody knows anything about? DC clearly got frustrated about something with the owners concerning their lack of progress with the new stadium. As far as the raised budget I assume DC convinced them they needed to spend more but TG's managed to bring in extra revenue with the shirt sponsorship etc so their actually costs to the owners maybe no greater than last season. Unless DC was lying(!) again it seems the budget is due to be cut substantially next season. As far as the CEO I assume he was brought in as they've had enough with Hamer who, at 68 this year, must surely be nearing retirement anyway?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 8, 2019 6:15:38 GMT
Continued slagging off of DC?? I was a DC fan, but it was the right time for him to go, when have I continually slagged him off?? Just saying he told lies to the press, like most manager's. I know why the 🐍 was sold, DC would have known about the clause though. Most would have done the same in his situation. I said I'm 50/50 on the board, because we just don't know what's happening. More signs pointing towards them wanting to progress us, than pointing towards them not wanting to IMO. I'm not going to say they are not doing anything, just because I don't know what is happening. But we know they don't waiste money, so they won't want to continue to lose millions every year, without a plan. Plus they increased the amount we are spending over the last year. Why do that, if they are not interested etc??? I'm asking for genuine answers and will listen to them. If I agree, my faith we go less than 50% lol. Out of interest why do you think, they raised the budget, hired a CEO etc in the last year. Personally don't think they would have, unless they still had long term ambitions. Can't see why else they would do that. What signs? A meaningless statement saying they are not progressing with a new stadium nobody knows anything about? DC clearly got frustrated about something with the owners concerning their lack of progress with the new stadium. As far as the raised budget I assume DC convinced them they needed to spend more but TG's managed to bring in extra revenue with the shirt sponsorship etc so their actually costs to the owners maybe no greater than last season. Unless DC was lying(!) again it seems the budget is due to be cut substantially next season. As far as the CEO I assume he was brought in as they've had enough with Hamer who, at 68 this year, must surely be nearing retirement anyway? One can only hope.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 7:14:19 GMT
Wanting to progress, and actually making progress, are two completely separate things though.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 8, 2019 7:56:36 GMT
Unless DC was lying(!) again it seems the budget is due to be cut substantially next season. That's nothing like what he said.
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Post by bluegas on Jan 8, 2019 8:26:17 GMT
Unless DC was lying(!) again it seems the budget is due to be cut substantially next season. That's nothing like what he said. My buddy who has access to inside info told me at the start of the season that big things were afoot revolving around cuts in the budget. Nothing more was heard but I believe this precipitated DC's disillusion &, er, sacking. Not sure what he said but pretty sure this is the underlying scenario. Assume GC is aware of it & accepts it, possibly even agrees that the staff is too big.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 8, 2019 8:29:54 GMT
Unless DC was lying(!) again it seems the budget is due to be cut substantially next season. That's nothing like what he said. DC said the playing budget was going to be reduced next season in his pre-leaving rant, I doubt he would have bothered mentioning it if it's not a substantial reduction.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 8, 2019 8:45:47 GMT
That's nothing like what he said. DC said the playing budget was going to be reduced next season in his pre-leaving rant, I doubt he would have bothered mentioning it if it's not a substantial reduction. No, he said, when talking about the prospect of a higher budget, something like 'if anything it will go the other way.' So, istm he has no idea what the budget will be, but he had an inkling it wouldn't be as high as this year. So, there's no way he said 'it will be substantially reduced.' You can add words like that if you want, but that's you just adding a word. In any case it's typical of the bullshit we get on here. People just want to repeat stuff that supports their agenda and ignore stuff that doesn't. I thought we had a pretty decent budget for this year, but people who want to criticise the board just ignore that or play it down, or make stupid stuff up, like 'it's not real money coz it's only being borrowed,' but then as soon as they get some good news (ie news that supports their dislike of the board) they play it up and exaggerate it. Ie as soon as DC said that, the rumour went round, repeated by loads of people, that the budget was gonna be reduced by £1M. The number was just plucked out of their arses, but that didn't stop them from repeating it until it became gospel. Similar to improvements to the bars, etc. Coz this was sponsored, people seem to think it's not real money or it's not being paid for, coz the money came from sponsorship. What does that even mean? Do other clubs not get money through sponsorship?
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Post by spiess1 on Jan 8, 2019 8:54:53 GMT
AF, you know that the forums are just playgrounds (in as many senses as you can think of).
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 8, 2019 8:58:26 GMT
AF, you know that the forums are just playgrounds (in as many senses as you can think of). But they should be sanctuaries of accurate, peer-reviewed theses and infallible, rigorous insight.
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 8, 2019 8:58:40 GMT
New ground , revamped mem , training ground , ain’t gonna happen with this lot in charge. Don’t trust anyone of them. I fully expect a BIG announcement ANY day now Optimist! 😉 UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 8, 2019 9:01:31 GMT
Plan d ? Don’t be daft that was ages ago , we’re well onto plan J now. J ? Na, were on PP now (water Poor) That good? UTG!
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Jan 8, 2019 9:14:33 GMT
Why do people want the owners to repeat the same things over and over again? They've explained that the Uwe wasn't a good deal for the club and, as the training ground was part of that, anyone with an ounce of common sense would see the connection. What do you want them to say that's any different? Blind belief eh? All hail the messiah! Your post is “religious” nonsense. There is a much higher chance that UWE and the training ground were good deals for the club but that Hani doesn’t want to do either for his own reasons. There is in fact no evidence that Hani is committed to our football club to any greater extent than getting the cash back he wished he’d never put in.
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Post by glengas on Jan 8, 2019 9:59:06 GMT
DC said the playing budget was going to be reduced next season in his pre-leaving rant, I doubt he would have bothered mentioning it if it's not a substantial reduction. No, he said, when talking about the prospect of a higher budget, something like 'if anything it will go the other way.' So, istm he has no idea what the budget will be, but he had an inkling it wouldn't be as high as this year. So, there's no way he said 'it will be substantially reduced.' You can add words like that if you want, but that's you just adding a word. In any case it's typical of the bullshit we get on here. People just want to repeat stuff that supports their agenda and ignore stuff that doesn't. I thought we had a pretty decent budget for this year, but people who want to criticise the board just ignore that or play it down, or make stupid stuff up, like 'it's not real money coz it's only being borrowed,' but then as soon as they get some good news (ie news that supports their dislike of the board) they play it up and exaggerate it. Ie as soon as DC said that, the rumour went round, repeated by loads of people, that the budget was gonna be reduced by £1M. The number was just plucked out of their arses, but that didn't stop them from repeating it until it became gospel. Similar to improvements to the bars, etc. Coz this was sponsored, people seem to think it's not real money or it's not being paid for, coz the money came from sponsorship. What does that even mean? Do other clubs not get money through sponsorship? This applies to all aspects of the club, not just the owners. DC only made terrible signings is one that persists, because he spent money on Nichols. Completely ignoring players like Taylor, Sercombe, Bodin and THD.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 8, 2019 10:54:11 GMT
DC said the playing budget was going to be reduced next season in his pre-leaving rant, I doubt he would have bothered mentioning it if it's not a substantial reduction. No, he said, when talking about the prospect of a higher budget, something like 'if anything it will go the other way.' So, istm he has no idea what the budget will be, but he had an inkling it wouldn't be as high as this year. So, there's no way he said 'it will be substantially reduced.' You can add words like that if you want, but that's you just adding a word. In any case it's typical of the bullshit we get on here. People just want to repeat stuff that supports their agenda and ignore stuff that doesn't. I thought we had a pretty decent budget for this year, but people who want to criticise the board just ignore that or play it down, or make stupid stuff up, like 'it's not real money coz it's only being borrowed,' but then as soon as they get some good news (ie news that supports their dislike of the board) they play it up and exaggerate it. Ie as soon as DC said that, the rumour went round, repeated by loads of people, that the budget was gonna be reduced by £1M. The number was just plucked out of their arses, but that didn't stop them from repeating it until it became gospel. Similar to improvements to the bars, etc. Coz this was sponsored, people seem to think it's not real money or it's not being paid for, coz the money came from sponsorship. What does that even mean? Do other clubs not get money through sponsorship? DC's rant was about there being no signs of a new stadium or ground and he also suggested the playing budget was likely to be cut, not only did the club censor his interview he also left immediately afterwards. Nothing is being exaggerated, the fact that the club then produced a statement confirming a new stadium etc wasn't going ahead anytime soon supports DC's rant. As far as capital expenditure why aren't the owners prepared to spend even a penny on the Mem, why does it all have to come from sponsorship, if they don't want to spend any if their own money then it's baffling why they ever got involved in football club ownership. Did they really think Rovers would be self sufficient when mot league clubs run at a loss? What happens when all the equity is gone in the Mem?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 8, 2019 11:19:42 GMT
As far as capital expenditure why aren't the owners prepared to spend even a penny on the Mem, why does it all have to come from sponsorship, if they don't want to spend any if their own money then it's baffling why they ever got involved in football club ownership. Did they really think Rovers would be self sufficient when mot league clubs run at a loss? What happens when all the equity is gone in the Mem? Clubs get money through various sources. They spend money on various things. If they get £1M (just round numbers for convenience) for shirt sponsorship and then spend £1M on a player they've raised money and spent money. They could say the shirt sponsorship paid for the player, or they might not. They could spend £1M on a stand and then say the sponsorship paid for the stand, or they might not. But they've raised the money and spent the money. As soon as they raise the money, it is their money to spend. All this, 'they didn't really spend any money coz it was sponsorship' is plainly nonsense. Even asking why does it have to come from sponsorship doesn't make any sense in a field where loads of money comes from sponsorship and loads of money comes from other sources. What does it even mean? What are you even asking? And they are spending their own money, about £1M a year.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2019 19:53:13 GMT
It just occurred to me that just about a year ago to the day Bodin was sold and they rushed out that 'good news' statement about how they had hired some consultants. Looking back on it, what the **** was all that about?! Who were these consultants and what have they got to show for the past year? On the face of it, a nothing statement about something intangible with no deliverables and that can't be verified.
A year on and nothing has changed. Yet people still have faith in them....
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Post by pirate49 on Jan 9, 2019 20:03:52 GMT
As Ann(e) from Portishead said on Radio Bristol the other morning the owners have never set out their vision for the club. I'm not a great one for targets, mission statements etc but the owners need to set out some sort of timeline to let us know where they plan to take this club.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 10, 2019 8:24:31 GMT
Sorry mate, I supported this and signed the letter but why send it to Hamer? May as well have wiped your arse with it and thrown it down the toilet Yes, it was a bit like Wael asked the Chairman to investigate the Ken Masters text messages. So, what exactly was the contents of these text messages then? You said you would publish them but I seem to have missed it if you did.
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Post by singupgas on Jan 10, 2019 9:12:40 GMT
Let's all be honest. To date we have not progressed off the pitch in the pass 3 years.
The new tent and bar improvements, are exactly that, improvements. This is not progress.
Whilst TG seems to be increasing the revenue streams, you do have to wonder what are the others employed by BRFC actually doing? What happened to the Wembley fella, the consultancy firms? How far into doing anything did they get? Also are the funds still available for a stadium.
Off the pitch other than what TG is doing, the club's remains rag bag. Until we have a training ground for the players which should be built by now and this tells me everything about the owners if they can't afford to build a training ground, they are never going to pay for a stadium. Or am I wrong and they are genuinely looking around but have the tightest confidentiality agreements on earth.
I find it amazing, you can download the sky sports, bbc apps and find out about other clubs but bloody Bristol Rovers not a word. Christ there is more info about the countries nuclear subs on the internet than about Rovers top secret ground plans. I can only believe we are being led along.
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