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Post by chewbacca on Dec 18, 2018 16:01:31 GMT
Wael initially talked of a cat 2 academy and bringing young players through as a means of competing with high spending clubs. He has also attempted to build a more professional set up with extra coaches,attention to diet,the statistical analysis,head of recruitment and of course the development squad. With all that in mind and despite the failure to progress with the training ground a modern coach like ben garner would fit in with the owners philosophy. Wael talked of evolution as well, hopefully we'll have a club that can compete in the third tier by 3,052,018.
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Post by pirate on Dec 18, 2018 16:13:58 GMT
I'm come around to this guy from reading this thread, the Rag's pirate-quote-lifted article and further information online. Plus, he's good on FM19 so that's one for the plus column in my view! It would be a MASSIVE risk but IF we go down anyway, I'd rather have someone like BG running the L2 rebuild and starting fresh than a Gary Waddock for example. He's clearly a highly-rated coach and one of these days some club will take a chance on him. I'd rather we do the chance-taking than go down the same boring road. This is an interesting option, think we will struggle to stay up, cannot score enough our main striker is overweight and seemingly disinterested from what I have seen, Nicho has great ability but lost the knack, and it seems Jak is our only hope. We need to get the new manager in asap so he can assess and prepare for the jan window, as some juggling needs to be done, it's going to be a rollercoaster. BG seems to have a lot of contacts so could wheel and deal. I think managers will be more inclined to send players to us on loan because they know they will receive good coaching under BG.
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Post by pucklegas on Dec 18, 2018 16:25:06 GMT
This is an interesting option, think we will struggle to stay up, cannot score enough our main striker is overweight and seemingly disinterested from what I have seen, Nicho has great ability but lost the knack, and it seems Jak is our only hope. We need to get the new manager in asap so he can assess and prepare for the jan window, as some juggling needs to be done, it's going to be a rollercoaster. BG seems to have a lot of contacts so could wheel and deal. I think managers will be more inclined to send players to us on loan because they know they will receive good coaching under BG. Hope we use them then unlike connor Roberts Dom Telford and jak.
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Post by axegas on Dec 18, 2018 16:37:11 GMT
Wael initially talked of a cat 2 academy and bringing young players through as a means of competing with high spending clubs. He has also attempted to build a more professional set up with extra coaches,attention to diet,the statistical analysis,head of recruitment and of course the development squad. With all that in mind and despite the failure to progress with the training ground a modern coach like ben garner would fit in with the owners philosophy. Wael talked of evolution as well, hopefully we'll have a club that can compete in the third tier by 3,052,018. We had a club that could compete in the third tier in 2016 and 2017...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 17:46:58 GMT
Wael initially talked of a cat 2 academy and bringing young players through as a means of competing with high spending clubs. He has also attempted to build a more professional set up with extra coaches,attention to diet,the statistical analysis,head of recruitment and of course the development squad. With all that in mind and despite the failure to progress with the training ground a modern coach like ben garner would fit in with the owners philosophy. Wael talked of evolution as well, hopefully we'll have a club that can compete in the third tier by 3,052,018. Well these things take time.
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Post by gasfishponds on Dec 18, 2018 19:23:22 GMT
From looking through this thread a lot I can see there’s a few fans still not yet fully convinced on Ben Garner as the next manager so what would you need from him or the club to convince you he’s the right man?
For me I’d like Ben to say he’ll be bring a senior head to his coaching staff And someone he’s worked with before maybe someone like Gerry Francis. GF has got great experiences and is a gas legend.
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Post by pucklegas on Dec 18, 2018 19:24:36 GMT
From looking through this thread a lot I can see there’s a few fans still not yet fully convinced on Ben Garner as the next manager so what would you need from him or the club to convince you he’s the right man? For me I’d like Ben to say he’ll be bring a senior head to his coaching staff And someone he’s worked with before maybe someone like Gerry Francis. GF has got great experiences and is a gas legend. Thought? Second time around was a disaster 😁 No mullets at the mem
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Post by gasfishponds on Dec 18, 2018 20:05:55 GMT
From looking through this thread a lot I can see there’s a few fans still not yet fully convinced on Ben Garner as the next manager so what would you need from him or the club to convince you he’s the right man? For me I’d like Ben to say he’ll be bring a senior head to his coaching staff And someone he’s worked with before maybe someone like Gerry Francis. GF has got great experiences and is a gas legend. Thought? What about Lennie Lawrence then? he’s also worked with LL who’s now at Newport. LL did a great job at Rovers. How about LL as his mentor like he did with PT.
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Post by gasfishponds on Dec 21, 2018 14:20:31 GMT
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 21, 2018 14:39:06 GMT
gasfishponds what's your connection to BG given you only seem to be posting on this and the other manager's thread? gaschat.co.uk/user/3109/recentYou're making him a appear a bit desperate for a manager's job.
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Post by pirate on Dec 21, 2018 18:11:58 GMT
As Tony said: "Someone will give him an opportunity at some point sooner or later" and I just hope that club will be us. It would be an inspired choice in my opinion.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 21, 2018 18:29:11 GMT
As Tony said: "Someone will give him an opportunity at some point sooner or later" and I just hope that club will be us. It would be an inspired choice in my opinion. To be fair you a lot of your inspired signings you suggest disappear w/o trace, I personally think it would be madness to employee somebody with no managerial experience who's got no understand of the Rovers set up, when we need the new manager to hit the ground running or we'll end up back in Div 2 come May.
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Post by pirate on Dec 21, 2018 18:46:54 GMT
As Tony said: "Someone will give him an opportunity at some point sooner or later" and I just hope that club will be us. It would be an inspired choice in my opinion. To be fair you a lot of your inspired signings you suggest disappear w/o trace, I personally think it would be madness to employee somebody with no managerial experience who's got no understand of the Rovers set up, when we need the new manager to hit the ground running or we'll end up back in Div 2 come May. More often than not the inspired signings I suggest end up 2 or 3 divisions higher, but that is irrelevant to this discussion. I think with Garner's 20 years experience of coaching, the quality managers he has learnt from and his scouting experience would stand him in good stead. The fact he was also employed to work in the England youth setup also bodes well. Like I said before, managers will be more inclined to send us good young players on loan in the knowledge they will receive top class coaching under Garner.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 19:32:32 GMT
To be fair you a lot of your inspired signings you suggest disappear w/o trace, I personally think it would be madness to employee somebody with no managerial experience who's got no understand of the Rovers set up, when we need the new manager to hit the ground running or we'll end up back in Div 2 come May. More often than not the inspired signings I suggest end up 2 or 3 divisions higher, but that is irrelevant to this discussion. I think with Garner's 20 years experience of coaching, the quality managers he has learnt from and his scouting experience would stand him in good stead. The fact he was also employed to work in the England youth setup also bodes well. Like I said before, managers will be more inclined to send us good young players on loan in the knowledge they will receive top class coaching under Garner. I'm intrigued by Garner and think he could be an inspired choice. My only reservation is that whilst he is clearly a very good coach, that is different to managing people, motivating and being tactically astute, etc. Not saying he can't do any of these, but as far as I am aware he doesn't have a trackrecord in those areas. It's a really difficult choice as there's no stand out candidate. I'd like to see us actively go after Nigel Clough, but perhaps it's more realistic to go with a top three of Garner, Holloway (as an interim) and Flynn. I'm just not sure in what order!
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Post by gasfishponds on Dec 21, 2018 20:04:45 GMT
gasfishponds what's your connection to BG given you only seem to be posting on this and the other manager's thread? gaschat.co.uk/user/3109/recentYou're making him a appear a bit desperate for a manager's job. Sorry if it’s coming across very keen by me it’s mainly because I’ve been lucky enough to have worked with Ben on a project I run. He ran a coaching session for my player and was a true professional. I was really taken aback on how good he was with the players and the other coaches and everyone listened when he spoke mainly because he clearly knew what he was talking about.. After the session he did a talk about his life as a player then a coach and the Ups and downs that comes with it which was really inspiring. He also talked about his work coaching players like Zaha and Clyne and the work he did with them in the youth teams then 1st team. I’m lucky enough to have seen him at work and I’ve followed his work closely since then on his twitter account so maybe I’m abit biased but I honestly believe his mentality,passion and experience in coaching would fit well at rovers. Sorry again for being a bit of a fanboy.
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Post by pirate on Dec 21, 2018 20:10:50 GMT
More often than not the inspired signings I suggest end up 2 or 3 divisions higher, but that is irrelevant to this discussion. I think with Garner's 20 years experience of coaching, the quality managers he has learnt from and his scouting experience would stand him in good stead. The fact he was also employed to work in the England youth setup also bodes well. Like I said before, managers will be more inclined to send us good young players on loan in the knowledge they will receive top class coaching under Garner. I'm intrigued by Garner and think he could be an inspired choice. My only reservation is that whilst he is clearly a very good coach, that is different to managing people, motivating and being tactically astute, etc. Not saying he can't do any of these, but as far as I am aware he doesn't have a trackrecord in those areas. It's a really difficult choice as there's no stand out candidate. I'd like to see us actively go after Nigel Clough, but perhaps it's more realistic to go with a top three of Garner, Holloway (as an interim) and Flynn. I'm just not sure in what order! As far as managing people, motivating and being tactically astute, he will have had to do all of those things at one time or other in his career I'm sure, certainly as a first team coach in the Premier League. There were some little insights in one of the articles that I think are worth highlighting: Garner - “I have under my belt thousands of coaching sessions, hundreds of players worked with, thousands of games watched and almost 200 games coaching at senior level with five seasons in the Premier League competing against some of the best players, teams, and coaches in the World.” He has now worked under bosses – mostly at Palace – who have between them managed more than 4,000 games and steered clubs to 14 promotions. “Learning from their knowledge and experience has accelerated my learning,” he said. “It has provided me with the best of both worlds. I have my own beliefs and have evolved with the technology and advancements in the game. But I have also benefitted from working with such experienced managers.” “The past three months I have used as a sabbatical to form a blueprint for how I want to work and what I believe makes teams successful. This encompasses every aspect of the game and means I am fully prepared for the next opportunity. “I have also used this time to watch matches across the football leagues and also to visit other coaches, clubs, international teams, coaching development events, and different sports. I have read as much as possible and also evaluated my career to identify how I want to move forwards. “I have a clear philosophy of how I want to manage – and how I want my team to play. I also have a clear view of how the team will work to achieve that. “The core principles will not change. But the manager needs to get the best out of the players and the team he has. He needs to be flexible with his formation for example. The bottom line is, and always will be, winning.”
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Post by dinsdale on Dec 21, 2018 20:12:10 GMT
Id be happy with Ben however not all good coaches make Good managers.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 20:21:10 GMT
I'm intrigued by Garner and think he could be an inspired choice. My only reservation is that whilst he is clearly a very good coach, that is different to managing people, motivating and being tactically astute, etc. Not saying he can't do any of these, but as far as I am aware he doesn't have a trackrecord in those areas. It's a really difficult choice as there's no stand out candidate. I'd like to see us actively go after Nigel Clough, but perhaps it's more realistic to go with a top three of Garner, Holloway (as an interim) and Flynn. I'm just not sure in what order! As far as managing people, motivating and being tactically astute, he will have had to do all of those things at one time or other in his career I'm sure, certainly as a first team coach in the Premier League. There were some little insights in one of the articles that I think are worth highlighting: Garner - “I have under my belt thousands of coaching sessions, hundreds of players worked with, thousands of games watched and almost 200 games coaching at senior level with five seasons in the Premier League competing against some of the best players, teams, and coaches in the World.” He has now worked under bosses – mostly at Palace – who have between them managed more than 4,000 games and steered clubs to 14 promotions. “Learning from their knowledge and experience has accelerated my learning,” he said. “It has provided me with the best of both worlds. I have my own beliefs and have evolved with the technology and advancements in the game. But I have also benefitted from working with such experienced managers.” “The past three months I have used as a sabbatical to form a blueprint for how I want to work and what I believe makes teams successful. This encompasses every aspect of the game and means I am fully prepared for the next opportunity. “I have also used this time to watch matches across the football leagues and also to visit other coaches, clubs, international teams, coaching development events, and different sports. I have read as much as possible and also evaluated my career to identify how I want to move forwards. “I have a clear philosophy of how I want to manage – and how I want my team to play. I also have a clear view of how the team will work to achieve that. “The core principles will not change. But the manager needs to get the best out of the players and the team he has. He needs to be flexible with his formation for example. The bottom line is, and always will be, winning.” He does sound like a very impressive candidate. I guess I'm just wary of a Paul Clement situation but fully accept that just because it hasn't really worked out for Clement the same will happen with Garner. Overall, I think he would be a really good choice and I'd be happy if he was to get the job. Alternatively, if both could be persuaded, Garner under Ollie with a defined plan to take over in the summer of 2019 or 2020 would be very interesting.
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Post by pirate on Dec 21, 2018 20:23:28 GMT
As far as managing people, motivating and being tactically astute, he will have had to do all of those things at one time or other in his career I'm sure, certainly as a first team coach in the Premier League. There were some little insights in one of the articles that I think are worth highlighting: Garner - “I have under my belt thousands of coaching sessions, hundreds of players worked with, thousands of games watched and almost 200 games coaching at senior level with five seasons in the Premier League competing against some of the best players, teams, and coaches in the World.” He has now worked under bosses – mostly at Palace – who have between them managed more than 4,000 games and steered clubs to 14 promotions. “Learning from their knowledge and experience has accelerated my learning,” he said. “It has provided me with the best of both worlds. I have my own beliefs and have evolved with the technology and advancements in the game. But I have also benefitted from working with such experienced managers.” “The past three months I have used as a sabbatical to form a blueprint for how I want to work and what I believe makes teams successful. This encompasses every aspect of the game and means I am fully prepared for the next opportunity. “I have also used this time to watch matches across the football leagues and also to visit other coaches, clubs, international teams, coaching development events, and different sports. I have read as much as possible and also evaluated my career to identify how I want to move forwards. “I have a clear philosophy of how I want to manage – and how I want my team to play. I also have a clear view of how the team will work to achieve that. “The core principles will not change. But the manager needs to get the best out of the players and the team he has. He needs to be flexible with his formation for example. The bottom line is, and always will be, winning.” He does sound like a very impressive candidate. I guess I'm just wary of a Paul Clement situation but fully accept that just because it hasn't really worked out for Clement the same will happen with Garner. Overall, I think he would be a really good choice and I'd be happy if he was to get the job. Alternatively, if both could be persuaded, Garner under Ollie with a defined plan to take over in the summer of 2019 or 2020 would be very interesting. Agreed.
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Post by pucklegas on Dec 21, 2018 20:33:46 GMT
He is an interesting option but would think he was better to appoint at the end of the season, looking at Flynns saving of Newport that is what we need so understand the merits of both. Two different scenarios who would I choose unsure, firmly sat on the training ground fence.
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