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Post by midlandgas213 on Dec 17, 2018 17:36:57 GMT
In non league and league 2 he was a top man but unfortunately he could not cut it in league 1 ,
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Post by geddongas on Dec 17, 2018 17:39:14 GMT
As if there’s even a thread about whether he was good or not after the successes the club has had under his tenure.
The only downside you could poke in his management record is his inability to put together a convincing cup run. But then, who needs that when you’ve won back-to-back promotions and challenged for another one the first year in League One.
Bloody hell. Can we just get accept we’ve just sacked a good manager who will be fondly remembered instead of tarnishing his achievements with the team?
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Post by trevorgas on Dec 17, 2018 17:39:26 GMT
In non league and league 2 he was a top man but unfortunately he could not cut it in league 1 , So two top half finishes means he couldn't cut it,wow you will I assume have high expectations for our new Manager!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 17:41:28 GMT
Unfortunately not good enough hence he’s not here anymore... 😜
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Post by stapletongas on Dec 17, 2018 17:45:32 GMT
I believe all 4 divisions in our top flight bring different challenges and all need different skill sets.
Just because a manager can excel in say the Championship, doesn’t mean they will be brilliant in say L2.
In terms of what DC managed in the Conferemce and L2, there’s no denying. L1, I still believe he’s better than his stats. To my mind the stars just didn’t line up for him, the budget, the right players being available when needed, injuries, fitness.
One day I believe he will prove his L1 credentials and prob Championship too. The bloke is a gem...and we let him go.
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Post by madgas on Dec 17, 2018 17:54:24 GMT
He’s the best manager in our “modern history”
The prem changed football dramatically and it’s a different game. With the rise of the agent there are few secrets left in football. With the internet and a crazy dedication even fans such as pirate can maintain databasis of huge depth. I wouldnt compare him to managers before this time. So, as I say- modern football:
Best ever.
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Post by paulpirate on Dec 17, 2018 18:15:50 GMT
They say stats never lie ! especially over a long period of time. Paul Trollope's L1 record as manager was 157 games and 53 wins = 33.8 % win percentage Darrell Clarke L1 record as manager was 113 games and 38 wins = 33.6 % win percentage Also very surprisingly, when Trollope was sacked in mid-December in 2010, Rovers record that season was P19: W 5, D 7 L 7. When Clarke left last week his record for the season was P21: W4, D5, L12. DC certainly injected a lot of passion and as many say "we got our Rovers back" but he was far from our greatest manager. For me Gerry Francis (statistically in L1 I'm sure but haven't checked) was by far the best and also had to lead the club at Twerton with much smaller crowds and far less financial support from the Rovers board then. I'd love to check Holloway's record in L1 - got a feeling his win percentage might even be higher than DC and PT too ! Might do GF and IH's L1 record a bit later or maybe someone else might fancy it ?! You can't just judge DC from his time in league 1, he also managed in two other league's. You have to judge him over his entire career, otherwise its like your doing a Stevek, and just putting stats that suit your argument. like you have just done,we’ve never been in conference before so can’t compare it
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 17, 2018 18:38:57 GMT
DC turned a sinking Conference side into a decent mid table Div 1, via two consecutive promotions, before the whole club seemed to lose the plot from the owners downwards.
Whilst GF MK1, and Megson decades ago, managed to get us into what is now the Championship he only managed one promotion, plus you could argue today's Div 1 is the old Div 2 as the Championship has become the Premiership MK2 where you can only survive with 15,000/20,000 home gates, we'd never survive there now at the Mem let alone Twerton as it was.
I'd say post the 50's DC's record is the best.
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Post by keygas on Dec 17, 2018 18:41:55 GMT
In non league and league 2 he was a top man but unfortunately he could not cut it in league 1 , Perhaps if he would of been able to keep Taylor,Bodin & Harrison he may have cut it in league 1.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Dec 17, 2018 18:49:23 GMT
Best and most successful manager in the club's history. Close thread.
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Post by Marshy on Dec 17, 2018 18:53:30 GMT
In non league and league 2 he was a top man but unfortunately he could not cut it in league 1 , Perhaps if he would of been able to keep Taylor,Bodin & Harrison he may have cut it in league 1. This ^
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Post by paulpirate on Dec 17, 2018 19:04:10 GMT
DC turned a sinking Conference side into a decent mid table Div 1, via two consecutive promotions, before the whole club seemed to lose the plot from the owners downwards. Whilst GF MK1, and Megson decades ago, managed to get us into what is now the Championship he only managed one promotion, plus you could argue today's Div 1 is the old Div 2 as the Championship has become the Premiership MK2 where you can only survive with 15,000/20,000 home gates, we'd never survive there now at the Mem let alone Twerton as it was. I'd say post the 50's DC's record is the best. bournemouth,that’s what I thought we were going to be like when they took over and I bet dc did too that’s why he signed a 5 yr deal I even had a book bought for me for Xmas 2 years from rags to riches 😂
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 17, 2018 20:28:39 GMT
He was the most in tune manager with the fans I can remember. Probably since John Ward Twerton era.
He was approachable and endorsed an encompassing atmosphere and surrounded himself with everything that football has to do with community.
In this respect, he was brilliant. Especially at a time when we were falling, at a low ebb with communication with our board and uncertainties with new stadia and off field agendas.
He helped galvanise our club, and am sure was a catalyst for achieving a new board takeover.
In this respect, he was among greatest in my memory of managers.
Unfortunately, his strength was his weakness and stubbornness and belligerence in picking of players at crucial times was unforgiving. It cost us and continues to do so.
Relegation form and the continuation is the only reason we are here in this thread, and relegation is surely a no no ?
That's why he is a legend, should be remembered for his achievements in positivity, not just this calendar year which form has seen us as something short of the worst in our history.
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Post by Jomo on Dec 17, 2018 20:34:25 GMT
He was the most in tune manager with the fans I can remember. Probably since John Ward Twerton era. He was approachable and endorsed an encompassing atmosphere and surrounded himself with everything that football has to do with community. In this respect, he was brilliant. Especially at a time when we were falling, at a low ebb with communication with our board and uncertainties with new stadia and off field agendas. He helped galvanise our club, and am sure was a catalyst for achieving a new board takeover. In this respect, he was among greatest in my memory of managers. Unfortunately, his strength was his weakness and stubbornness and belligerence in picking of players at crucial times was unforgiving. It cost us and continues to do so. Relegation form and the continuation is the only reason we are here in this thread, and relegation is surely a no no ? That's why he is a legend, should be remembered for his achievements in positivity, not just this calendar year which form has seen us as something short of the worst in our history. Good post o2o2bo2ba, I can't help but agree with the fact that this last 12 months has been poor. I'd have actually kept him on in spite of relegation to see if he could bring us back again. We'll never know if that would have been the right decision, but I respect your views and appreciate that you hold his achievements in such high regard despite thinking it was time for a change. It's the others that don't show respect for his past achievements or simply gloss over them, that really get on my nerves.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 17, 2018 20:39:43 GMT
He was the most in tune manager with the fans I can remember. Probably since John Ward Twerton era. He was approachable and endorsed an encompassing atmosphere and surrounded himself with everything that football has to do with community. In this respect, he was brilliant. Especially at a time when we were falling, at a low ebb with communication with our board and uncertainties with new stadia and off field agendas. He helped galvanise our club, and am sure was a catalyst for achieving a new board takeover. In this respect, he was among greatest in my memory of managers. Unfortunately, his strength was his weakness and stubbornness and belligerence in picking of players at crucial times was unforgiving. It cost us and continues to do so. Relegation form and the continuation is the only reason we are here in this thread, and relegation is surely a no no ? That's why he is a legend, should be remembered for his achievements in positivity, not just this calendar year which form has seen us as something short of the worst in our history. Good post o2o2bo2ba, I can't help but agree with the fact that this last 12 months has been poor. I'd have actually kept him on in spite of relegation to see if he could bring us back again. We'll never know if that would have been the right decision, but I respect your views and appreciate that you hold his achievements in such high regard despite thinking it was time for a change. It's the others that don't show respect for his past achievements or simply gloss over them, that really get on my nerves. Appreciate the reply, jomo.... and whatever, wherever, whomever, if folk pay their way, they're entitled to their views. That's the way I see it I haven't met one (GasHead) yet that isn't hurting. Even if it's just about the uncertainty. Never forget history, but learn from it. The rest is in the lap of the gods. Freddie sang about that once.. Or twice.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 20:40:35 GMT
Perhaps if he would of been able to keep Taylor,Bodin & Harrison he may have cut it in league 1. This ^ Of course, but that simply wasn't realistic, especially when handing out shorter term contracts. Our decline started long before Harrison left too. Imagine the fun we could have had if Trollope could have kept Lambert.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2018 21:49:34 GMT
Seems a bit churlish to be doing this now though, don't you think?
Football was also very different in GF's days. In fact, what are the chances now of having an intelligent former England captain come to a struggling Lge 1 club without a ground and awful training facilities? Had avoided relegation on the final day of the season before. Chances are zero.
Correct mm. Blimey I hope we don’t have a slow descend into thinking DC wasn’t that special. I hope we don’t start to question what he did so that by the end of the season his reputation has been spoiled. GF nor Ollie managed Rovers when we as bad as we were when DC came. As you say a different age and time. Clubs and their facilities have overtaken us in the nearly 20 years since. Yet DC managed to get us to mid table League 1, our traditional place imo, from a low starting point. DC was special, he took over and couldn’t save us but he took us back up and achieved another promotion. He moulded a very special group of players into a strong team with great resilience. His teams usually attacked and he was never afraid to change things in the opening 30 minutes if he thought he’d got things wrong initially. He developed a very thick skin in the late summer of ‘14 when things started slowly but developed and built a winning mentality even when we didn’t play well. He created a bond with the fans that very few managers had done and certain players should say thank you to him for their careers. His man-management skills were very good as told by Lee Brown and I have no doubt he saved my club. Was he perfect? Of course he wasn’t. He was still learning how to manage as he grew as a League 1 manager. He could do the recruitment himself with a few trusted colleagues in the Conference and League 2 but in League 1 that was an area that the club has really struggled with and last Summer we were caught out and DC has paid the price. That recruitment may have got us some good players on paper, I’m not sure they were the right characters to fit in and the parallels with 2010-11 are worryingly similar. He still needed to learn, imo, how to use the loan market better. I’m afraid his reluctance to play loans may have caused clubs to be uncertain about loaning better players who need game time. His constant changes seemed to work at times but when we weren’t playing well the changes just didn’t work. But overall, the man saved our club. Had we not gone straight back up I fear we could be preparing to play Weston Super Mare and not Fleetwood this week. 4 years ago if someone had said “in 2018 you will be struggling to stay in League 1” we would have bitten their hands off for it to be the case. That the recent 12 months haven’t been the best is a real shame but I still feel that we should have given DC the same loyalty that he gave us in the Summer 2016. But he’s gone now and we need to get behind whoever is appointed. I just hope we don’t let DCs legacy to be rubbed away by those who did not rate him. I appreciate that statistics and facts might show him not to be the best manager statistically but he was the most important and best manager when we really needed someone to save us. But sure others will disagree. UTG! Wareham, I salute you. Brilliant post. Stats are fine to a point but there are too many variables for them to tell the same story. It's like comparing Viv Richards with Sachin Tendulkar, or Diego Maradona with Lionel Messi. It can't be done. What can be said with near certainty is that, as you say, Darrell Clarke saved Bristol Rovers. I for one will always be grateful for that and consider him to be a legend.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Dec 18, 2018 9:07:32 GMT
Seems a bit churlish to be doing this now though, don't you think?
Football was also very different in GF's days. In fact, what are the chances now of having an intelligent former England captain come to a struggling Lge 1 club without a ground and awful training facilities? Had avoided relegation on the final day of the season before. Chances are zero.
To be fair, we could have probably got Sol Campbell if he hadn't just been got.
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Post by darkbluegas on Dec 18, 2018 9:26:14 GMT
As if there’s even a thread about whether he was good or not after the successes the club has had under his tenure. The only downside you could poke in his management record is his inability to put together a convincing cup run. But then, who needs that when you’ve won back-to-back promotions and challenged for another one the first year in League One. Bloody hell. Can we just get accept we’ve just sacked a good manager who will be fondly remembered instead of tarnishing his achievements with the team? It's seems most people agree DC did a great job for us at times at others he found the job very difficult. We should also note that we didn't SACK him. I think if he'd been sacked his reaction would of been one of anger. Also we would hear at some point his thoughts on the clubs set up. I'm sure his reaction in being so upset is about him feeling he had in some way reached a point where a couldn't find a solution to the squads problems. That's just my take on it but we shouldn't rewrite history by stating as fact we have sacked our manager.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Dec 18, 2018 9:30:10 GMT
That's just my take on it but we shouldn't rewrite history by stating as fact we have sacked our manager. Well, I think it's common knowledge on here: DC was sacked. Dwane pulled out of the UWE deal coz they have no money even though it was a brilliant deal. Dwane aren't putting any money into the club. The budget is being cut by £1M next year. The board want us to be relegated to save money. These all may as well be facts.
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