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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 4, 2019 14:41:33 GMT
Im pretty sure Marcus Browning started as a centre forward. A good one is David Mehew. Started as a striker, Gerry moved him to right midfield where he did a job but also was our top scorer in our promotion season. Gerry also occassionally played Sealey or the New Zealander (name escapes me) on the left when Percy was injured. They were both strikers and did a job, but also carried a goal threat. He even played Devon there on occassions when Dennis Bailey was with us on loan the previous season. None were in their 'natural' position but all did the job for the overall benefit of the team, which was enhanced by the moves. Exactly whey Sercombe has often ended up wide, as it allows for his creativity but also provides a real goal threat from wide areas which you may not get from a 'natural' winger. So basically those saying DC played players out of position are using a stick to beat him with when that stick is in fact non existent. A tad embarrassing really. Problem is everybody seems to think Sercs is a natural CM conveniently overlooking that he can't tackle to save his life, so no Rovers manager will risk him in that position unless we're chasing a game late on.
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Post by contradiction on Jan 4, 2019 15:43:54 GMT
Im pretty sure Marcus Browning started as a centre forward. A good one is David Mehew. Started as a striker, Gerry moved him to right midfield where he did a job but also was our top scorer in our promotion season. Gerry also occassionally played Sealey or the New Zealander (name escapes me) on the left when Percy was injured. They were both strikers and did a job, but also carried a goal threat. He even played Devon there on occassions when Dennis Bailey was with us on loan the previous season. None were in their 'natural' position but all did the job for the overall benefit of the team, which was enhanced by the moves. Exactly whey Sercombe has often ended up wide, as it allows for his creativity but also provides a real goal threat from wide areas which you may not get from a 'natural' winger. So basically those saying DC played players out of position are using a stick to beat him with when that stick is in fact non existent. A tad embarrassing really. Problem is everybody seems to think Sercs is a natural CM conveniently overlooking that he can't tackle to save his life, so no Rovers manager will risk him in that position unless we're chasing a game late on. Exactly right. But can be accommodated in a three, but people will then complain of a change in formation. Sercombe ended up on the left at the end of the Burton game, and often did for Oxford, which seems to pass some people by.
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Post by aforce on Jan 4, 2019 15:56:09 GMT
Didn’t dc once pick a midfield 4 of Clarke lines Sinclair and sercombe. All central players playing in a 4
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 16:04:38 GMT
Don’t know about players playing out of position but some are playing out of their league imo
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Jan 4, 2019 20:16:49 GMT
Marcus Browning was Never centre forward? I'm pretty certain he was but never really had an opportunity for a run of games in the first team due to the good quality strikers we had at the time. Malcolm Allison realised what a good athlete he was and dropped him into midfield where he went on to have a good career including Wales caps if I remember rightly. Yes Marcus Browning and Marcus Stewart were the strikers in the same youth team. Stewie made an instant impression stepping up to the first team whilst Browning found it tougher. I remember a first team fixture at Upton Park where they were paired together (not sure whether it was versus West Ham or Charlton) but were pretty ineffective. Rofe was losing faith with Browning and sent him out on loan to Hereford where he couldn't stop scoring and when the loan ended Browning returned to find Rofe had lost his job. Malcolm Allison noticed Browning had a good engine on him and could run box to box at a decent pace throughout the 90 minutes, christening him the most natural athlete at the club and switched him into a midfield role. Despite enduring some good natured ribbing from Gasheads over the natural athlete quote Gravy turned in some useful performances in the role especially under Ward once we were relegated to the third tier and no one was tempted to try him in the forward positions again.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 20:26:16 GMT
I'm pretty certain he was but never really had an opportunity for a run of games in the first team due to the good quality strikers we had at the time. Malcolm Allison realised what a good athlete he was and dropped him into midfield where he went on to have a good career including Wales caps if I remember rightly. Yes Marcus Browning and Marcus Stewart were the strikers in the same youth team. Stewie made an instant impression stepping up to the first team whilst Browning found it tougher. I remember a first team fixture at Upton Park where they were paired together (not sure whether it was versus West Ham or Charlton) but were pretty ineffective. Rofe was losing faith with Browning and sent him out on loan to Hereford where he couldn't stop scoring and when the loan ended Browning returned to find Rofe had lost his job. Malcolm Allison noticed Browning had a good engine on him and could run box to box at a decent pace throughout the 90 minutes, christening him the most natural athlete at the club and switched him into a midfield role. Despite enduring some good natured ribbing from Gasheads over the natural athlete quote Gravy turned in some useful performances in the role especially under Ward once we were relegated to the third tier and no one was tempted to try him in the forward positions again. Thanks - glad my memory hadn't let me down. I met Marcus quite a few times several years ago. His son was playing for Wimborne Town U16's in the Junior Premier League alongside my nephew. Marcus was Assistant Manager and I think he was working as a window cleaner in Bournemouth at the time. I think his son went to Poole Town and was a good holding midfielder - no idea how he is progressing.
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Post by legas on Jan 4, 2019 20:56:45 GMT
Scored a great goal against Villa away in the cup.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 4, 2019 23:15:19 GMT
I recall Malcolm Allison playing a diamond midfield rather than the traditional flat midfield with wingers.
Waddock sat in front of the defence, Mehew and Channing providing width and Browning just behind the front two.
Another player converted was Gareth Taylor, centre half to striker.
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Post by Gashead73 on Jan 5, 2019 16:56:04 GMT
Im pretty sure Marcus Browning started as a centre forward. A good one is David Mehew. Started as a striker, Gerry moved him to right midfield where he did a job but also was our top scorer in our promotion season. Gerry also occassionally played Sealey or the New Zealander (name escapes me) on the left when Percy was injured. They were both strikers and did a job, but also carried a goal threat. He even played Devon there on occassions when Dennis Bailey was with us on loan the previous season. None were in their 'natural' position but all did the job for the overall benefit of the team, which was enhanced by the moves. Exactly whey Sercombe has often ended up wide, as it allows for his creativity but also provides a real goal threat from wide areas which you may not get from a 'natural' winger. So basically those saying DC played players out of position are using a stick to beat him with when that stick is in fact non existent. A tad embarrassing really. Paul Nixon
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 5, 2019 19:41:25 GMT
We played the first few games, without a proper left back. He also used to play Nichols upfront a lot lol
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Post by Somersetgas on Jan 6, 2019 0:42:14 GMT
Thats the one. A geordie, officially wasnt he? Who then moved to New Zealand? Who scored a screamer against Port Vale at the Bath End.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jan 6, 2019 16:12:28 GMT
A lot of remarks floating about on this recently about DC playing players out of position. More on 20mans show last night. Who and what were they then as I hardly recall any. Playing players out of position is playing Tom Parkes left wing, Adam Virgo centre forward, & Michael Smith centre mid (Mcghee), not playing Liam Sercombe, a midfielder, on the left side or right side of midfield. Maybe the literal playing players out of position is a slight misleading. For me, Rodman looks more natural and content on the right hand side, DC persisted with him on the left. The left wing position has been occupied by Ellis, Ollie, Sincs and Sercombe in the last 18months and none has been a specialist in that department, especially when we have had Byron Moore whom seemed absent alot (and ultimately a failure) and Bennett whom was played mainly in the middle......coupled with the Rodman position above, it made us very narrow in our approach, especially coinciding with Lee Brown's form which was questionable. On the subject of the left back position, this season DC never fully replaced Lee Brown. Craig and JClarke filled the position in favour of Kelly whom was sometimes winning his place. In the last 5 matches Kelly has not even been questioned about his inexperience or lack of first team match fitness....in fact, I would go further and say he's hardly been noticed as making any mistake. He did in fact assist Rodman with a cross for his goal on Boxing Day..... under DC there was a very good chance one or both would never have been on the pitch in their rightful position.
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