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Post by Big Jock on Jan 23, 2019 11:04:39 GMT
I respect everyones view to do as they please. Lets face it th whole fucckin world is polarised more than ever.
But my personal view is Boycott on th grounds If you don't stand for something you will fall for anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 11:06:59 GMT
B. Absolutely. Are you okay with U21 teams entering the competition PBG? I am not in favour of it thats for sure; I remember our Owners/Board voted against it last season. Not sure how they voted this season; either way it has been foisted on us so we can only (as a Club) accept it. And if our board did a Vincent Tan and changed our shirt to plain red and our badge to a dragon, we could only accept it as fans? Genuine question.
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Post by darkbluegas on Jan 23, 2019 11:15:09 GMT
Sounds like you really do need someone to organise your demonstration for you. Good luck in changing the world from the comfort and warm of your own home Has U21 teams entering lower league competition crossed a line for you DBG? Not particularly no. Does it bother me. No not particularly. What probably bothers me more is the alter of Sky TV that so many seem to worship. That's tbe root of the problem for small clubs in that it promotes an inequity in football finance.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 11:17:25 GMT
Has U21 teams entering lower league competition crossed a line for you DBG? Not particularly no. Does it bother me. No not particularly. What probably bothers me more is the alter of Sky TV that so many seem to worship. That's tbe root of the problem for small clubs in that it promotes an inequity in football finance. Fair enough. Would the idea of Bristol Rovers vs Bristol City U21 in a competitive fixture bother you?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 23, 2019 11:21:40 GMT
So you think an empty wembley for the final would have no effect on the EFL? 100% it would embarrass the EFL as it should. By all means folks have a day out in London. Even drink around that corporate shithole all day in the quarters but do not attend the match if we get there. Everyone knows we'd take 40,000 plus if the competition was proper, so what better way to make a stand other than sticking two fingers up at the league who must now realise that their pampered millionaire premier league boys who play tip tap every wednesday afternoon with other pampered millionaire premier league boys don't actually add anything to the tournament and come unstuck against grown ups who have mortgages to pay. Whatever money we make does anyone seriously think it would be invested into the team anyway ? but why would i make "a stand" if i believe in the competition ?
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Post by philbemmygas on Jan 23, 2019 11:25:46 GMT
I am not in favour of it thats for sure; I remember our Owners/Board voted against it last season. Not sure how they voted this season; either way it has been foisted on us so we can only (as a Club) accept it. And if our board did a Vincent Tan and changed our shirt to plain red and our badge to a dragon, we could only accept it as fans? Genuine question. That is a whole different ball game; I would certainly join in with any group contesting that sort of decision. What ever the premiersh*t and it's puppet the EFL decide, we as fans are unlikely to change mainly because it is money talking.
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Post by philbemmygas on Jan 23, 2019 11:31:34 GMT
Not particularly no. Does it bother me. No not particularly. What probably bothers me more is the alter of Sky TV that so many seem to worship. That's tbe root of the problem for small clubs in that it promotes an inequity in football finance. Fair enough. Would the idea of Bristol Rovers vs Bristol City U21 in a competitive fixture bother you? If it happened it would be akin to Stoke v Port Vale; perhaps Avon and Somerset's finest would have a major role to play in any such meeting. I don't think I can make my position any clearer on the subject of this tournament so will now maintain a watching brief until I see something I believe to be a new arguement/point. UTG
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Post by darkbluegas on Jan 23, 2019 11:34:25 GMT
Not particularly no. Does it bother me. No not particularly. What probably bothers me more is the alter of Sky TV that so many seem to worship. That's tbe root of the problem for small clubs in that it promotes an inequity in football finance. Fair enough. Would the idea of Bristol Rovers vs Bristol City U21 in a competitive fixture bother you? No... Bring it on. If it were to happen, Lansdown would have invested another few hundred million of his tax free fortune and we would still be moaning about the price of sausage rolls. So I'd support us and enjoy it tremendously if we beat them.
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Post by tomylil on Jan 23, 2019 11:37:36 GMT
100% it would embarrass the EFL as it should. By all means folks have a day out in London. Even drink around that corporate shithole all day in the quarters but do not attend the match if we get there. Everyone knows we'd take 40,000 plus if the competition was proper, so what better way to make a stand other than sticking two fingers up at the league who must now realise that their pampered millionaire premier league boys who play tip tap every wednesday afternoon with other pampered millionaire premier league boys don't actually add anything to the tournament and come unstuck against grown ups who have mortgages to pay. Whatever money we make does anyone seriously think it would be invested into the team anyway ? but why would i make "a stand" if i believe in the competition ? Your point of view which I respect HG. Fact is apart from a couple of thousand (at most) the majority of gasheads clearly don't believe in the competition otherwise they would have supported it earlier. If those who watched last night go to Wembley then fair enough, but I would personally hope that anyone who didn't, apart from those who were unable to attend last night, give the match a miss, and for those who criticise Sky as the cause of all evil in the English game, just remember who will be screening the final and crowing about what great support "their product" gets.
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Post by tomylil on Jan 23, 2019 11:43:40 GMT
Not particularly no. Does it bother me. No not particularly. What probably bothers me more is the alter of Sky TV that so many seem to worship. That's tbe root of the problem for small clubs in that it promotes an inequity in football finance. Fair enough. Would the idea of Bristol Rovers vs Bristol City U21 in a competitive fixture bother you? That would just about do it for me. There has nearly always been a big gap between Stoke/Port Vale and Forest/County but not City/Rovers. To be deemed an opponent for their U 21's would cement our position as second rate in Bristol. Can't see it happening to be honest but you never know.
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Post by lympstonegas on Jan 23, 2019 11:56:06 GMT
IF we get a home draw in the semi - I'll lay bets now we get more attending than we did last night so I think those against this competition might need to get their protest banners made ready
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Post by axegas on Jan 23, 2019 12:07:53 GMT
Ironically, I actually think the boycott is actually making the chances of B team's playing league football even more likely. The inclusion of U23 sides into the checkatrade trophy has always been a way of appeasing the ever growing calls from foreign managers to adopt the system they have in France, Spain and Germany of having B teams, take the checkatrade away and you will get more clubs being more insistent on having their youngsters included in English football at some level. Noticed that "League 3" has been out of the news ever since the Checkatrades formation?
The reality is that the Premier League and even the EFL to some extent don't give a damn about the attendances in this trophy. It was never a cup renowned for it's attendances before and very few eyelids have been batted in the last 3 years either. The competition could be played behind closed doors for the next ten years and it will still go ahead, the only feedback that carries weight with the EFL bosses is that of the U23 managers and coaches who have described the competition as a massive success.
This competition is a compromise between those who ardently want B teams to be in the English pyramid and those who do not. Get rid of it and League 3 will be put back on the table and then we really could be playing Bristol City U23's and not in cup competition but the actual league.
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Post by grayraydon on Jan 23, 2019 12:10:36 GMT
Not particularly no. Does it bother me. No not particularly. What probably bothers me more is the alter of Sky TV that so many seem to worship. That's tbe root of the problem for small clubs in that it promotes an inequity in football finance. Fair enough. Would the idea of Bristol Rovers vs Bristol City U21 in a competitive fixture bother you? And that there says it all for me, the very thought of a competition where this fixture could happen makes me feel sick. I've said all along that I will never attend another game in this format, including if we were to get to the final and would hope that all fans would do the same but that's just me, each to their own and if somebody else wants to go then that's their call. Where I go along with the idea of if "the money" wants it to happen it will more than likely happen, I just can't see how they could possibly make it work, what level do B teams start at? Is it just for premiership teams, or championship and lower as well if they have the resources, e.g. Sunderland? I would like to think that the strength of our lower leagues compared to other countries where B teams do compete, and the outrage that it would cause makes it an impossibility.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 12:36:38 GMT
IF we get a home draw in the semi - I'll lay bets now we get more attending than we did last night so I think those against this competition might need to get their protest banners made ready What's your take on it LG. Are you okay with U21 teams being in lower league competition?
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Post by lympstonegas on Jan 23, 2019 13:06:30 GMT
1 - I really don't believe it will happen. 2 - I believe what is more likely on the format of the rich get richer is that a Prem Super league will happen which will include the top teams from other nations like Bayern, Barcelona and Man City for example. That the Champions League will become like a League cup for those teams. There will be a split in the Prem league to form this which means those that don't finish in the top 4? might go into a Prem B league that might include the top Scottish teams Celtic rangers Aberdeen for example. The reduction in the Prem super league will mean time for travel, recovery and break the league so craved during winter months etc. 3 - The EFL will carry on it its present format alongside competing for the FA cup. 4 - The Checkertrade trophy will go the same way as its predecessors and die and the old format of the Anglo Scottish / Italian Cup will be reintroduced and also the Watney Cup re the divisions top goals scores will be reborn for the lower divisions There you go - that's my opinion coming from someone that has supported Rovers since 1966 and seen all the changes across football over the past 53 years
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 23, 2019 13:10:42 GMT
Lets face it th whole fucckin world is polarised more than ever. No, it's not.
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Post by oviedista on Jan 23, 2019 13:15:25 GMT
Fair enough. Would the idea of Bristol Rovers vs Bristol City U21 in a competitive fixture bother you? That would just about do it for me. There has nearly always been a big gap between Stoke/Port Vale and Forest/County but not City/Rovers. To be deemed an opponent for their U 21's would cement our position as second rate in Bristol. Can't see it happening to be honest but you never know. Here's how it happens. City enter their U21 side and we get drawn against them.
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Post by jfgas on Jan 23, 2019 15:42:54 GMT
Always thought that as a fan you support your team no matter what - regardless of competition...sounds like a lot of you actually want us to lose lol.
And if we ever drew the shtiheads U21 I would want us to batter the life out of them and kill any hopes or beliefs they may have that one day they will be any good.
Neither Ports or Sunderland will be easy, and Bury are doing rather well in L2 - but if we make it, would definitely be there for the opp to see us win a competition and lift a trophy! Its not like that is something that happens very often - for any club - for us its 2 in 30 years! But yeah, boycott away - that'll show them!
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