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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 10, 2019 0:33:19 GMT
With only 1 x U21 team left out of 8, the odds are obviously now very much against (thank god) an U21 team in the final. Fact - only 3 have ever got to the last 8. We're having a pretty poor season. And this is only a forum - a place where people often have strong opinions and aren't afraid to air / debate them. Unlike the general population. Reality check - if we got to the final, again a normal team, and the tkts were reasonably priced we'd take 30k plus. Talk of 10/15k is a joke. I’m not so sure.... my guess (IF it happens) is we’d take about 17k We'll see (or not...as the case may well be)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 8:14:14 GMT
With only 1 x U21 team left out of 8, the odds are obviously now very much against (thank god) an U21 team in the final. Fact - only 3 have ever got to the last 8. We're having a pretty poor season. And this is only a forum - a place where people often have strong opinions and aren't afraid to air / debate them. Unlike the general population. Reality check - if we got to the final, again a normal team, and the tkts were reasonably priced we'd take 30k plus. Talk of 10/15k is a joke. What makes you think we would take over 30k? We only took 26k to the Conference Final which was a far bigger game with a far bigger outcome. The new Wembley excitement will have worn out on most and it's clear that clubs take far less fans once that has rubbed off. Factoring in the amount of supporters who would boycott, I think we would struggle to take over 15k.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 8:23:37 GMT
Its not defeatist, its called them not giving a crap what we think. They will do what they want. So you can still support your club at the ground or at home. What you have described pretty much defines defeatist! I'm not saying you are wrong but I just can't bring myself to support it in any way. Sadly that kind of defeatest attitude is why the Premier League, FA, EPL and Sky continue to take the p*ss out of supporters and expliot them. They're safe in the knowledge that fans will jump however high they command. The biggest asset to the English game isn't Salah, Aguero etc. It's the supporters who have given our game the unique atmosphere and history over the years. Supporters hold the cards for the direction of the game but unfortunately don't have the desire or commitment to make a stand collectively it seems.
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 10, 2019 9:54:19 GMT
With only 1 x U21 team left out of 8, the odds are obviously now very much against (thank god) an U21 team in the final. Fact - only 3 have ever got to the last 8. We're having a pretty poor season. And this is only a forum - a place where people often have strong opinions and aren't afraid to air / debate them. Unlike the general population. Reality check - if we got to the final, again a normal team, and the tkts were reasonably priced we'd take 30k plus. Talk of 10/15k is a joke. We only took 30k in arguably the biggest game in our history a few years back. I can't see us doing the same for this pathetic, sham of a tournament.
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Post by William Wilson on Jan 10, 2019 9:55:52 GMT
I`ve moved. Now living in the old lavatory on the common, just up from the Wellington. That's you? Jeez. Yes. Do drop in for a cup of tea.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 10, 2019 10:01:42 GMT
What you have described pretty much defines defeatist! I'm not saying you are wrong but I just can't bring myself to support it in any way. Sadly that kind of defeatest attitude is why the Premier League, FA, EPL and Sky continue to take the p*ss out of supporters and expliot them. They're safe in the knowledge that fans will jump however high they command. The biggest asset to the English game isn't Salah, Aguero etc. It's the supporters who have given our game the unique atmosphere and history over the years. Supporters hold the cards for the direction of the game but unfortunately don't have the desire or commitment to make a stand collectively it seems. You can only "make a stand" if you believe what is happening is wrong How do you know that the majority think like you ? BTW I'm against any form of change to the structure of the EFL but i still support my team come what may ! and yes i will be at Wembley IF we get to the final A more meaningful action would be the EFL to either ban U21 loans of limit it to say 1 player per EFL team. That will never happen because teams like ours need them to survive
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Post by socrates on Jan 10, 2019 10:09:40 GMT
The new Wembley stadium is sh**e and this competition is now sh**e. I love my club but not interested in going if we get to the final. Each to their own though.
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Post by oviedista on Jan 10, 2019 10:11:00 GMT
Sadly that kind of defeatest attitude is why the Premier League, FA, EPL and Sky continue to take the p*ss out of supporters and expliot them. They're safe in the knowledge that fans will jump however high they command. The biggest asset to the English game isn't Salah, Aguero etc. It's the supporters who have given our game the unique atmosphere and history over the years. Supporters hold the cards for the direction of the game but unfortunately don't have the desire or commitment to make a stand collectively it seems. You can only "make a stand" if you believe what is happening is wrong How do you know that the majority think like you ? BTW I'm against any form of change to the structure of the EFL but i still support my team come what may ! and yes i will be at Wembley IF we get to the final A more meaningful action would be the EFL to either ban U21 loans of limit it to say 1 player per EFL team. That will never happen because teams like ours need them to survive So you agree with the current format and think it's a good alternative to loans - so support it?
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Jan 10, 2019 10:16:24 GMT
The new Wembley stadium is sh**e and this competition is now sh**e. I love my club but not interested in going if we get to the final. Each to their own though. Totally agree about the new Wembley. They made a complete pig’s ear of it. Walking down Wembley Way seeing the twin towers approaching was so iconic. I went to 4 games at the old Wembley (The two Gas defeats, Wimborne Town winning the FA Vase and England beating Holland 4-1 in Euro 96), all as a child. Facilities seemed fine to me and each occasion was very special and memorable. Going to the Shrewsbury playoff win was great but only because of the result and camaraderie of the fans. The stadium felt soulless, the matchday experience likewise and the surrounding area was a dump. All at the cost of, what was it, 800 million? How to ruin something genuinely special at great cost and for no good reason.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 10, 2019 10:30:21 GMT
You can only "make a stand" if you believe what is happening is wrong How do you know that the majority think like you ? BTW I'm against any form of change to the structure of the EFL but i still support my team come what may ! and yes i will be at Wembley IF we get to the final A more meaningful action would be the EFL to either ban U21 loans of limit it to say 1 player per EFL team. That will never happen because teams like ours need them to survive So you agree with the current format and think it's a good alternative to loans - so support it? Think this answers your question
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 10, 2019 11:11:16 GMT
Sadly that kind of defeatest attitude is why the Premier League, FA, EPL and Sky continue to take the p*ss out of supporters and expliot them. They're safe in the knowledge that fans will jump however high they command. The biggest asset to the English game isn't Salah, Aguero etc. It's the supporters who have given our game the unique atmosphere and history over the years. Supporters hold the cards for the direction of the game but unfortunately don't have the desire or commitment to make a stand collectively it seems. You can only "make a stand" if you believe what is happening is wrong How do you know that the majority think like you ? BTW I'm against any form of change to the structure of the EFL but i still support my team come what may ! and yes i will be at Wembley IF we get to the final A more meaningful action would be the EFL to either ban U21 loans of limit it to say 1 player per EFL team. That will never happen because teams like ours need them to survive I think that's FIFA's intention with their proposals to limit loans to 6 or 8 per Premiership club, if they come into force and most of those then go to Championship sides there will be few loan players left playing in lower league football. www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/dec/13/fifa-rules-loan-premier-league-clubs-chelsea-manchester-city
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Post by baggins on Jan 10, 2019 11:27:34 GMT
Yes. Do drop in for a cup of tea. It won't be tea.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 11:38:03 GMT
Yes. Do drop in for a cup of tea. It won't be tea. but he will dip a ball bag into the warm water.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 11:55:18 GMT
So you agree with the current format and think it's a good alternative to loans - so support it? Think this answers your question So you think the current action is wrong but you're not prepared to take a stand against it?
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Post by baggins on Jan 10, 2019 11:57:54 GMT
but he will dip a ball bag into the warm water. Think I'll give it a miss.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 12:05:27 GMT
Sadly that kind of defeatest attitude is why the Premier League, FA, EPL and Sky continue to take the p*ss out of supporters and expliot them. They're safe in the knowledge that fans will jump however high they command. The biggest asset to the English game isn't Salah, Aguero etc. It's the supporters who have given our game the unique atmosphere and history over the years. Supporters hold the cards for the direction of the game but unfortunately don't have the desire or commitment to make a stand collectively it seems. You can only "make a stand" if you believe what is happening is wrong How do you know that the majority think like you ? BTW I'm against any form of change to the structure of the EFL but i still support my team come what may ! and yes i will be at Wembley IF we get to the final A more meaningful action would be the EFL to either ban U21 loans of limit it to say 1 player per EFL team. That will never happen because teams like ours need them to survive Well in this case the majority across the country have not engaged/boycotted this competition which suggests they do. Broadly speaking, supporter polls clearly illustrate the discontent with lots of things in the modern game. To those who say supporter action can't make a difference, I would point to the Premier League's unprecedented decision to cap away tickets at £30 in 2016. This followed protests and boycotts, notably with Liverpool fans leaving plenty of empty seats at Hull, What's your logic in proposing a ban or limiting loan players to 1 a team? That would simply result in clubs loaning players abroad and would bring extra motivation to buy a place in the football league ladder for their U21 teams.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 12:08:39 GMT
Is it true that the prize money for winning the thing is 100k?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 10, 2019 12:12:14 GMT
Think this answers your question So you think the current action is wrong but you're not prepared to take a stand against it? Correct ! I support MY team, not something i or you can change with or without a boycott
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 10, 2019 12:14:13 GMT
Is it true that the prize money for winning the thing is 100k? Plus a large share of the gate money from Wembley
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 12:14:43 GMT
So you think the current action is wrong but you're not prepared to take a stand against it? Correct ! I support MY team, not something i or you can change with or without a boycott Bejesus! Just what has Geoff Boycott got to do with this, and why do we need him?
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