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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 10, 2019 16:25:24 GMT
We always fielded our bench sitters and young players in this competition anyway unless we made the semis, so what's the problem? We're not allowed to, anymore.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 10, 2019 17:09:01 GMT
to coin a famous phrase often misquoted on here - What evidence do you have to support your suggestion ? The Only way you are going to get these people attension is to get your placards out and do what they do in parliament square and go to Wembley to protest If it's a naked protest, then I'm in ! Well that's made my mind up not to go. *Shudder*
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 10, 2019 17:14:13 GMT
I won’t go if we get to Wembley. Nothing would make me prouder to be gas than be the first fans to boycott it. The fa and efl don’t care about the smaller clubs. Premier 2 isn’t far off and then what. The fa cup the fa are meant to be the protectors of the history and traditions of that competition. They’ve failed big time. It’s only a matter of time before they push to kill the history and tradition of the football League. I fear for the future of rovers and football at this level so that is why I’m making a stand. Following and having even a season ticket will be a thing of the past for me if b teams are in the same division. Germany have b teams in the lower leagues the fans hate it. They’ve managed to push them down a level. This is something we don’t want to leave a gap in the door for. I think it will happen as people just moan about things in this country that’s what we’re good at now. There’s a bigger picture What's your evidence for these thoughts ? Yeah, I agree. It's not like they've tried to force Prem B teams into a Football League competition or anything already. Oh, and gave them a completely different set of rules than lower league teams. And then fined and bullied lower league teams for not following those unfair rules. And thank goodness, because if they had I'm sure you'd be really watered off about it. So, like you say, no evidence at all.
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Post by orgasmic on Jan 10, 2019 17:25:28 GMT
I'd rather sh!t in my hands and clap than watch a game in this competition in its current format. Getting to Wembley won't change that. Not attending is the only way of stopping the FA destroying the lower leagues and widening the gap between the Premier League. An absolute farse. I see it as the perfect format for showing off young talent to League 1 and 2 clubs prior to the endless loans they have to endure before being discarded to one of them. We always fielded our bench sitters and young players in this competition anyway unless we made the semis, so what's the problem? We could learn from them too. It's not as though we've lost to any U21 teams, is it? I don't buy into the conspiracy theory that it's a project with the intention of eventually adding PL reserve teams to Leagues 1 and 2. That sounds like something made up in the Oval Office and thrown out on social media where it became 'God's' honest truth. The PL is the best league in the world and why people hate it is beyond me, but each to their own. And please don't mention Brian Clough. He forked out millions to win the league back in the nostalgia years and we knocked 8 past one of his sides in a powerful display of shooting skills that all our "forwards" should be made to watch over and over again strapped in a chair with their eyelids taped up. The reason I and others buy into the "conspiracy theory" that the FA are trying to get B teams into the league is because they've already proposed it. When the proposal was rejected, the compromise was to let them into this tournament. When the backlash from fans boycotting it and vocally slating the decision started causing waves they upped the prize money to entice directors into agreeing to keep the current format. Now if you don't believe the long term aim is to add B teams into the football league that is entirely your choice. By the way I have some magic beans that I think you might be interested in and they are very reasonably priced! For the record I have no problems with the PL and agree it is a fantastic division. The reason I object to B teams in the football league is: It allows PL teams to hoover up all the young talent and give them competitive matches with no risk. I believe youngsters should be played in the first team when ready. The FL trophy was designed to give teams from L1 and L2 to get a day out at Wembley. It's not for PL teams. If it continues we could end up facing Bristol City under 23's and losing! The reason they gave for doing this was to benefit the national team but non English players are eligible as are a number of older players. Charlie Adams played recently and that won't help the England team at all! It cheapens the importance of the FL by effectively creating reserve matches. I could continue but I have to do more important things. If you want to support that, then that is your decision. As I said, I would rather sh!t in my hands and clap than support what I believe is a farse.
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Jan 10, 2019 17:48:06 GMT
Any proposal would need the backing of the clubs and they will never approve the inclusion of B Teams in the EFL should this ever rear its ugly head again as it is not in anyone's interest outside of the Premier League. Clubs only agreed to the cup proposal as it was more money for them in a competition they didn't really care about anyway.
I understand the argument and boycotts for the U21s not being included in the Checkatrade, I agree there as it should just be for Leagues 1 & 2, but all this scaremongering about B teams being included in the EFL in the near future as a result of attendance figures in a lower league trophy is ridiculous.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 10, 2019 18:02:45 GMT
Any proposal would need the backing of the clubs and they will never approve the inclusion of B Teams in the EFL should this ever rear its ugly head again as it is not in anyone's interest outside of the Premier League. Clubs only agreed to the cup proposal as it was more money for them in a competition they didn't really care about anyway. I understand the argument and boycotts for the U21s not being included in the Checkatrade, I agree there as it should just be for Leagues 1 & 2, but all this scaremongering about B teams being included in the EFL in the near future as a result of attendance figures in a lower league trophy is ridiculous. Plus if that's there intention and the EFL clubs are daft enough to vote for it I doubt a few Gasheads boycotting a Wembley finally will make one on ounce of difference, perhaps if both sets of fans did boycott the final it would but from the recent finals that's never going to happen.
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Post by gregsy on Jan 10, 2019 18:02:57 GMT
The draw less than an hour away now....
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 10, 2019 18:06:05 GMT
Any proposal would need the backing of the clubs and they will never approve the inclusion of B Teams in the EFL should this ever rear its ugly head again as it is not in anyone's interest outside of the Premier League. Clubs only agreed to the cup proposal as it was more money for them in a competition they didn't really care about anyway. I understand the argument and boycotts for the U21s not being included in the Checkatrade, I agree there as it should just be for Leagues 1 & 2, but all this scaremongering about B teams being included in the EFL in the near future as a result of attendance figures in a lower league trophy is ridiculous. So you don't believe that B teams in the lower league is possible yet B teams are already in the lower league cup competition. The attendance figures have ALWAYS been the way that w**ker Harvey has justified B teams in this competition. It's really not rocket science or even any great conspiracy theory. It's all right there in front of your face.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 10, 2019 18:08:46 GMT
Any proposal would need the backing of the clubs and they will never approve the inclusion of B Teams in the EFL should this ever rear its ugly head again as it is not in anyone's interest outside of the Premier League. Clubs only agreed to the cup proposal as it was more money for them in a competition they didn't really care about anyway. I understand the argument and boycotts for the U21s not being included in the Checkatrade, I agree there as it should just be for Leagues 1 & 2, but all this scaremongering about B teams being included in the EFL in the near future as a result of attendance figures in a lower league trophy is ridiculous. Plus if that's there intention and the EFL clubs are daft enough to vote for it I doubt a few Gasheads boycotting a Wembley finally will make one on ounce of difference, perhaps if both sets of fans did boycott the final it would but from the recent finals that's never going to happen. They cant do it unless FL clubs vote for it. If clubs see this competition as an opportunity to make money (from prize money and ticket revenue) the then they are more likely to vote for it.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 10, 2019 18:13:34 GMT
Any proposal would need the backing of the clubs and they will never approve the inclusion of B Teams in the EFL should this ever rear its ugly head again as it is not in anyone's interest outside of the Premier League. Clubs only agreed to the cup proposal as it was more money for them in a competition they didn't really care about anyway. I understand the argument and boycotts for the U21s not being included in the Checkatrade, I agree there as it should just be for Leagues 1 & 2, but all this scaremongering about B teams being included in the EFL in the near future as a result of attendance figures in a lower league trophy is ridiculous. I didn't say it would happen, I said, if (when) they tried to make it happen again they would invoke the success of the Checkatrade competition in regard to attendances. I don't see how that's ridiculous. Trying to get B teams in the league has already happened. Invoking the success of the Checkatrade in regard to attendances has already happened. Not sure what is so ridiculous or scaremongering about two things that have already happened, happening.
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Post by oviedista on Jan 10, 2019 18:44:08 GMT
I'd rather sh!t in my hands and clap than watch a game in this competition in its current format. Getting to Wembley won't change that. Not attending is the only way of stopping the FA destroying the lower leagues and widening the gap between the Premier League. An absolute farse. I see it as the perfect format for showing off young talent to League 1 and 2 clubs prior to the endless loans they have to endure before being discarded to one of them. We always fielded our bench sitters and young players in this competition anyway unless we made the semis, so what's the problem? We could learn from them too. It's not as though we've lost to any U21 teams, is it? I don't buy into the conspiracy theory that it's a project with the intention of eventually adding PL reserve teams to Leagues 1 and 2. That sounds like something made up in the Oval Office and thrown out on social media where it became 'God's' honest truth. The PL is the best league in the world and why people hate it is beyond me, but each to their own. And please don't mention Brian Clough. He forked out millions to win the league back in the nostalgia years and we knocked 8 past one of his sides in a powerful display of shooting skills that all our "forwards" should be made to watch over and over again strapped in a chair with their eyelids taped up. It's not a conspiracy theory by any stretch - they literally attempted to introduce b teams before resorting to using the Trophy. Loads of people at the top of the game are pushing for b teams in public statements. For me, it's what the way things are clearly headed.
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Jan 10, 2019 19:06:54 GMT
Any proposal would need the backing of the clubs and they will never approve the inclusion of B Teams in the EFL should this ever rear its ugly head again as it is not in anyone's interest outside of the Premier League. Clubs only agreed to the cup proposal as it was more money for them in a competition they didn't really care about anyway. I understand the argument and boycotts for the U21s not being included in the Checkatrade, I agree there as it should just be for Leagues 1 & 2, but all this scaremongering about B teams being included in the EFL in the near future as a result of attendance figures in a lower league trophy is ridiculous. So you don't believe that B teams in the lower league is possible yet B teams are already in the lower league cup competition. The attendance figures have ALWAYS been the way that w**ker Harvey has justified B teams in this competition. It's really not rocket science or even any great conspiracy theory. It's all right there in front of your face. Not in front of my face, thanks. An already poorly supported cup competition and the league are very different. Of course it's possible, anything is, but very unlikely and the Checkatrade attendances won't affect anything other than Harvey including the figures in any flawed new proposal. He still has to rely on the agreement of the EFL clubs and it will never happen as not enough clubs are that stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 19:07:48 GMT
If Sunderland make the final they could sell out the whole stadium to their fans.This opportunity is almost certainly regarded as a one and only chance for them to play at Wembley (unless their u-21s make it next season). Absolutely no f**king chance would any of our mob (family) even contemplate turning up to watch this abortion of a non competition.
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Jan 10, 2019 19:15:21 GMT
Any proposal would need the backing of the clubs and they will never approve the inclusion of B Teams in the EFL should this ever rear its ugly head again as it is not in anyone's interest outside of the Premier League. Clubs only agreed to the cup proposal as it was more money for them in a competition they didn't really care about anyway. I understand the argument and boycotts for the U21s not being included in the Checkatrade, I agree there as it should just be for Leagues 1 & 2, but all this scaremongering about B teams being included in the EFL in the near future as a result of attendance figures in a lower league trophy is ridiculous. I didn't say it would happen, I said, if (when) they tried to make it happen again they would invoke the success of the Checkatrade competition in regard to attendances. I don't see how that's ridiculous. Trying to get B teams in the league has already happened. Invoking the success of the Checkatrade in regard to attendances has already happened. Not sure what is so ridiculous or scaremongering about two things that have already happened, happening. Happened and rejected. May happen again and will be rejected again. There's not even a new proposal on the table but apparently it's the end of football as we know it.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 10, 2019 19:16:28 GMT
I see it as the perfect format for showing off young talent to League 1 and 2 clubs prior to the endless loans they have to endure before being discarded to one of them. We always fielded our bench sitters and young players in this competition anyway unless we made the semis, so what's the problem? We could learn from them too. It's not as though we've lost to any U21 teams, is it? I don't buy into the conspiracy theory that it's a project with the intention of eventually adding PL reserve teams to Leagues 1 and 2. That sounds like something made up in the Oval Office and thrown out on social media where it became 'God's' honest truth. The PL is the best league in the world and why people hate it is beyond me, but each to their own. And please don't mention Brian Clough. He forked out millions to win the league back in the nostalgia years and we knocked 8 past one of his sides in a powerful display of shooting skills that all our "forwards" should be made to watch over and over again strapped in a chair with their eyelids taped up. It's not a conspiracy theory by any stretch - they literally attempted to introduce b teams before resorting to using the Trophy. Loads of people at the top of the game are pushing for b teams in public statements. For me, it's what the way things are clearly headed. Where are they? I can't recall the new Chelsea or Arsenal manager calling for B teams to join the EFL? Wenger was a supporter but he's long gone. A quick search on Google suggests nobody has raised it since 2016.
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Post by lympstonegas on Jan 10, 2019 19:23:59 GMT
Oh well like it or not we have drawn Port Vale at the Mem Sunderland have Man City so one big boy will def go out
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 19:24:05 GMT
Home to Port Vale. Sunderland v Man City
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 10, 2019 19:25:42 GMT
I didn't say it would happen, I said, if (when) they tried to make it happen again they would invoke the success of the Checkatrade competition in regard to attendances. I don't see how that's ridiculous. Trying to get B teams in the league has already happened. Invoking the success of the Checkatrade in regard to attendances has already happened. Not sure what is so ridiculous or scaremongering about two things that have already happened, happening. Happened and rejected. May happen again and will be rejected again. There's not even a new proposal on the table but apparently it's the end of football as we know it. Well, fair enough, I don't necessarily disagree with that (although I'd love to be more sure than hopeful), but not really sure what your problem with the situation is. You seem to loathe the idea of playing B teams, you don't want them in the checkatrade, and you don't want them in the league, you also don't like or trust Harvey, and you think the Prem want B teams in the lower leagues, but you object to the discussion about it?
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Post by lympstonegas on Jan 10, 2019 19:26:17 GMT
Portsmouth v Peterborough Bury v Oxford
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Post by Rod1883 on Jan 10, 2019 19:29:24 GMT
Home to Port Vale. Sunderland v Man City I'll repeat what I said earlier when we prematurely thought we were at Oxford (was that the rehearsal draw?): "A good to reasonable chance of progressing and earning a bit more prize money. Glad we missed the big boys for another round." It's also good that one of Man City and Sunderland, and one of Pompey and Posh will go out
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