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Post by pirate on Jan 21, 2019 0:11:48 GMT
This team we have screams relegation struggle next season to avoid non league football again. Its been there for all of us to see this season. Massive rebuild required next season with decent backing from the owners but whats more likely is a huge budget cut and a relegation battle. Chesterfield = rovers except they have a lovely ground. I'm worried you might be right!
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Post by pirate on Jan 21, 2019 0:16:10 GMT
Not counting caretaker managers, Dobson was in post for 12 games and Penny had 13. The interview just screams inexperience. I wish we'd at least brought in someone experienced to work with him, we so needs a fresh set of eyes and some new blood on the playing side too. I might be bonkers here, but Holloway? At least he has the profile to bring in some decent players. Get him and Penrice in and I would back them to attract 3 or 4 better players than Coughlan is likely to attract. Desperate times call for desperate measures possibly.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 21, 2019 6:28:42 GMT
We're all exaggerating, it wasn't that bad. Gas_Quarters will tell you that. He wasn't at the game but can tell you all about how we are exaggerating how poor the performance was. Ooh I’ve never been tagged before. Maybe I picked a bad game to pull you up on it for as it sounds as though we were horrific so my apologies for that. However I was making the point that I read on here probably at least 5 times per season that “that is the worst I’ve ever seen us play” when realistically it isn’t always that bad is it? Well, 5 home games ago was the worse I've ever seen us and we've got progressively worse ever since so it is possible.
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Post by Congas on Jan 21, 2019 7:39:22 GMT
I wouldn’t extrapolate that we have a bad dressing room the same like in 2011. I think these lot are primadonnas and snowflakes rather than just having a bad attitude. Prima donna has always been the derogatory term for footballers who don't put their bodies on the line, you don't need the buzzword snowflake as well. Here's the reason why: www.theguardian.com/science/2016/nov/28/snowflake-insult-disdain-young-people
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 21, 2019 8:12:33 GMT
I wouldn’t extrapolate that we have a bad dressing room the same like in 2011. I think these lot are primadonnas and snowflakes rather than just having a bad attitude. Prima donna has always been the derogatory term for footballers who don't put their bodies on the line, you don't need the buzzword snowflake as well. Here's the reason why: www.theguardian.com/science/2016/nov/28/snowflake-insult-disdain-young-peopleI don’t think we need a pretentious debate fuelled by a wanky Guardian article about the appropriateness of the term snowflake to describe these lot. My point is clear. These lot are weak and afraid, and afraid to pick themselves up and get on with the job. If we had 10 more players in the mould of Tony Craig we’d be fine.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 21, 2019 8:17:10 GMT
I don’t think we need a pretentious debate fuelled by a wanky Guardian article about the appropriateness of the term snowflake to describe these lot. My point is clear. These lot are weak and afraid, and afraid to pick themselves up and get on with the job. If we had 10 more players in the mould of Tony Craig we’d be fine.You need to put James Clarke on your list. The most underrated player at the club and ALWAYS gives 110%
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 21, 2019 8:35:26 GMT
I don’t think we need a pretentious debate fuelled by a wanky Guardian article about the appropriateness of the term snowflake to describe these lot. My point is clear. These lot are weak and afraid, and afraid to pick themselves up and get on with the job. If we had 10 more players in the mould of Tony Craig we’d be fine.You need to put James Clarke on your list. The most underrated player at the club and ALWAYS gives 110% Very true, playing very well this season and on Saturday showed growing strength in skill too when playing on the wing. I feel bad for not including Sincs in that category too!
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 21, 2019 8:40:27 GMT
I don’t think we need a pretentious debate fuelled by a wanky Guardian article about the appropriateness of the term snowflake to describe these lot. My point is clear. These lot are weak and afraid, and afraid to pick themselves up and get on with the job. If we had 10 more players in the mould of Tony Craig we’d be fine. We'd be sh**, but fine.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 8:52:33 GMT
I've said since the start of the season that we lack height, physicality and strength. Teams seem to be able to boss us physically. This is why I was sad to see Broadbent leave.
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Post by dragonfly on Jan 21, 2019 9:15:27 GMT
I've said since the start of the season that we lack height, physicality and strength. Teams seem to be able to boss us physically. This is why I was sad to see Broadbent leave. I agree, this has been quite a problem which often leaves us struggling to compete in the required way. Letting Broadbent leave makes little sense as he has played many more times than Menayese in Div 1 and Craig is in the twilight of his career. There seems to be little vision for the future.
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Post by landrover on Jan 21, 2019 9:22:37 GMT
I see that the Chelsea manager is now taking flak for daring to rip into his players. Perhaps this is the new way, at least I hope so. Players need to take responsibility more. Bigger wages should buy you better ability, not a better attitude. That should be a given.
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Post by Gassy on Jan 21, 2019 10:22:04 GMT
Thought it was a strange interview. GC saying that he'll take the blame for that game, but won't do it in future, wants 11 new players based on that performance & won't put his name on that performance.
I dunno how they do it in Ireland, but that doesn't really constitute taking the blame to me!
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Post by pirate on Jan 21, 2019 14:36:11 GMT
Not counting caretaker managers, Dobson was in post for 12 games and Penny had 13. The interview just screams inexperience. I wish we'd at least brought in someone experienced to work with him, we so needs a fresh set of eyes and some new blood on the playing side too. Thinking more about this, maybe ask someone like John Still to come in on some sort of consultancy basis, similar to what Lennie Lawrence is doing for Mike Flynn at Newport. Still's knowledge of management is second to none, his experience could prove invaluable and his eye for a player is very good. I know he has recently retired from management, but that type of role might appeal to him. Even if he just came in to advise the board it would be a start.
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Post by landrover on Jan 21, 2019 15:21:58 GMT
Coughlan’s has the job for two minutes and he needs help all of a sudden. It reminds me of the tv licensing advert, you know the one that starts with I think you’re gorgeous, and you’re amazing, I think I love you etc. It ends 20 seconds later with you’re stifling me, I want a divorce, talk to my lawyer. He’s in his forties for Christ sake, not his teens.
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Post by titchthephot on Jan 21, 2019 15:31:28 GMT
If G.C wanted to kill the moral of the team/club/ supporters then he did it with the post match interview. Think about it from the point of view of the players "ship 3 or 4 out" he said, players not keeping the shirt etc etc so, now not knowing who he is talking about, the supporters dont know, it's just that it has unsettled everyone. Players lose confidence, supporters get pi55ed off. What G.C didnt say was that he cocked up, he didnt stay with the settled side and tactics that had done so well so far. Playing Payne as a target man doesn't work because he is not a target man, he isn't tall enough, cant jump and not very good at holding the ball up. That is not the worst effect play hoof ball had. Wth Lockyer believing he can make Holywood passes, which he can't, his launches aerial passes towards Payne who gets nowhere near them. Thats not the worst effect of that play causes, the worst effect is that now Jacko doesn't get the type of pass he feeds on, the type of pass that lets him run onto or dribble past defenders, the type of pass that he thrives on. G.C got it wrong but whats more worrying is that G.C either didn't realise why things weren't working or if he did, he didn't know how to change it, the changes he did make were to late and ineffective. One last rant. If Sercome was unfit why didn't he play Lines from the off. Rant over, yes I know I am guilty of 20 .20 hindsite. I couldn't disagree more with your statement. It's about time a manager gave these mollycoddled footballers a few home truths. They get paid good wages to entertain the fans and if they fall short they should be told so. I thought GC interview was superb. It showed that he has a limit to his patience and some of the players (most on Saturday!) were close to that limit. Saturdays game was Conference standard - from both teams. Their right back could only do one thing and that was hoof the ball as high as he could (although I think he was the one that scored- but more because of our mistakes than his skill). Hopefully the players will know that what they did was well below standard and pull their socks up. Most of them are easily capable of a much better quality of football. Having said that I personally think that Kelly should go back to the Academy squad and get some more experience. Far too many stray passes and not enough pace for Div 1.......and Payne has to go!
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Post by twertonboy on Jan 21, 2019 15:32:23 GMT
I don’t think we need a pretentious debate fuelled by a wanky Guardian article about the appropriateness of the term snowflake to describe these lot. My point is clear. These lot are weak and afraid, and afraid to pick themselves up and get on with the job. If we had 10 more players in the mould of Tony Craig we’d be fine.You need to put James Clarke on your list. The most underrated player at the club and ALWAYS gives 110% And that tells the bigger picture that no offence to James Clarke but he shouldn’t be our best player this season!
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Post by twertonboy on Jan 21, 2019 15:34:19 GMT
I don’t think we need a pretentious debate fuelled by a wanky Guardian article about the appropriateness of the term snowflake to describe these lot. My point is clear. These lot are weak and afraid, and afraid to pick themselves up and get on with the job. If we had 10 more players in the mould of Tony Craig we’d be fine.[/quote Tony Craig is a shocking defender so no thanks
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 15:42:00 GMT
Found today’s interview false, frustrated and hard to listen to. We need players ASAP or GC won’t be in the job long either.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 15:44:39 GMT
Found today’s interview false, frustrated and hard to listen to. We need players ASAP or GC won’t be in the job long either. Must say following on from Saturday's aftermatch interview, this just drove me further towards depression.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 15:47:19 GMT
Found today’s interview false, frustrated and hard to listen to. We need players ASAP or GC won’t be in the job long either. Must say following on from Saturday's aftermatch interview, this just drove me further towards depression. whole clubs on a right downer!
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