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Post by stevek192 on Jan 21, 2019 10:41:26 GMT
IMO it may well be that Saturdays defeat or should I say the nature of the defeat could prove to be a blessing in disguise to our chances of avoiding relegation because had we either won Saturday or played very well and unfortunately lost then both Manager and Board could have looked at it and decided that signings were not necessary and that the present squad was good enough to keep us up. Now after the nature of the defeat where we were absolutely awful and on the back of the draw at Accrington and the draw at home to Burton neither of which we were particularly good surely the Owners and the Manager will both be alarmed and want to ensure that we are good enough to face the months ahead? You would certainly hope that the Owners have looked at the finances and realised that sometime as an owner you have to speculate to accumulate and this time has now been reached. The cost of relegation will be phenomenal even compared to last time we were relegated as we fans will not be as forgiving this time if our forward trend is halted and we head back to stage 1. That has been shown this season with failure to make adequate signings by DC has resulted in crowds that are around 2000 down on last season and the reason is not only the results but also down to fans seeing doubting both the intentions and the integrity of the owners. Failure to allow three or even four signings to be made now and particularly strikers with a goalscoring record will not be forgiven by fans who have watched the most pathetic striking record I can remember in 50 odd years of watching.
I can understand the position that GC is in he is not going to go down the road of criticising the Board - he doesn't need to as it will be clear now for all to see. It is also clear that DC was as much to blame for the problems we now face by signing too many players of limited or should I say the same ability as those we had. We certainly are not short of players but we are short of players who can actually make a difference .It actually embarrassed me Saturday when Akinfenwa came on and we see his lack of fitness and huge figure and yet it is almost certain that he would have done a better job than all our forwards put together this season and together would also have probably brought more out of the strikers we have.
It is clear for everybody to see that we need at least three players all of whom have at least League 1 pedigree and are better than what we have and that is not going to come cheap. The tall striker who leads the attack is the absolute priority particularly if GC is going to persevere with the kick and rush which is probably the only "style" we can play with our back four the way they are. We are playing this style without the tools to actually accomplish it!! Payne is suffering the main buck of the fans but is he really to blame . Has he ever been the out and out leader of the attack? I don't think so and am sure that we have not seen anywhere near the best from him. We needed in the summer a Devante Cole or a Tom Eaves , it was clear then and even clearer now. we present no threat in the air whatsoever to any team in this division and teams know that if they have a huge centre half we have no way of competing at either end of the pitch. I see two strikers,a left midfielder and possibly another central midfielder as essential or I fear we will be way adrift of safety by mid to end of February certainly based on the last two home games.
Now we will all find out just what the ambition of our owners is. I fear that they are going to be found wanting and it is not a nice thought! The defeat Saturday proved a point but can only be a blessing in disguise if it spurs the owners and Manager into action.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 21, 2019 10:44:55 GMT
TBA Steve i will be very surprised if we got anybody in with the Quality you talk about
#sadtosayso
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Post by axegas on Jan 21, 2019 10:56:11 GMT
No defeat can ever be described as a blessing certainly not one where we play like we did, I certainly didn’t come away from Wycombe having felt blessed to be in attendance that’s for sure!
I think it’s been obvious for quite a while now that the squad that we have will only scrape survival at best and Saturday reinforced worries that our shortcomings could send us down. I would certainly like to think that new signings were in GC and the boards plans all along as we haven’t been playing that great football even when we have managed to get a draw or a slim win.
On a final note, you mention crowds are down by 2000 but our average attendance is 8,103 compared with lasts years figure of 8,933, so only down by 800ish which really reflects well on the unwavering support of the majority of gasheads considering our awful home form this season, I’m not sure how long it will last if the last two home performances repeat themselves but the support is decent and deserves a lot better.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 21, 2019 10:56:59 GMT
If they didn't realize we were poor then we were doomed either way.
I do understand your logic but we simply can't afford to keep dropping points, especially at home.
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Post by twertonboy on Jan 21, 2019 10:57:46 GMT
I honestly think the board have decided it’s fine if we’re in league 2 so we don’t have to pay league one wages. Their blatantly reducing the squad and overall running costs..
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 21, 2019 10:58:54 GMT
No defeat can ever be described as a blessing certainly not one where we play like we did, I certainly didn’t come away from Wycombe having felt blessed to be in attendance that’s for sure! I think it’s been obvious for quite a while now that the squad that we have will only scrape survival at best and Saturday reinforced worries that our shortcomings could send us down. I would certainly like to think that new signings were in GC and the boards plans all along as we haven’t been playing that great football even when we have managed to get a draw or a slim win. On a final note, you mention crowds are down by 2000 but our average attendance is 8,103 compared with lasts years figure of 8,933, so only down by 800ish which really reflects well on the unwavering support of the majority of gasheads considering our awful home form this season, I’m not sure how long it will last if the last two home performances repeat themselves but the support is decent and deserves a lot better. Crowd figures are misleading as STs are counted. I wonder how many were actually in the ground. I'm sure the club already has a picture of how many ST holders have started doing other stuff on a Saturday.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 21, 2019 11:00:17 GMT
I honestly think the board have decided it’s fine if we’re in league 2 so we don’t have to pay league one wages. Their blatantly reducing the squad and overall running costs.. But they are money grabbers who are fleesing the club. Why would they deliberately devalue it?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 21, 2019 11:03:01 GMT
I honestly think the board have decided it’s fine if we’re in league 2 so we don’t have to pay league one wages. Their blatantly reducing the squad and overall running costs.. Lol. Reminds me of the rumour on the old forum during a spate of long-term injuries around 2013 that Phil Kite was deliberately injuring the players.
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Post by axegas on Jan 21, 2019 11:08:00 GMT
No defeat can ever be described as a blessing certainly not one where we play like we did, I certainly didn’t come away from Wycombe having felt blessed to be in attendance that’s for sure! I think it’s been obvious for quite a while now that the squad that we have will only scrape survival at best and Saturday reinforced worries that our shortcomings could send us down. I would certainly like to think that new signings were in GC and the boards plans all along as we haven’t been playing that great football even when we have managed to get a draw or a slim win. On a final note, you mention crowds are down by 2000 but our average attendance is 8,103 compared with lasts years figure of 8,933, so only down by 800ish which really reflects well on the unwavering support of the majority of gasheads considering our awful home form this season, I’m not sure how long it will last if the last two home performances repeat themselves but the support is decent and deserves a lot better. Crowd figures are misleading as STs are counted. I wonder how many were actually in the ground. I'm sure the club already has a picture of how many ST holders have started doing other stuff on a Saturday. But that’s always been the case, Football League rules state that clubs must disclose the amount of tickets sold and distributed for a game, not how many people are actually in attendance. That’s why when anyone refers to attendances it’s got to be taken with a big pinch of salt. Regardless, 8,103 people have paid to be at our matches this season whether they have attended or not, 8,933 did the last season etc.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 21, 2019 11:14:32 GMT
I honestly think the board have decided it’s fine if we’re in league 2 so we don’t have to pay league one wages. Their blatantly reducing the squad and overall running costs..What evidence do you have?
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Post by gasman on Jan 21, 2019 11:19:03 GMT
And the only player that actually took the ball out from a defence and attacked players is now gone, so its quite obvious the tactics were to just dump it from the back to the front because there's no one in the midfield who has any ability to run at players because there just not up to the standard, ill even say that I believe Broadbent was better than 10 of the players that played against Wycombe.
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Post by gasman on Jan 21, 2019 11:45:46 GMT
I honestly think the board have decided it’s fine if we’re in league 2 so we don’t have to pay league one wages. Their blatantly reducing the squad and overall running costs..What evidence do you have? Evidence you taking the water, did you not watch that team against Wycombe.
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Post by nsgas on Jan 21, 2019 11:47:31 GMT
I honestly think the board have decided it’s fine if we’re in league 2 so we don’t have to pay league one wages. Their blatantly reducing the squad and overall running costs.. But they are money grabbers who are fleesing the club. Why would they deliberately devalue it? The only value that the club has is the equity remaining in the stadium, if there is any left at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 11:59:06 GMT
The owners provided the football professionals with a mid table budget. The owners were let down by the football professionals. The squad is bigger than bristol city's,its too big even allowing for changes in the loan system.
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Post by twertonboy on Jan 21, 2019 12:04:59 GMT
So think about it....they cash in on the best players we had which is fair enough but their business savy was all wrong because we only had a decent price for Harrison(which I’m not saying they done on purpose) but don’t spend the money on any new players instead they spend the money which we were given for being in the league...1.6million has been banked and they bring in 3m at least a year from gate receipts... And we can only get players like Craig/Bennett on a free? They bring in GC as yes he’s done well but it’s pretty obvious any manager coming in with a reputation or any chance of taking the team higher would want promises of transfer fund or money spent on the team..but they know GC would take his chance and not promise this. Their not pushing to keep players with higher wages and the quality has been stripped from the team without any real investment (this is why DC has lost the plot with them) They’ve been quiet for 2 seasons now and no input and false promises have stopped so don’t you think it’s pretty obvious this isn’t a board that are too bothered with the consequences?
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Post by paulpirate on Jan 21, 2019 12:07:57 GMT
The owners provided the football professionals with a mid table budget. The owners were let down by the football professionals. The squad is bigger than bristol city's,its too big even allowing for changes in the loan system. quality not quantity though isn’t it,that’s what I tell the Mrs 😊
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Post by twertonboy on Jan 21, 2019 12:09:25 GMT
The owners provided the football professionals with a mid table budget. The owners were let down by the football professionals. The squad is bigger than bristol city's,its too big even allowing for changes in the loan system. Bristol city have youth players playing starring roles in leagues 1/2/non league and non league south... We have first team squad players bought on the cheap that can’t get in league 2 games?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 21, 2019 12:13:17 GMT
And the only player that actually took the ball out from a defence and attacked players is now gone, so its quite obvious the tactics were to just dump it from the back to the front because there's no one in the midfield who has any ability to run at players because there just not up to the standard, ill even say that I believe Broadbent was better than 10 of the players that played against Wycombe. James Clarke now left the club then ?
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Post by paulpirate on Jan 21, 2019 12:14:28 GMT
And the only player that actually took the ball out from a defence and attacked players is now gone, so its quite obvious the tactics were to just dump it from the back to the front because there's no one in the midfield who has any ability to run at players because there just not up to the standard, ill even say that I believe Broadbent was better than 10 of the players that played against Wycombe. James Clarke now left the club then ? 10k ?
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 21, 2019 12:18:33 GMT
IMO it may well be that Saturdays defeat or should I say the nature of the defeat could prove to be a blessing in disguise to our chances of avoiding relegation because had we either won Saturday or played very well and unfortunately lost then both Manager and Board could have looked at it and decided that signings were not necessary and that the present squad was good enough to keep us up. Now after the nature of the defeat where we were absolutely awful and on the back of the draw at Accrington and the draw at home to Burton neither of which we were particularly good surely the Owners and the Manager will both be alarmed and want to ensure that we are good enough to face the months ahead? You would certainly hope that the Owners have looked at the finances and realised that sometime as an owner you have to speculate to accumulate and this time has now been reached. The cost of relegation will be phenomenal even compared to last time we were relegated as we fans will not be as forgiving this time if our forward trend is halted and we head back to stage 1. That has been shown this season with failure to make adequate signings by DC has resulted in crowds that are around 2000 down on last season and the reason is not only the results but also down to fans seeing doubting both the intentions and the integrity of the owners. Failure to allow three or even four signings to be made now and particularly strikers with a goalscoring record will not be forgiven by fans who have watched the most pathetic striking record I can remember in 50 odd years of watching. I can understand the position that GC is in he is not going to go down the road of criticising the Board - he doesn't need to as it will be clear now for all to see. It is also clear that DC was as much to blame for the problems we now face by signing too many players of limited or should I say the same ability as those we had. We certainly are not short of players but we are short of players who can actually make a difference .It actually embarrassed me Saturday when Akinfenwa came on and we see his lack of fitness and huge figure and yet it is almost certain that he would have done a better job than all our forwards put together this season and together would also have probably brought more out of the strikers we have. It is clear for everybody to see that we need at least three players all of whom have at least League 1 pedigree and are better than what we have and that is not going to come cheap. The tall striker who leads the attack is the absolute priority particularly if GC is going to persevere with the kick and rush which is probably the only "style" we can play with our back four the way they are. We are playing this style without the tools to actually accomplish it!! Payne is suffering the main buck of the fans but is he really to blame . Has he ever been the out and out leader of the attack? I don't think so and am sure that we have not seen anywhere near the best from him. We needed in the summer a Devante Cole or a Tom Eaves , it was clear then and even clearer now. we present no threat in the air whatsoever to any team in this division and teams know that if they have a huge centre half we have no way of competing at either end of the pitch. I see two strikers,a left midfielder and possibly another central midfielder as essential or I fear we will be way adrift of safety by mid to end of February certainly based on the last two home games. Now we will all find out just what the ambition of our owners is. I fear that they are going to be found wanting and it is not a nice thought! The defeat Saturday proved a point but can only be a blessing in disguise if it spurs the owners and Manager into action. Absolutely not. The league table shows we cannot afford to lose games, especially at home. If this board had any idea of what was going on then the alarm bells should have gone off in September. We have known for a while that many individuals in this squad have not been and are not good enough for this level. We didn't need a defeat, to Wycombe of all people to find that out. The reason we are in the position we are in is because of the continual sales of our best players and the lack of reinvestment in of players of similar quality. Cogs should have had the brief to go and get 3 or 4 players immediately to freshen the squad up, give us some strength and depth, make the existing players here fight for their place a bit more and then worry about the "outs" towards the end of the window. All this one in one out is what will cost us. We are the Ipswich of L1 right now. Full of players good enough only for the league below with the exception of one or two and if those players are missing/also have an off day that the rest of the team does not perform. We should be out getting in regular L1 starters.
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